LoughNeagh2017 wrote: » Hurling isn't a sport that will grow on this island, all these football parishes won't start hurling clubs, why would you risk injuries? Hurling will never have strength in Ulster any time soon. I've only ever been to one hurling game in my life, Armagh v Roscommon in 2007, I've never seen my county play hurling. The only places where it seems to be growing is Derry city because I suppose people encourage the children to play the most "Irish" game, the Derry team have a few players from Derry city which is rare on the football side of things.
I says wrote: » Because they are the best in it,and a system at a time when fewer matches would win you an all Ireland. With the latest changes in the hurling scene with Galway into Leinster since 09 and the new league format for the provincial finals and AI series you will still have the big three winning it but I think a lot more teams can win it now with this format.
Davys Fits wrote: » Interesting post. I always suspected that hurling would be a hard sell to ulster and connaught where football has bedded in. It certainly will take decades for that to change if ever. However Dublin and the greater Dublin counties is another story and there is huge potential here. Hurling spreads very slowly. I think the roll of honor proves that. But it is growing.
ProudDUB wrote: » Unfortunately hurling will always be a hard sell in Dublin too, despite the recent success in 2011 & 2013. The footballers will always be the bigger draw and talented dual athletes (Diarmuid Connolly, Cormac Costello, Ciaran Kilkenny, Con O'Callaghan for example) will continue to pick football, if that is where their heart lies, or they want to have a decent chance of winning silverware.
BloodyBill wrote: » Plus they are single sport counties more or less. Cork have half a million people. Tipp 150,000 but noted athletes always and great temperament. Kilkenny are well Kilkenny. When cricket was huge they were the best at that aswell. Limerick always had the rugby since the late 1800s and the hard luck stories and weight of Mick Mackey and the first superstar GAA team just was too much for so long. Everyone else like Wexford.. Clare and Waterford and Dublin...well more reasons or excuses I'm sure...Limericks 1 yesterday was worth some amount.
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » Lack of competition in football too as Kerry and Dublin have won the most by miles
Niles Crane wrote: » Spread of counties is much bigger in football. The last new hurling winner were Offaly in 1981. Since then 4 different first time football winners have emerged. Add to that the number of teams who haven't won all ireland but have been genuinely competitive by getting to all ireland semi/quarter finals at various stages and the spread is much bigger in football.
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » Spread is little better but it's not huge. 19 Teams have won a Football AI 13 in Hurling. Ulster and Connaught teams had teams decades without winning AIs
Niles Crane wrote: Yeah but outside of the winning look at the spread of teams who get to All Ireland quarter finals and onwards for the last 25 years and pretty much for all of hurling's history it's been the same 10 counties that play against each other over and over again.
Niles Crane wrote: Since the qualifiers were introduced on 2001 All the counties in Connacht apart from Leitrim have got to an all ireland quarter final (Leitrim go to a semi final in 1994) 5 of the 6 counties in Munster have got to an all Ireland quarter final. All counties in Ulster apart from Antrim 6 counties in Leinster (Offaly got to a semi final in 1997)
Niles Crane wrote: Over a 20/25 year period 75% - 80% of counties will get to an all ireland quarter finals in football whereas the teams in the quarter finals onwards in hurling are the same 10 counties over and over again.
salmocab wrote: » Your probably right but there are counties that can get up there, Wexford Dublin and Offaly seem like they could get to the top for various reasons, they all have hurling tradition of some description. Geographically it’s unlikely to spread much though. Just to be clear when I say to the top I’m not suggesting winning AIs anytime soon but competing higher than they are and maybe eventually competing for AIs in real terms.
C__MC wrote: I dont think you'll see the big 3 dominate any time soon- the odd one here and there
arctictree wrote: » Hurling in the greater Dublin region is growing well. Kildare and Meath are getting slowly more competitive and Wicklow should be back to 8 senior teams in a couple of years. Lots of work being done at juvenile level.
