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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

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The seat map for the B767-200 being leased by EI next year are available on the Aer Lingus website, the seating is 2,3,2 in economy (As was suspected) and 2,2,2 in business

There are 189 economy seats and 12 Business seats making a total of the reported 201 seats.

Anyone know whether the B767 will be repainted, partially or entirely, in the EI colours for the 6 months that its leased for?

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billie1b

trellheim wrote: »

which part of it is untrue

Maybe the part about the airbridge is wrong but it was dispatched when it was ‘out of service hours’, I never once said the engineer signed it off ‘willy nilly’, I was just saying that it had it’s line maintenance check before departure. Someone somewhere along the line over looked something, thats all. We are only human, we can all make mistakes

Tenger

Ive cleaned up a few posts with no fault directed at anyone.

We understand that many posters here are airport/airline staff or have airport/airline mates.
Based on my previous experience working out there the rumour mill is very active. (I think its a shift work thing)
This incident can probably be described in different ways based on who is telling the story. Just keep that in mind when declaring others posts factual, untrue or otherwise.
But we all need to be careful about what we post. False info can be picked up by media or the airlines themselves. And if course some info is for internal use only.
Boards.ie does not want to be in a position of being asked for member info by a solicitor.
So stand over your posts and protect yourself.

kevinandrew

Meanwhile...

Had a pleasant enough flight with Aer Lingus this week, just a short hop from Heathrow to Cork but we boarded on time, crew were attentive and exceptionally jolly, we landed early and there just seemed to be a good vibe throughout.

Must say EI-DEM seemed to be in okay condition, seats were fine but there was a little bit of wear and tear visible. The cabins really could do with a proper upgrade, new seats, walls and carpeting.

I know mood lighting is being rolled out and it goes a long way in improving the appearance but a proper investment like what BA have done would really spruce things up.

trellheim

Must say EI-DEM seemed to be in okay condition, seats were fine but there was a little bit of wear and tear visible. The cabins really could do with a proper upgrade, new seats, walls and carpeting.

you dont want a refurb, they will do a Vueling and stick extra rows in, making their 320s really uncomfortable, cos tis all about bums on seats boyo

mx5ire

Speaking of refurbs, does anyone in the know have any idea of if/when the ex Qatar 330 (GEY) is getting its business cabin refitted to current EI specs - i will be on the IAD route a couple of times next month and was just curious. They should be giving discounts for that plane.

goingnowhere

This winter

Tenger

mx5ire wrote: »

Speaking of refurbs, does anyone in the know have any idea of if/when the ex Qatar 330 (GEY) is getting its business cabin refitted to current EI specs - i will be on the IAD route a couple of times next month and was just curious. They should be giving discounts for that plane.

I thought that the main cabin had been refitted to EI standard?
I had seen a few pics on Facebook a few months ago showing green seats in economy but with the purple and cream seats still in Business class?

goingnowhere

Its green down the back, it still has the Qatar business class seats which is not dissimilar to the old EI business seat

tnegun

Flown on GEY 6 times in the last 3 months economy only though and while its an upgrade on the 757 that was on the route previously its not much, no hot water or tepid hot water and soap dispensers that barely work, PA system suffers from serious feedback randomly, the IFE sucks, is unresponsive, takes up space for your feet and uses those twin headphone jacks, the worst is the lack of individual air in the overhead panel. Is it a permanent addition to the fleet or just until the 350's are delivered?
Edit. Also was missing seats on at least 2 of the flights and they're currently using a remote stand in IAD requiring those mobile lounges be used so slows up boarding and disembarking

L1011

tnegun wrote: »

Is it a permanent addition to the fleet or just until the 350's are delivered?

The 350s aren't coming.

tnegun

L1011 wrote: »

The 350s aren't coming.

