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gormdubhgorm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Well I never watched that show...but I might now.

I assume homeboy in the picture also wrote and produced the show? :pac:

I never thought was this but Kevin James (the guy in the photo) was an executive producer

scamalert

Im all for seeing post BB events and like the show but at the same time its so slow going that makes it really hard to watch.

As my comment that it might be over was because in BB first appearance of Saul when his secretary leaves after they close, he makes comment about giving her a lift

before taken into RW, so id imagine kim has to be distant past for him to drop that low.

im all for having Nacho somehow survive as he is the one of more interesting characters, i know someone posted he was not up to role, but he definitely has talent for his character, but seeing last episode not sure how he pulls out of it alive.

rubadub

scamalert wrote: »

but seeing last episode not sure how he pulls out of it alive.

Maybe his hoover broke down

scamalert

rubadub wrote: »

Maybe his hoover broke down

Nice one, hoover guy still has to come into play, for that extra emergency exit, also knowing hes not cheap maybe Gus lets him off easy to setup his own operation to make cash, before Tuco comes back into play.

RobbingBandit

I think Kim would be his final shred of humanity gone but death isn't really required Kim knows Jimmy is a con man she knows the debts to his depravity but given her ties to HHM and her moral compass when not if she finds out even part of what Jimmy did to Chuck it will have her turn on Jimmy. Losing Kim but her still being alive would be worse than her death. The connection they share is broad spectrum but she will always respect and value the law over that.

steve_r

I think it's very interesting that Gene is watching the Saul adverts.
I think we can divide his life into "Jimmy" and "Saul".

If he is looking back fondly on that part of his life, it might be the case that something awful happened with himself and Kim in the end and he doesn't want to look back on the Jimmy days.

Just showing Gene watching the videos is such a clever way of making us think about these things. Other shows would bang us over the head with it. I love how they tell the story.

Hector Savage

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I personally prefer:

Is that Wendy the prostitute from BB ?

BandMember wrote: »

I'm just going to throw this out there.....

Who says that Kim "has to be" written out before next season? What is the reasoning for this line of thinking?

Could she not remain in the picture in terms of Jimmy's/Saul's personal life but not in his business life? I mean, there was absolutely no reference or mention of Saul's personal life in Breaking Bad, so there's no reason or evidence to say that Kim wasn't in it.

She could just as easily have married Jimmy as broken up with him. While she may have her suspicions about his methods or disapproved of them (and we've seen glimpses of this so far e.g. her reluctance to open up the law office with him, his methods of dealing with the Mace Verdi case etc.), she could have just kept their business and personal lives separate because of this.

There was also plenty of characters in either show that weren't even mentioned in the other one, she could easily be one of those.

Now. Let ye wreck your heads thinking about that for the weekend! :pac:

There was a bit, he referenced ladies from Thailand and the Czech republic like he was a single guy and had a taste for those ladies ... but you're right, not direct evidence of Kims absense - but can't see her in the BB timeline or after - don't think she will die though, she probably will get some great offer in New York or somewhere far off - outside BB universe

- at least I hope so, she doesn't deserve any badness.

FrancieBrady

Hector Savage wrote: »

Is that Wendy the prostitute from BB ?

There was a bit, he referenced ladies from Thailand and the Czech republic like he was a single guy and had a taste for those ladies ... but you're right, not direct evidence of Kims absense - but can't see her in the BB timeline or after - don't think she will die though, she probably will get some great offer in New York or somewhere far off - outside BB universe - at least I hope so, she doesn't deserve any badness.

Could Jimmy/Saul be on his way to Kim (in her new life) after Breaking Bad?

i see a whole new series!

rubadub

Hector Savage wrote: »

Is that Wendy the prostitute from BB ?
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Yep, I thought everyone knows its wendy/windy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQyw2-1Ic6U

Hector Savage wrote: »

There was a bit, he referenced ladies from Thailand and the Czech republic like he was a single guy and had a taste for those ladies ... but you're right, not direct evidence of Kims absense

They might not follow every single thing he said in BB. I wonder if they have contradicted any stuff he said yet. I also wonder if the writers are now kicking themselves about some throwaway lines/stories for Saul in BB which they now have to try to stick to.

In "the big bang theory" the character sheldon would be talking about his youth all the time, but pretty sure they do not always follow those "facts" on the prequel show "young sheldon", but as its a comedy they can get away with it more.

leggo

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Could Jimmy/Saul be on his way to Kim (in her new life) after Breaking Bad?

i see a whole new series!

That just blew my mind...you might be onto something there! My mind is racing now: like what if he's on his way to her BUT it's to kill her or something dark because of whatever it is that caused them to not be involved anymore?

The past few days I've been playing with the idea that Kim turns out to be the bad guy in their relationship and that 'breaks' Jimmy and causes him to go full Saul. We expect it to be him crossing a line and her walking away but what if it's the other way? Sleeping with Howard or something is too melodramatic and beneath the show, but something in that direction. It'd be tragic and powerful for us to know that Saul never needed to exist and that Jimmy could've been a happy, decent human but the people around him that were supposed to have his back let him down so he just said "**** it..." and gave into his worst instincts.

Snake Plisken

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Could Jimmy/Saul be on his way to Kim (in her new life) after Breaking Bad?

i see a whole new series!

