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Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

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Probably time to open a new thread for the 2018 season?

Silly season is still in full swing as we all know with Williams and Sauber not having confirmed their line ups as yet.

What are people's opinions on the Halo and Alfa Romeo for 2018?

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Charlie-Bravo

This is a wild assumption: Artem Markelov might get loaned out to RB. I know he's Renault, but with the whole Sainz thing going on in the last year, I'd be surprised if somewhere in Sainz's contact that he didn't get to leave so easy, and Renault/McLaren release deal may have something in it. So Gasly to RB, Artem Markelov to TR?! Mega silly stuff I know

skipper_G

Harika wrote: »

Dan Ticktum will have the points after that season. Geleal maybe but if they want to keep it within the family hartley might be safe. Or shock returns of verge

Neither Ticktum or Gelael can qualify for a super licence. Even if Ticktum wins F3 he won't have enough points. And Gelael is 14th in F2, can't get the points he needs down there.

GarIT

kksaints wrote: »

And that's supposing they want to keep Hartley who has been unimpressive this season.

They don't, they have admitted they are even looking for replacements that may be able to start within this season.

Harika

flazio wrote: »

And let's not forget, if Red Bull promote from Toro Rosso that leaves an empty TR seat and do Red Bull have a young driver to come through?

Dan Ticktum will have the points after that season. Geleal maybe but if they want to keep it within the family hartley might be safe. Or shock returns of verge

kksaints

flazio wrote: »

And let's not forget, if Red Bull promote from Toro Rosso that leaves an empty TR seat and do Red Bull have a young driver to come through?

And that's supposing they want to keep Hartley who has been unimpressive this season.

skipper_G

flazio wrote: »

And let's not forget, if Red Bull promote from Toro Rosso that leaves an empty TR seat and do Red Bull have a young driver to come through?

They have no current juniors with a super licence so they have 2 options
1. former Red Bull program drivers (eg; Buemi/Vergne) or
2. current driver from another team (eg; Vandoorne)

I've been having a good think, and there's also an outside bet. Alex Albon is a former Red Bull junior driver, currently 3rd in F2. Previously he's done well in both Formula Renault & GP3 and all he needs for a super licence is a top 5 finish in the F2 championship

flazio

And let's not forget, if Red Bull promote from Toro Rosso that leaves an empty TR seat and do Red Bull have a young driver to come through?

GarIT

astrofluff wrote: »

So a potential for Stroll to go to FI, then Ocon to go to Williams (as in a straight swap)? It'd be such a step down for Ocon, and a huge step up for Stroll. It'd be completely wrong, and a sickly feeling for me knowing talent will be wasted.

There are a few other outside chances.
Perez to RBR, McLaren or HAAS, keeping a seat for Ocon.
If anyone Perez might just lost his seat, Mercedes is involved with the deal to buy FI, they may become Mercedes jr, so they would keep he Mercedes jr driver Ocon.

There are potentially two free seats at TR, if Gasly goes to RBR and they have said they will do anything they can to replace Hartley.

Charlie-Bravo

So a potential for Stroll to go to FI, then Ocon to go to Williams (as in a straight swap)? It'd be such a step down for Ocon, and a huge step up for Stroll. It'd be completely wrong, and a sickly feeling for me knowing talent will be wasted.

Harika

AMKC wrote: »

So where is Esteban Ocon going to end up? Hopefully he gets a drive for next year.
Options being he gets to stay at Force India or moves to either Williams, Sauber or possibly Haas.

Ocon is Mercedes Junior, so FI or Williams. No chance that Mercedes will let his talent go to Ferrari.

AMKC

astrofluff wrote: »

The seats for next year are nicely aligning....

I don't think RedBull will be quick to confirm their next driver to support Max in the senior team. I'd say the Force India Saga is next on everyone's attention.

We also still have yet to find out the new name for the Force India team but I suppose they do not need to announce that until next year sometime so they have time to come up with a new name.

