"I will never directly or indirectly, by means of a nod, or of a word, by writing, or in any other way, and under whatever type of pretext, even for the most urgent and most serious cause (even) for the purpose of a greater good, commit anything against this fidelity to the secret, unless a...dispensation has been expressly given to me by the Supreme Pontiff."
realitykeeper wrote: » Perhaps if that was the intention and not the consequence of a disorganized priority list.
"Frankly I don't believe that this is a resigning matter," said Cardinal Brady. "I insist again I did act and acted effectively in that inquiry to produce the grounds for removing Fr Smyth from ministry." But Smyth was largely shielded from this sanction by the Abbot of Kilnacrott and continued to molest children in Belfast and in American dioceses until he was finally jailed in the mid-1990s and died behind bars. Just three months ago, the cardinal stated he would resign if he felt his failure to act had allowed children to be abused. The cardinal said he was not the designated person to report Smyth to authorities back in the 1970s. Colm O'Gorman, who founded support group One in Four, said the cardinal was deeply personally implicated in the gross failures of the Catholic Church in the management of Smyth and stressed he must resign. "They carried out an investigation, they interviewed the child victims of this priestly rapist, Sean Brady determined in his own mind that these children were telling the truth and he then simply passed the information up the line and did nothing," said Mr O'Gorman."For another 18 years, as Sean Brady rose through the ranks in the Catholic Church hierarchy, Brendan Smyth continued to rape and abuse children."
One of the teenagers, Brendan Boland, had been abused for two years. He told the inquiry about the other young victim, who was then interviewed alone. His parents were never informed. Mr Boland also gave the inquiry, comprised of three clerics, the names and addresses of five other children at serious risk from Smyth. A BBC documentary in 2012, The Shame of the Catholic Church, tracked those children down. Their parents were never informed. They were never warned. No one was. The consequence of this inaction was that two of those children continued to be abused by that monster for years. Smyth also began abusing one boy’s little sister and two of his cousins. The family was destroyed.
Cardinal Brady has defended his actions, saying his inquiry recommended Smyth’s removal from priestly duty, but this didn’t happen. Instead, Smyth was given carte blanche to abuse children, on two continents, for another two decades. One of his US victims, lawyer Helen McGonigle, was aged six when Smyth raped and sodomised her. He also abused her sister, Kathleen. She committed suicide in 2005, unable to live any longer with what she had suffered. Throughout all of those years, the 20 years that Smyth was free to defile countless children, and his subsequent arrest and imprisonment, Cardinal Brady never breathed a word of what he knew. He kept silent.
realitykeeper wrote: » You are a holocaust perpetrator. Just because the slaughter of good Catholics in the street has not started yet does not nullify this stage of the life cycle of the wickedness which is beginning to unfold. The night of the long knives was the beginning of the holocaust and all because Hitler worked people up into a frenzy of hatred. Get thee hence Satan!
realitykeeper wrote: » Leroy42 wrote: » No I couldn't. There is no Plumber cult that actively seeks to cover up the crimes of its members. Or accountants, or kitchen porters. Just to be sure, you are aware that this is not simply because priests raped and buggered and abused children. You do understand that the CC hierarchy actively went out to cover up the crimes? Whilst of course the likes of Brendan Smyth are terrible, in isolation they are terrible events that the person must be held accountable. But it involved way more than that. Across the world, the CC sought to cover up, silence the victims, degrade the victims, move priests around, not tell new parishes what was coming to them etc etc etc. One does not need to belong to an organization in order to abuse children. A lot of priests and lay Catholics are good people who find the notion of child abuse abhorrent. Trying to label the entire Catholic Church as a pedophile ring is no different to Hitler writing Mein Kampf or Hutus going on the radio and calling Tutsis cockroaches. Such behaviour is motivated by hate and the devil is at the core of that hatred.
Leroy42 wrote: » No I couldn't. There is no Plumber cult that actively seeks to cover up the crimes of its members. Or accountants, or kitchen porters. Just to be sure, you are aware that this is not simply because priests raped and buggered and abused children. You do understand that the CC hierarchy actively went out to cover up the crimes? Whilst of course the likes of Brendan Smyth are terrible, in isolation they are terrible events that the person must be held accountable. But it involved way more than that. Across the world, the CC sought to cover up, silence the victims, degrade the victims, move priests around, not tell new parishes what was coming to them etc etc etc.
realitykeeper wrote: » work wrote: » None of these allegations ring true. Would you ever $#@k ¥₩f, sorry for cursing but I am appalled. What planet do you live on. You are a holocoust denier because that is what this is. You are one evil person. You are a holocaust perpetrator. Just because the slaughter of good Catholics in the street has not started yet does not nullify this stage of the life cycle of the wickedness which is beginning to unfold. The night of the long knives was the beginning of the holocaust and all because Hitler worked people up into a frenzy of hatred. Get thee hence Satan!
work wrote: » None of these allegations ring true. Would you ever $#@k ¥₩f, sorry for cursing but I am appalled. What planet do you live on. You are a holocoust denier because that is what this is. You are one evil person.
Water John wrote: » Very good article in today's Irish Examiner by Fergus Finlay as to why he'll be at the Garden of Rememberance.https://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/columnists/fergus-finlay/instead-of-cheering-pope-in-phoenix-park-we-should-stand-with-peggy-473160.html This docu was on last Sat. My wife heard it in the car and switched it on in the house when she got home. People should note that people were not always cowed but challenged this Canon and broke into their church. The woman at the centre of this is still alive in a nursing home.
Not once in either of their lives did Peggy or Breda McCarthy do anything to warrant the shame heaped on them. The abuse they suffered may not have had the character of the physical, sexual and emotional abuse heaped on others.
realitykeeper wrote: » And that`s another thing, if I were a victim of rape or whatever, I would go tell the Gardaí. None of these allegations ring true and the utter prejudice displayed against the clergy by all levels of society reinforce the perception that this is a witch hunt.
realitykeeper wrote: » Fact is all well and good provided it is not twisted, distorted, contorted, magnified, misplaced, manipulated, selective, misrepresented or otherwise misconstrued. I have no doubt there are elements of truth here and there in Mein Kampf, but did that book represent truth and fact on a reasonable and unbiased basis? Hardly. The term witch hunt is a commonly used phrase these days but it hardly ever pertains to a witch hunt literally. If every expression were literal, there would be a lot more people literally opening cans of worms, either that or everyone would speak like a robot.
Nixonbot wrote: » Yeah, we won't be hearing from you for a while. Disgusting post.
Cabaal wrote: » Sigh...... Good job, You've godwinned your argument, in the most silly, conspiracy, church protecting way. Pretty pathetic. Nobody but the church has manipulated anything. The Vatican has for decades documented the abuses it covered up and created rules on how to cover up. Then what it happened they acted shocked. They still act shocked to the news in America last week. But they've known, they've always known. Their priority was protecting the church and it still is. This is a fact, unless you want to deny it?
Nixonbot wrote: » He's been banned :P
ohnonotgmail wrote: » from the thread or for good?
PopePalpatine wrote: » Here's a reminder kids, never cut your crack with communion wafers.
Taytoland wrote: » The stories keep coming out and yet you keep sending your kids to Catholic schools. More fool on you.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » Taytoland wrote: » The stories keep coming out and yet you keep sending your kids to Catholic schools. More fool on you. Most people dont have a choice. the only schools in some areas are catholic schools.
Taytoland wrote: » So the Catholic Church has a firm grip on the Irish state then, OK. Keep being told they don't.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » You seem to be arguing against a position that nobody holds.