Sonny678 wrote: » The sucess in both codes is dominated by a couple of counties. Most counties are starved of provincial and All Ireland sucess in both codes. A handful of counties in both codes have had consistent sucess over the decades. There isnt a big gap in unsucessful counties between hurling and football as people think. In hurling in terms of provincial and All Ireland sucess , the sucessful counties over the decades have been kilkenny Cork Tipperary Galway Wexford Limerick Clare and Waterford ( With Tipp Cork and kilkenny really being sucessful consistently over the decades since Independence in 1920s). In football the sucessful counties consistently over decades haves been Kerry Dublin Galway Meath Cork Down Tyrone and Mayo( With Kerry Dublin Galway Meath and Cork really being sucesful consistently sucessful over the decades since Independence). But in football there are strong football counties with great tradition great club great supporters but lack as much sucess as most of hurling counties. Munster limerick have not won Munster senior title or an All Ireland senior football title in 120 year. limerick have never won national league div 1 title Clare have never won a football All Ireland senior title and have won 1 Munster senior football title in 90 years. Clare have never won national league div 1 title Tippearey havent won a Munster senior football title in over 80 years. Tipp have never won national league div 1 title Waterford have never won Football All Ireland senior title or national league div 1 title. And Waterford havent won Munster senior football title in 120 years. Connacht Sligo have never won All Ireland football senior title or reached a final and have won 2 Connacht titles in 90 years and never won national league div 1 title Leitrim have never won All Ireland senior title or reached a final or national league div 1 title. Leitrim have won 2 Connacht titles in 120 years. Roscommon havent won All Ireland senior football title in over 70 years. Roscommon have reached 1 All Ireland football senior final in 55 years. Mayo havent won an All Ireland football senior title in over 70 years Ulster Monaghan have never won an All Ireland senior football title and reached 1 final in over 90 years ago Antrim have never won an All Ireland senior title and havent won Ulster senior football title in over 70 years Cavan havent won All Ireland senior football title or reached a final in over 70 years. Cavan have won 1 Ulster football senior title in 50 years Fermanagh have never won an Ulster senior title leinster Wexford have not won a football All Ireland senior title in 100 years and not won national league division 1 final and havent won a leinster senior title in 70 years Carlow have never won an All Ireland senior football title or national league div 1 title and havent won a leinster football senior title in over 70 years Wicklow have never won Leinster senior football title Westmeath have never won All Ireland senior football title or reached a final or won national league division 1 final. Westmeath have won 1 leinater football senior title in 100 years Laois have never won an All Ireland senior football title and have won 1 leinster football title in 60 years. Kildare havent won All Ireland football senior title in 90 years and reached 1 All Ireland football final in 90 years. kildare have never won a national league div 1 title and have won 2 leinster senior football titles in 60 years longford have never won an All Ireland senior title or reached a final. longford have won 1 leinster title in 120 years Louth havent won All Ireland senior title or leinster in over 60 years. louth have never won national league div 1 title Thats 21 counties out of 32 that have been starved of All Ireland sucess and most of them have been starved of provicial sucess over all in football. A handful of hurling counties have dominated hurling. A handful of football counties have dominated football.
Niles Crane wrote: But again, those counties have had relative degrees of success i.e getting to AI quarter finals, the difference is the same 10 teams are rotating constantly in the quarter finals in hurling whereas in football there is always a surprise team every now and then and basically every county has some hope of getting far in the championship which is not the case in hurling.
Sonny678 wrote: » Reaching quarter finals is not real sucess. Winning trophies and competitions in any sport is the true measurement of sucess. And when you compare both codes a handful of teams have dominated. Look at this In the last 100 years in hurling 3 counties have won 71 of the All Irelands eg Kilkenny Cork and Tipp In the last 100 years in football 6 counties have won 74 of the All Irelands eg Kerry Dublin Galway Meath Cork and Down. So in 100 years in hurling where you have maybe 10 to 11 hurling counties, 3 counties have won over 70% of the All Irelands. While in 100 years in football where you have 32 counties, 6 counties have won over 70% of the All Irelands. People seem to think hurling is dominated by a few counties. Football has also. Ulster teams sucess in the last 25 years with first wins for Derry Donegal Tyrone and Armagh and a sucessful period in leinster football between 95 to 04 when Meath Dublin kildare Offaly Laois and Westmeath winning leinster, gives a false imprsssion of many counties having broad sucess. The fact is outside Ulster many counties have been starved of sucess for decades. Even in Ulster Cavan and Antrim , the aristocrats of Ulster football have been in the doldrums for 70 plus years. While Connacht has only won 2 All Irelands in over half century of footballWhile take out kerry and Cork in Munster, the rest of the counties are nearly 100 years from their last real sucess. Clares win in 1992 was the only victory outside the big two in Munster in generations. In leinster take out Dublin and Meath (and Offalys 20 year sucessful period 1961 to 82). The rest of the counties in leinster are starved of all Ireland sucess and have not really being sucessful at provicial level in over 70 plus years. Thats three out of the 4 proviences where only handful of counties have being winning Sam consistently for generations and winning provicial titles consistently.. And up to 1990 Ulster football was way behind leinster and Munster football. Football had had similar enough tends to hurling trends in terms of sucessful counties. In that a handful of counties have dominated both codes.