So where is Esteban Ocon going to end up? Hopefully he gets a drive for next year.
Options being he gets to stay at Force India or moves to either Williams, Sauber or possibly Haas.

Harika

mickdw wrote: »

Is Sainz now free of his redbull contract - not just loaned out in some manner?
It looks like a good seat for him.

Yes his contract ends end of the year.

Harika

skipper_G wrote: »

I think it's safe to assume that Red Bull decided against putting him in the senior team, there's not a snowball's chance in hell Sainz turned down a Red Bull seat in favour of a Mclaren one

There are options:
1. $$$ - We all love that
2. Alonso convinced him
3. Fear of Honda performance

mickdw

Is Sainz now free of his redbull contract - not just loaned out in some manner?
It looks like a good seat for him.
Mclaren will hopefully have all the management nonsense sorted for next season and hopefully be reasonable come next rule change.

Charlie-Bravo

The seats for next year are nicely aligning....

I don't think RedBull will be quick to confirm their next driver to support Max in the senior team. I'd say the Force India Saga is next on everyone's attention.

skipper_G

Harika wrote: »

I am now curious what led to this. Was it RedBull that said no, or was it his decision to avoid more seasons with Verstappen, as from a sportive perspective RB makes more sense.

I think it's safe to assume that Red Bull decided against putting him in the senior team, there's not a snowball's chance in hell Sainz turned down a Red Bull seat in favour of a Mclaren one

Jordan 199

With all the driver changes happening, I hope Ocon doesn't lose a drive.

Harika

I am now curious what led to this. Was it RedBull that said no, or was it his decision to avoid more seasons with Verstappen, as from a sportive perspective RB makes more sense.

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OSI wrote: »

Carlos Sainz confirmed as McLaren driver.

Gasly to Red Bull all but confirmed then

vectra

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

It was in reply to the bit about Kimi. Alonso won't race as a number 2 nor will he come back to sit mid field so Kimi and his age is irrelevant.

Must have took you up wrong so.

But nobody suggested Alonso might come back as a number 2 driver.
Your reply makes no sense.

Joeseph Balls

vectra wrote: »

Where did I even suggest that he would ?

It was in reply to the bit about Kimi. Alonso won't race as a number 2 nor will he come back to sit mid field so Kimi and his age is irrelevant.

Must have took you up wrong so.

vectra

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Alonso won't settle for no2 seat like Kimi.

Where did I even suggest that he would ?

g1983d

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

Everyone knew Honda would have the problems they did, those engines are hugely complicated compared to the V12's of the 80's

I don't think Ron Dennis did, he described the Honda engine like a piece or jewellery.
Turns out it was as useful as jewellery as powering an F1 car

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Jordan 199 wrote: »

I never knew Alonso tested for Jaguar until now:

I actually remember that test and Lauda also tested the Jaguar the year before I think.

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eviltimeban wrote: »

Fair enough. I thought it was something to do with his outside line overtaking move in Estoril in '96.

Villeneuve said he was going to overtake someone around the outside of that corner, Schumacher branded it dangerous and stupid I think.

eviltimeban

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

http://www.espn.com/racing/news/story?series=6&id=2639387

Fair enough. I thought it was something to do with his outside line overtaking move in Estoril in '96.

Harika

On some different side note. Schumacher moving to Majorca. No update on his actual health status but at least fit enough to be moved.

Inviere

cherryghost wrote: »

As much as I like Sainz, Vandoorne and Sainz as a combination is quite meh

I'm the same, no real sense of intrigue there for me. That said, you could put any driver you like in that team and it'd fail to generate interest...the team have such a long road ahead of them that I fear it'll be a long time before anything exciting happens with the word McLaren in it.

Harika

So Gasly to RedBull next and rumours say that Vandoorne could be out already for Spa and replaced with Ocon, who is replaced by Stroll at FI.
Or is Kimi surprising us all and becomes an ice cream vendor at Malibu Beach?

cherryghost

As much as I like Sainz, Vandoorne and Sainz as a combination is quite meh