quintana76 wrote: » Suggesting we protest against the Pope as our clown of a Taoiseach visits a Muslim Brotherhood mosque for a photo shoot. There is no hope.
Irish Kings wrote: » Those who are now in authority in the state are not pro Catholic Church, so why not a single arrest for questioning, or warrant issued for searching their files in recent years, never mind a trial or conviction for the bishops that covered up these crimes in Ireland ? Most of these Bishops are still alive and well. The state is on the only body in Ireland that can obtain and administer justice for the victims of these crimes and cover ups, so why are the state authorities still refusing to do so and getting away with it, along with the bishops responsible ?
Rivka Flat Handgun wrote: » Why is no one calling for the heads of the Gardai and political figures who knew about the abuse and covered it up?
Sycamore Tree wrote: » From all accounts this Pennsylvania report is quite disturbing even for those of us accustomed to shocking child abuse reports. The sexual abuse dates back from 1947 and the report names 300 predator priests abusing over 1000 children. You already get the impression that the Americans will take a no nonsense approach when dealing with the Roman organisation even though it also highlights the flaws in their statute of limitations.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » Did you see my post which mentioned statute of limitations, and that covering up child abuse has not always been a crime?
Irish Kings wrote: » So no other crimes were committed and no other laws were broken when they conspired to pervert the course of justice and concealed criminal activity ? Absolute Rubbish. It's always been a crime to conceal any crime, and yet the state is doing nothing. Who else is supposed to question, trial, convict and sentence these people and enact justice if it's not the state ? These flimsy Church and / or State apologist's excuses are rubbish.
Fighting Tao wrote: » The state has been held accountable and is paying victims for various crimes. The state has changed over the years and learned from the interactions with the RCC.
Irish Kings wrote: » Rubbish. With all the new evidence coming to light year after year How many bishops / former bishops that concealed criminal activity and attempted to pervert the course of justice have been questioned under caution so far by the state ? How many warrants to search their files and offices been issued by the state ? How many files for attempting to pervert the course of justice been sent to the DPP by the Gardai ? How many bishops / former bishops have been take to court and trialed for attempting to conceal criminal activity and pervert the course of justice ? To do so was ALWAYS and EVER HAS BEEN against the law.
Fighting Tao wrote: » Maybe i should clarify. The state has learned about the protection of children and changed procedures and practices. The church has not. Maybe you don’t agree with the protection of children!
Irish Kings wrote: » And tell us how you propose to protect Children when the state refuses to enforce the law or prosecute the people who conspired to cover up criminal activity and pervert the course of justice ?
Fighting Tao wrote: » I don't think you understand what is meant by change. The state changed procedures and processes to safeguard children. The church have done nothing. Are you implying that the state is currently raping children?
Fighting Tao wrote: » Are you implying that the state is currently raping children?
Irish Kings wrote: » So no crime was commited when these bishops conspired to pervert the course of justice ? yeah right. When was it not a crime to pervert the coursed of justice and conceal a crime ? Don't be an idiot. Tell us though how though do you propose to prevent people from perverting the course of justice and covering up child rape if the state continually refuses to investigate those responsible for doing exactly that, never mind prosecute them ?
Irish Kings wrote: » Rubbish. Neither the state or the Church management has. With all the new evidence coming to light year after year : How many bishops / former bishops that concealed criminal activity and attempted to pervert the course of justice have been questioned under caution so far by the state ? How many warrants to search their files and offices have been issued by the state ? How many files for attempting to pervert the course of justice been sent to the DPP by the Gardai ? How many bishops / former bishops have been take to court and trialed for attempting to conceal criminal activity and pervert the course of justice ? To do so was ALWAYS and EVER HAS BEEN against Irish law.
An_Toirpin wrote: » There is no sitting bishop that covered up anyway in Ireland in this country.
Water John wrote: » Aren't you very careful with your wording in the last sentence; 'There is no sitting bishop that covered up anyway in Ireland in this country.' Quote. Does this cover retired bishops or bishops no longer in this country?
An_Toirpin wrote: » Well I would presume that person is more interested in going after active bishops. Maybe they mean Seán Brady but is there really a case? Any lawyers here on the thread?
Seth Brundle wrote: » Are you looking to see if they broke the law or failed to let the law investigate any case. Sean Brady was a crucial part of a RCC cover up (despite his claims to be a lowly priest). Sean Brady failed to tell the RUC about Smyth. Sean Brady failed to tell the parents about Smyth. Sean Brady allowed Smyth's evil acts continue uninterrupted.
An_Toirpin wrote: » But could actually convict someone for that? The Gardaí knew of Brendan Smyth's abuse since the 1970s. Are you going to convict them too?
Water John wrote: » Where is Bishop McGee nowadays?
Irish Kings wrote: » Since when was conspiring to pervert the course of justice not a crime ? Since when were people not prosecuted for this ? Why are the state authorities refusing to uphold the criminal justice system and enforce law of the land ?
