Scores dead after motorway bridge collapses in Genoa

Terrible stuff. Terrorism?

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This is awful. In Italy so much of construction can be quality effected by criminal interests that it would not surprise if bad materials were used.

Also, 30 is not "scores"

awful awful stuff, eyewitnesses said they saw it struck by lightning ?
Christ, how can lightning take down a bridge, my only guess is no lightning conductor so concrete rapidly expanded with the heat ... terrible tragedy RIP to all that died.

smelly sock wrote: »

Terrorism?

No, it's not.

Pherekydes

The West link bridge is 42m high. This one was over 90m.

A dreadful tragedy.

TheValeyard

Absolutely horrible way to meet your maker. RIP

As other posters above, you'd wonder was it dodgy builder work involved.

Some force of lightning to cause that damage and destruction.

Of all things to ruin your day, lightning causing a bridge collapse is probably not even on anybodys mind. Heard the weather was meant to be shocking.

The lightning could be just a coincedence, more likely it was caused by the extra weight of the water and was about to go anyway, the sh1t will hit the fan after this investigation.

TomSweeney wrote: »

The lightning could be just a coincedence, more likely it was caused to the extra weight of the water and was about to go anyway, the **** will hit the fan after this investigation.

There will be accountability over there no doubt. If itt were ireland forget about it.

DEFTLEFTHAND

smelly sock wrote: »

There will be accountability over there no doubt. If itt were ireland forget about it.

I doubt it, Italy is far worse than Ireland when it comes to such matters. Corrupt to the core.

smelly sock wrote: »

TomSweeney wrote: »

The lightning could be just a coincedence, more likely it was caused to the extra weight of the water and was about to go anyway, the **** will hit the fan after this investigation.

There will be accountability over there no doubt. If itt were ireland forget about it.

Are you joking? Do you think that Ireland is more corrupt then Italy?

smelly sock wrote: »

Terrible stuff. Terrorism?

Yeah, it was Muslim lightning.

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Are you joking? Do you think that Ireland is more corrupt then Italy?

For this kind of thing yes.

TheValeyard

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Yeah, it was Muslim lightning.

I prefer Black lightning myself

Knex*

Jesus. There was only another major accident on a bridge in Italy last week, near Bologna. (link). Two died and 60 injured, but very lucky more didn't get killed.

Mental for this to happen now just a week later.

smelly sock wrote: »

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Are you joking? Do you think that Ireland is more corrupt then Italy?

For this kind of thing yes.

Ok. Well you would be wrong.

seamus

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Some force of lightning to cause that damage and destruction.

In terms of one-off releases of energy, lightning ranks fairly high up there.

Probably an unlucky hit for the most part. When lighting hits reinforced concrete, it generally travels through the rebar, and for the most part should be properly grounded. While there may be a temporary weakening effect in the rebar, it should pass without incident.

In some cases, a secondary reverse charge builds up in the bar, and a secondary charge hits, which can have concussive force which potentially causes damage and cracks in the concrete.

If you're unlucky enough to see this occur in a support pillar that's 90m tall (or any concrete supporting it), then the **** could properly hit the fan.

That said, it may be nothing to do with lightning. Apparently there was large regeneration works going on too.

Also worth noting that in this kind of large engineering, they're generally not built with much redundancy. So if one part structure fails, it can trigger a cascade. It's generally assumed that a 90m concrete tower, properly constructed, and continuously inspected, won't just randomly fail.

igCorcaigh

Too early to say if infrastructure spending played a role, but just look at these charts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-45182675?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5b72f71eb3a4a506734c4884%26What%E2%80%99s%20happened%20to%20Italian%20infrastructure%20spending%3F%26&ns_fee=0#post_5b72f71eb3a4a506734c4884

Regardless, this tragedy will be politicised no end.

RIP. Awful event.

murpho999

smelly sock wrote: »

There will be accountability over there no doubt. If itt were ireland forget about it.

Why does everybody think that Ireland is the worst at everything when it's not.

Have you never heard of Italian corruption?

jacksie66

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JupiterKid

What a horrific tragedy.

Although Italy is indeed very corrupt, the engineering that has gone into most of their Autostrada (motorway) system.is superb, especially given the very difficult terrain in much of the country. There are huge tunnels and bridges crossing deep ravines and cliff hugging motorways on stilts.

It's important to remember Italy was one of the first countries along with Germany to build a motorway system, so the age of the bridge may be a factor in its collapse. In the USA, the interstate freeway system dating mainly from the '60s is deteriorating at an alarming rate in places, with a number of bridge accidents.

jacksie66 wrote: »

Wasn't the bridge built in the 60s?

Looks old allright, could be a big factor here.

igCorcaigh

jacksie66 wrote: »

Wasn't the bridge built in the 60s?

The Morandi bridge was built in the 1960s, but restructuring work was done in 2016.

Reuters reports that the 1.2km-long bridge was undergoing further work to shore up its foundation at the time of collapse.

BBC.

Star Bingo

I think maybe heavy rain probably caused the river to swell and become rapid which brought it down.

Star Bingo

Knex. wrote: »

Jesus. There was only another major accident on a bridge in Italy last week, near Bologna. (link). Two died and 60 injured, but very lucky more didn't get killed.

Mental for this to happen now just a week later.

I saw a video of the main explosion it was huge.

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Ok. Well you would be wrong.

Your opinion.

igCorcaigh

Star Bingo wrote: »

I think maybe heavy rain probably caused the river to swell and become rapid which brought it down.

Weather possibly played a factor. If so, then yet another weather related tragedy this summer.

Of course these types of events are multi factorial in their cause.

Spanish Eyes

The rail viaduct collapsed near Malahide here also. Lucky no one was killed.

If a train had been going over, well it would have been a similar tragedy.

As for lightning strikes, would there have been conductors on such a high bridge? I dunno.

Very sad anyway for all concerned.

murpho999

jacksie66 wrote: »

Wasn't the bridge built in the 60s?

50 years is not old for a bridge and it was also refitted in 2016 (That's probably where it went wrong).