Yikes I was going on info from cabin crew a few months back what's the plan now?

mx5ire

tnegun wrote: »

Edit. Also was missing seats on at least 2 of the flights and they're currently using a remote stand in IAD requiring those mobile lounges be used so slows up boarding and disembarking

This is kind of where my question earlier was coming from. I am lucky enough to be going at the front, but it still looks like EI planes of 10+ years ago. Also very concerned about that remote stand and those damn mobile lounges - i have a tightish connection there, so between that and EI's current inability to actually fly on time its making me nervous !

tnegun

You should be OK up the front if I remember properly the first lounge pulls up to door 3 I think the one in business but not at the very front if you know what I mean and the second to the rear doors, cabin crew let business board the lounge first. I was last there 2 weeks ago and we landed just about on time after leaving about 30 mins late and having to fly around weather on approach to IAD, the bags were off quick enough I went to the Starbucks got a coffee and my bag was on the belt when I got back.

Locker10a

tnegun wrote: »

Flown on GEY 6 times in the last 3 months economy only though and while its an upgrade on the 757 that was on the route previously its not much, no hot water or tepid hot water and soap dispensers that barely work, PA system suffers from serious feedback randomly, the IFE sucks, is unresponsive, takes up space for your feet and uses those twin headphone jacks, the worst is the lack of individual air in the overhead panel. Is it a permanent addition to the fleet or just until the 350's are delivered?
Edit. Also was missing seats on at least 2 of the flights and they're currently using a remote stand in IAD requiring those mobile lounges be used so slows up boarding and disembarking

Do you mean you can’t have hot tea or coffee? Or the bathroom taps are only tepid ? Is it the old Qatar IFE?

L1011

tnegun wrote: »

Yikes I was going on info from cabin crew a few months back what's the plan now?

330s and A321LRs.

mx5ire

tnegun wrote: »

You should be OK up the front if I remember properly the first lounge pulls up to door 3 I think the one in business but not at the very front if you know what I mean and the second to the rear doors, cabin crew let business board the lounge first. I was last there 2 weeks ago and we landed just about on time after leaving about 30 mins late and having to fly around weather on approach to IAD, the bags were off quick enough I went to the Starbucks got a coffee and my bag was on the belt when I got back.

Thanks for that - i get you on the doors ! As you say - will prob be first off, but where does the mobile lounge actually bring you ? Terminal B or the main terminal building ? I had understood that EI typically went to a terminal B gate (71-79 normally), then i could walk through the terminal for a few mins to the Airtrain, get it via the main terminal building to terminal C, where my United connection is. At least that was the plan !

tnegun

Locker10a wrote: »

Do you mean you can’t have hot tea or coffee? Or the bathroom taps are only tepid ? Is it the old Qatar IFE?

Sorry I meant in the toilets, I like to try wash my face to freshen up before landing but it doesn't work without soap of hot water! I think it's the same make/brand of IFE as was in the 757 that was on this route in January and possibly Boston last October that's when I started taking note of which plane I was on as it was pretty poor.

tnegun

mx5ire wrote: »

Thanks for that - i get you on the doors ! As you say - will prob be first off, but where does the mobile lounge actually bring you ? Terminal B or the main terminal building ? I had understood that EI typically went to a terminal B gate (71-79 normally), then i could walk through the terminal for a few mins to the Airtrain, get it via the main terminal building to terminal C, where my United connection is. At least that was the plan !

I think it was gate B81 right beside the usual gate

Shn99

tnegun wrote: »

Sorry I meant in the toilets, I like to try wash my face to freshen up before landing but it doesn't work without soap of hot water! I think it's the same make/brand of IFE as was in the 757 that was on this route in January and possibly Boston last October that's when I started taking note of which plane I was on as it was pretty poor.

LBR is in a poor state, flew on it from SNN ago JFK last July, won’t be sad to see them go

PaulKK

I see privilege is in again for 138, and 137 seriously delayed today. What's the odds of 137 going on time tomorrow?

California Dreamer

L1011 wrote: »

The 350s aren't coming.

