Auguste Comte wrote: » Witches, wizards, priests, not much difference really.
realitykeeper wrote: » Since you love the continuous use of the phrase witch hunt, I will repeat it. This witch hunt against the Catholic Church is dangerous.
Hannibal_Smith wrote: » I love the continuous use of the phrase 'witch hunt', as if the Catholic church is some kind of victim being persecuted. What the church did was horrendous. Crimes carried out by priests and covered up by bishops some of whom climbed the ranks to cardinal. It took decades for the truth to finally be spoken and to be listened to. And now there is an attempt to brush it under the carpet and let by gones be by gones. Child sex abuse is too awful to let go that easily. No one wanted these stories to be true, no one wanted it to be as extensive as it was, because that meant at the heart of it was another child who suffered. Not to mention it would mean the system we had dedicated so much time and awe to, was brutally flawed.
Water John wrote: » Very good article in today's Irish Examiner by Fergus Finlay as to why he'll be at the Garden of Rememberance.https://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/columnists/fergus-finlay/instead-of-cheering-pope-in-phoenix-park-we-should-stand-with-peggy-473160.html This docu was on last Sat. My wife heard it in the car and switched it on in the house when she got home. People should note that people were not always cowed but challenged this Canon and broke into their church. The woman at the centre of this is still alive in a nursing home.
work wrote: » Sorry nobody can answer this question easily but I do think it is explainable as due to a combination of reasons: 1) Most in power, legal political rtf, in Ireland were indoctrinated in the CC cult and really struggle to fight it. 2) The Garda are understaffed and dysfunctional with a poor history with whistleblowers. 3) Politicians are mostly looking after themselves and up to this point would have felt there are more votes in supporting the church. This may finally change. When a gay Leo welcomes a homophobic cult leader to the country we really have issues. I can keep going but it is late. You are right to ask and it is disgusting to think people just are not pursued this but the societal deference to the CC and general policing and legal dysfunction is staggering which has allowed no prosecutions.
Sycamore Tree wrote: » A good point on the radio earlier. The church are always apologising for child abuse scandals found by civil investigations but why have the Roman organisation themselves never published an investigation they did themselves to root out child abusers? Any normal organisation would have internal inquiries to uncover rot within their own organisation.
Edgware wrote: » realitykeeper wrote: » The Holy Father should be welcomed. This witch hunt against the Catholic Church is dangerous. If Ireland were to enter a destabilizing period of geopolitics brought on by a great depression, there are people who would blame the Catholic church. My suggestion to Catholics who feel intimidated by these people would be to consider Orthodoxy as it is very close to Catholicism and like the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Churches can reasonably claim to have been founded by Christ. The visit should be extended and become a yearly event
realitykeeper wrote: » The Holy Father should be welcomed. This witch hunt against the Catholic Church is dangerous. If Ireland were to enter a destabilizing period of geopolitics brought on by a great depression, there are people who would blame the Catholic church. My suggestion to Catholics who feel intimidated by these people would be to consider Orthodoxy as it is very close to Catholicism and like the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Churches can reasonably claim to have been founded by Christ.
Irish Kings wrote: » No excuse from criminals prevent the state attempting convictions in any other area of crime, so why not a single attempt by the authorities to convict even one bishop for even one case of attempting to pervert the course of justice ?
volchitsa wrote: » I don't know the answer, but I can think of a number of factors, from "innate social conservatism of TDs" (the mindset that led them to sweat blood over the utterly ineffectual POLDP when public opinion had clearly left them in the dust well before that) to possible collusion within an elite who feel they have more in common with the bishop than with the man, or more particularly, the young woman, in the street. It's like the question of why the Minister for Health intended to gift the new NMH to an order of nuns with a dodgy record in treatment of women and babies, and who were obviously going to refuse to provide abortions whatever the law said. I have no idea why the Min for Health ever imagined that could work - but querying why he did it is not half as important as fixing the problem. I think the same is true here - it's a good question, but there's a risk that it could turn into a "wood for the trees" scenario. If you have evidence that could serve for a court case, why don't you get it served - and let's worry about why nobody else did it first after the case has been won.
P_1 wrote: » I agree but those bastards have used that as an excuse in the past. Ideally 2 referendums should be had. 1 re state law v canon law (and also sharia). Another re seizing church lands as restitution
Irish Kings wrote: » Since when did the Irish authorities claim that it does, and why have they not attempted a single criminal conviction for covering up ? for which there is ample evidence that has been presented by the media and politicians ? Is concealing crime and attempting to pervert the course of justice not a criminal offence any more ?
Irish Kings wrote: » Rubbish. Canon law does not superseded state law, never has, and never will, it has no value outside the Church any more than a golf clubs rules, so I'm not buying your excuse that there should be no criminal convictions for concealing and covering up crime.
P_1 wrote: » The preamble to the constitution could suggest otherwise. Without it being explicitly stated it will always be open to interpretation by judges
lawred2 wrote: » Fairly sure that that's the case without a referendum.
P_1 wrote: » Simple solution. We need it written into our constitution that civil law always takes precedence over canon law. Now that is a referendum worth having
realitykeeper wrote: » The Holy Father should be welcomed. This witch hunt against the Catholic Church is dangerous. If Ireland were to enter a destabilizing period of geopolitics brought on by a great depression, there are people who would blame the Catholic church. My suggestion to Catholics who feel intimidated by by these people would be to consider Orthodoxy as it is very close to Catholicism and like the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Churches can reasonably claim to have been founded by Christ.
bodhrandude wrote: » Did they phone it in.
Taytoland wrote: » The fact that a Priest can't have sex is bizarre. It's human instincts to have sex. Get rid of the stupid rule.
realitykeeper wrote: » The Holy Father should be welcomed. This witch hunt against the Catholic Church is dangerous.
Irish Kings wrote: » That didn't seem to bother them with the bondholder bailout to the tune of billions, and the good old taxpayer always foots the bills. No politician has ever been put on any hook for a state bill.Also the Church can easily be made to pick up the tab, if found guilty in a court of law. So what is going on ? Why not a single arrest for concealing the crimes, never mind a single trial / conviction, nor a single question in the media about why no prosecutions ?