That would be a great way to round of the series where Jimmy finds Kim and they live happily ever after (under new identities)

I do think there is a great chemistry between them but I get the impression Jimmy thinks he is not good enough for Kim, but Kim really loves Jimmy just look how she attacked Howard in Las weeks episode!

gormdubhgorm

Snake Plisken wrote: »

That would be a great way to round of the series where Jimmy finds Kim and they live happily ever after (under new identities)

Viktor and Gisele St. Clair....

johnpatrick81

Well now! Things escalated quickly there eh.

Really starting to tie everything together and we can start to see everything suddenly pan out, and Breaking Bad all of a sudden seems right around the corner.

Wonder did Gayle ever mention how long we was working solo for Fring in BB?

Kim coming to the realisation that she has "outgrown" Jimmy was touching. The scale of the Mesa Verda operation hit home, and I guess she knew at that moment she has to cut Jimmy out.

That being his last tie to the "good side" would mean he can fall head first into the dark side.

I kinda can't wait for it all to be over so I can watch it and BB back to back, but at the same time I hope they drag the arse out of it for another season or 2 :pac:

It's really picking up this year that's for sure.

Kevwoody

Chucks letter to Jimmy was unexpected! In it, Chuck says he is proud that Jimmy will carry on the family name. I wonder is this another reason for the change to Saul?

BandMember

FFS lads - spoilers!! :rolleyes:

Some of us haven't had the chance to catch up on this week's episode yet, but we all hope to rectify that situation shortly.....

take everything

Great episode.
Possible spoilers below.

That ending.
Kim tearing up and Jimmy/Saul not giving a ****.
Was really affecting. Reminds me of personal sibling stuff I have with a sister.

The thing is he can write a nice letter but he never expressed that or showed it once to Jimmy.

She's gone.

Couple of things.
That great scene with Kim looking at the models. Reminded me of the film Music of Chance. Mirrored the symbolic figurine storyline nicely.

One more thing: were audio books a thing back then. The Steven Covey audiobook. I have that, ha.
Incredible episode imo.

johnpatrick81

BandMember wrote: »

FFS lads - spoilers!! :rolleyes:

Some of us haven't had the chance to catch up on this week's episode yet, but we all hope to rectify that situation shortly.....

So ummmm don’t read the thread til after you do?

BandMember

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

So ummmm don’t read the thread til after you do?

It's grand, it was meant in jest - just didn't come across that well....

satguy

I don't think that's what the letter said.

1. Jimmy made it up as he read it out ... (on the fence on this one)
2. Kim rewrote that letter herself ... (most likely)

Just my thoughts ..

Unearthly

Saw it mentioned elsewhere as I didn't pick up on it myself but the guy Saul used was a guy called Ira, he owned Vamonos Pest, the company in breaking bad that Walt etc used as a front and where Todd came from.

SimonTemplar

Haha, I love the crazy theories on Reddit. I see some people saying that Kim ends up being Wendy in BB

scamalert

what an episode, loved how they disguised the dead guy, nacho in some deep crap,

sort of expected for mike to say no to the deal as hes in the money now so wouldn't take silly risks.

Kim was the best at Vesa merde when looking down on models it felt sort of like she was in a church or smth after chuck was mentioned. Jimmy took it without any emotion which is odd as words written would been probably all the ones he used to tell chuck

. Definitely step up from previous seasons in action an intensity.Show that keeps on giving like how someone identified who was the guy to help jimmy, as before seeing the figure thought it will be Hugo

gormdubhgorm

The bit where Mike refused the job was that because there was no real reason to it -' Did the guy do you some wrong?'
The way I took it Mike could see Jimmy was going through a crisis because of his brother dying 'sorry about your brother' etc.

Or am I reading too much into it?
Also the letter part - did Jimmy ever tell Kim what Chuck said to him in thier final conversation?
I doubt he did because Kim would not have reacted like she did.

The best part of this episode for me was the opening scene. I had no clue what was going on initially and gradually copped on. Very well done it was like a visual jigsaw.

Jack Moore

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The on screen relationship reminds me of that Sitcom King of Queens

It requires a certain suspension of disbelief.

Have you seen Kevin James’ real wife?

Dyr

Dem Boots :eek:

RobbingBandit

He rewrote that letter I'd bet my busted left kidney that was way too noble to be a piss on you from beyond the grave that or he just bull****ted the hell out of Kim.

gormdubhgorm

Jack Moore wrote: »

Have you seen Kevin James’ real wife?

Jayus... did a quick search Steffiana De La Cruz.

Makes the Jimmy/Kim thing very believable all of a sudden!

SimonTemplar

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Jayus... did a quick search Steffiana De La Cruz.

Makes the Jimmy/Kim thing very believable all of a sudden!

Well I'm sure Kevin James being a multimillionaire has nothing to do with it.

noodler

Didn't quite get that Kim was "gone" as a result of that ep?

One or two posters alluded to it.

Because she reacted differently to the letter?

I also echo previous posts that she rewrote it he rewrote it or he bluffed it.

And yes, tied up quite a few things to BB being around the corner. Only now realising that gus wants to buy local, to piss of salamancas.

Edit : and sorry about this but I'm utterly fascinated with the start of the previous ep where the Gus Doc is checking up on Hector. Can't understand what he is doing with the flashlight pen?? Anyone?? Is it just checking circulation?