Malayalam wrote: » Transablism, transagism, transspeciesm, transethnicism (excuse spellings) may be the weird, embarrassing, woo end of things but along with gender studies they contribute as a minority to the debates around identity politics and people in that domain are going to have to do a bit better than yeah, yeah, nothing to do with us when it comes to dealing with the contradictions those identifications pose for you.
LLMMLL wrote: » Right so you ignore the multiple times I’ve highlighted the differences between Otherkin etc. And trans issues (other than to say it’s just my opinion - ok) and now expect us to be embarrassed by the existence of these identities groups? Sorry but that doesn’t hold any water.
Joeytheparrot wrote: » Jaysus. I didnt know there were serious debates in this country about men marrying horses.
Malayalam wrote: » Actually you compared trans species identified people to cross dressers in terms of experience and cross dressers / transvestites are identity groups under the lgbtq umbrella thus using your own logic I don't understand how they would be so different and not come in to identity politics as a group deserving of equal rights
LLMMLL wrote: » I think this is the most whataboutery argument I’ve ever seen.
Wibbs wrote: » If it is then you mustn't get out much. Though I would 100% agree transsexuality is very different to "otherkin" type stuff. The latter is a "fetish" and one that is and can be put on and off at will. Transgender individuals have a brain that's more hardwired towards the opposite gender to their physical and genetic gender. A few studies seem to indicate this. IE male to female Trans folks have more "feminised" brains as it were. There appears to be a subtle sliding scale of "hard" male to female brains. A fault in genetics and in utero hormone exposure levels appears to play a part. In very simple terms they're literally a "woman's brain" trapped in a man's body and vice versa. I don't doubt that with some it's a fetish, or some where they're Gay, but considering the static and hardship coming out as a Transexual attracts IMHO they're by far the minority. Unlike a fetish they can't take it on and off like a coat. With the dressing as a six year old individual, that's a fetish and one that really doesn't need to be around young kids. It would the exact same if it were a middle aged man who dressed as a six year old boy. Indeed I suspect there would be far less "acceptance" from the progressive types if it were(even if it were a middle aged woman). The Trans aspect throws them off what is a well creepy bloody fetish.
LLMMLL wrote: » I don’t think the 6 year old element is a fetish though unless there’s some details I’ve missed.
If you are correct and it is a fetish I would 100% agree that she should not be engaging with a child as part of that fetish. If it’s a non sexual form of stress relief or a way to deal with anxiety then sure it’s very odd but up to the parents whether they allow this woman to play with their child.
“I felt like a woman!” reports Stefonknee of his “adopted dad’s” penis inserted man-on-man into his “six year old girl” rectum at the Oasis swingers club. “I was surprised I didn’t think I was going to be pregnant, I was so much a girl. I actually have an erection right now from it so I’m just going to pull my dress down a little bit,” he told the journalists who were covering his journey to girlhood.
Wibbs wrote: » What else can it be LL? It's either a fetish or a mental illness/condition from what I can see..
Personally I find an adult using a child or children in such a manner as "stress relief" to be more than a bit "odd". For me it's well into the land of Creepyasfuck. Other self deluded "adults" who consider this OK for their child to be around need a word in their shell like. And I'm being kind there. Stress relief is meditation, playing golf, going fishing, knitting, reading a book and so forth. It is not, nor should be foisting oneself as a outwardly presenting middle aged bloke in a dress on small children. If they're in such need of stress relief then visit a qualified psychiatrist(not some "counsellor" who thinks "crystal healing" is a thing) and look to other avenues.
pleas advice wrote: » a blunt quote from a well researched article on the casehttps://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2015/11/29/transwoman-stefonknee-wolscht-lives-life-as-a-six-year-old-girl/
pleas advice wrote: » “I felt like a woman!” reports Stefonknee of his “adopted dad’s” penis inserted man-on-man into his “six year old girl” rectum at the Oasis swingers club. “I was surprised I didn’t think I was going to be pregnant, I was so much a girl. I actually have an erection right now from it so I’m just going to pull my dress down a little bit,” he told the journalists who were covering his journey to girlhood.
LLMMLL wrote: » Fair enough. I’d agree she shouldn’t be playing with kids while engaging in a fetish. Nothing to do with trans people though.
LLMMLL wrote: » Both cis women and trans women should be able to use women’s changing rooms. Basically women should be able to use women’s changing rooms.
fattymuatty wrote: » You didn't answer my question though, what is a woman? What definition are you using when you say women should be able to use womens changing rooms? You are obviously using a different one than the one I know so I am curious what that is?
Omackeral wrote: » The most offensive part about this post isn't Dad's penis going into this one's six year old rectum or that he/she had to hide an erection under the dress. It's the spelling of 'Stefonknee'.
Bootlegger wrote: » A what point is a 'trans woman' allowed into female spaces? After surgery? Or can a man announce he is a woman and demand access to female spaces?
LLMMLL wrote: » A trans woman is a woman and is not a man announcing he’s a woman.
Ulysses Gaze wrote: » What if someone is Gender fluid?
Brian? wrote: » Gender fluid people are not trans.
Gender fluidity is the ability to freely and knowingly become one or many of a limitless number of genders, for any length of time, at any rate of change. Gender fluidity recognizes no borders or rules of gender. —Kate Bornstein, Gender Outlaw: On Men, Women and the Rest of Us, 1994
Ulysses Gaze wrote: » They can identify as a woman and therefore it would be discriminatory to exclude them from women's restrooms. Surely?
Malayalam wrote: » Okay, say I accept wholly your definition of a transwoman as a woman. Fair enough. That definition must include self identifying women who have not pursued any gender affriming hormone treatment or surgery, ie they are a woman but with fully intact primary and secondary sexual characteristics of the male. Do you genuinely see absolutely zero issues with this woman who has fully functioning male genitalia and hormonal profile -sharing rooms with females in battered women refuges -doing their time in women's prison -using showers and changing facilities in ladies and girls changing rooms -sharing space in designated all female dormitories in hostels, boarding schools or hospitals Do you genuinely see no problem?
Bootlegger wrote: » Yoy dogged my question. I'm asking at what point does it become acceptable for a trans woman to use female only spaces? After surgery? During transitioning? Or is no feminie appearance required? I.e. they can just walk in and to everyone else they appear as a man?
LLMMLL wrote: » Depends what you mean by problem. I can imagine some cis men or women being unhappy at sharing their space with a trans person and making problems. That doesn’t change that trans women should be able to use women’s changing rooms and trans men should be able to use men’s.
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