And people STILL don't believe that!!!! :mad::mad:

Tenger

California Dreamer wrote: »

And people STILL don't believe that!!!! :mad::mad:

Well in fairness IAG have given no clarity on this point. Officially the EI order for 9 A350 is still on the books even though EI themselves haven’t referred to that type in 2 years. (Maybe more?). 10 months ago the IAG investor presentation showed that their overall B787/A350 delivery split was still ‘TBD’.
I haven’t looked at their presentation last month so not sure if it’s any clearer.

trellheim

Airbus themselves say 9

As of July https://www.airbus.com/content/dam/corporate-topics/publications/backgrounders/Backgrounder-Airbus-Commercial-Aircraft-A350-XWB-Customers-list-EN.pdf

L1011

Airbus won't delete/rename that order until IAG decide what to do with them but they are not allocated delivery slots. They aren't coming.

john boye

Airbus still listed the VS A380 order for years even though it was common knowledge they were never going to take them.

Karl8415

California Dreamer wrote: »

And people STILL don't believe that!!!! :mad::mad:

Wasn’t it Willie Walsh himself said within the last 12 months that he felt that the A350 was a step too far for EI,in other words the capabilities of it were more than Ei required and I think more so now that the A330-300’s particularly gaj and gcf can reach lax and sfo which gives them 313 seats which is more than they ever had,,my own personal view is should they buy new TA aircraft I think the A330 neo would be more suitable

[Deleted User]

Karl8415 wrote: »

Wasn’t it Willie Walsh himself said within the last 12 months that he felt that the A350 was a step too far for EI,in other words the capabilities of it were more than Ei required and I think more so now that the A330-300’s particularly gaj and gcf can reach lax and sfo which gives them 313 seats which is more than they ever had,,my own personal view is should they buy new TA aircraft I think the A330 neo would be more suitable

WW clearly knows more on this subject than us, I imagine he has every figure available in front of him. But there is elements that I don’t understand. Iberia are using them to fly to JFK from Madrid off long runways. Yet our intention was to use them to fly likely to LAX and SFO off a shorter runway than Madrid where the 359’s capability would have come in to its own. Plus it would have saved nearly 10% on the fuel bill for every flight.

Aer Lingus I doubt would have bought an aircraft without doing their research fully on it and known the 350-900 was the plane for them especially with rising fuel prices.

At some stage EI is going to need new modern aircraft to combat rising fuel prices. At the moment IAG are only providing EI with cast offs from other airlines within the group and share owners castoffs. There is a need for a short haul order and a long haul order. There is an argument for an order for regional jets for Stobart to replace the ATR’s which struggle under full loads of pax and bags on the AM flights. EI had delivery slots originally for the 350’s for this year onwards now we will be years further down the queue for slots when eventually they realise they need them.

My fear is that EI is being run deliberately on a shoe string to maximise the profits and returns for EI hq bods to show proudly to their IAG overlords. We’ve seen it for the last few years how tight the Atlantic operation is being run, yet here we are another summer later with mass cancellations in Shannon and some in Dublin and hire ins. The operation is being run too tight aircraft wise and ground staff wise.

EI love pointing their finger at the DAA for the delays but rarely admit that they can’t meet their own schedules because they are running it too tight causing their own delays. I don’t know what overlap the DAA allow on stands but I can’t imagine the regular running late of an hour on the TA operation is helping their stand allocation plan.

Bussywussy

billie1b wrote: »

trellheim wrote: »

which part of it is untrue

Maybe the part about the airbridge is wrong but it was dispatched when it was ‘out of service hours’, I never once said the engineer signed it off ‘willy nilly’, I was just saying that it had it’s line maintenance check before departure. Someone somewhere along the line over looked something, thats all. We are only human, we can all make mistakes

Not true

duskyjoe

GVHOT, you have it summed up 100% re EIN. Great post

Mebuntu

The hired-in Privilege 763 returned to Madrid yesterday afternoon. It arrived back in DUB at 14.08 this afternoon - per flightradar24.