Safiri wrote: To put this into perspective, Ciara ran 4:04 afte r an opening lap of 71. That is just 3 seconds shy of her PB after a slow start. That was the tactics Muir used to burn off the field and make sure no one had a kick. Ciara is probably in close to if not in PB shape right now to be able to run that time off a 71 opening lap. It's expecting a bit much for someone that is running pretty much on the limit to be able to muster a devastating kick at the end of a race like that.
As for Jerry Kiernan, he should know better. The reason Ciara isn't kicking past anyone on the final straight in the last few years is because the depth of the event has exploded and that one of the best runners in the World has no kick in Laura Muir who has to frontrun the kicks out everyone else with a fast pace.
Strazdas wrote: » Watching the race back today and she came very close to medalling and put in a huge effort, probably on a par with Thomas Barr's effort the other evening.
Chivito550 wrote: » It was a splendid run from Ciara. It was better than her bronze in Amsterdam, where she made a tactical error getting boxed in, and also because the field was stronger this time (no Muir last time).
walshb wrote: » Too right. The 1500 is D ultimate test of a runner...
Joe_ Public wrote: » No I actually agree with what you're saying, just think it works better without the racing analogy. Its just different racing styles. I like watching Hassan race, she has that lazy, languid style that makes it seem as if she's doing nothing, but I find it visually appealing. There's another famous runner of the past used to race with head rolling from side to side as if he/she was going to collapse at any second but it was invariably deceptive. Just cant think of name right now.
Chivito550 wrote: » She said after the race her plan was never to go with Muir. She said that Muir is a 3:55 runner (even if she's not in that shape right now) and that she is just not at that level yet. Her plan was to wind it up slowly. If she went with Muir she would have blown up worse than Weightman did and finished down the field. She ran a very smart race. She didn't put a foot wrong tactically. The three women ahead of her are simply better athletes right now. It was a splendid run from Ciara. It was better than her bronze in Amsterdam, where she made a tactical error getting boxed in, and also because the field was stronger this time (no Muir last time).
chasingpaper wrote: » The splits are all here http://www.european-athletics.org/competitions/european-athletics-championships/2018/athletics/event/womens-1500m/phase=atw015100/doc=documents.html Looking at the top 4 places 200m splits Mageean actually seems to have the fastest individual single 200m split of the recorded for any portion of the race (1100m to 1300m). Last lap for each was LM 30.56 - 32.56 - 63.12 SE 30.57 - 31.27 - 61.84 LW 31.22 - 32.67 - 63.89 CM 30.53 - 32.58 - 63.11 It just backs up what people are saying, she just had too much to do when Muir upped the pace from 300m on and she got detached. She also had traffic to contend with too when moving up the field. All those ahead of her had SB over a second better. It was a good performance and I hope she takes heart from it, she can be proud of her effort.
robinph wrote: » Maybe you were watching a different race. But that is exactly what I saw, she pulls alongside at 50m to go and then drops off. What is to question about that, it is exactly what happened? Maybe you saw different effort levels in the running style, but doesn't change that she had caught but didn't pass for some reason despite having got a tow all the way from the other runner.
Down South wrote: » Zatopek?
Joe_ Public wrote: » Was originally thinking way back, but Radcliffe would be perfect example for sure.
Cork Boy 53 wrote: » Paula Radcliffe maybe?
Itziger wrote: » Eh, I'm hoping the smiley indicates you're not being too serious there, in the first sentence not the last. My point was that what we see doesn't always tell the whole story. Some athletes, like the Dutch woman in the 5 and 10,000 and to a slightly lesser extent, Weightman in the 1,500 do exhibit huge obvious signs of great effort. Others seem more controlled and if one of the 'tongue hanging out' gang beats an athlete who looks relatively composed, well at least some people will say, "If she'd tried harder!!!!!" That's all there is to it.
Chivito550 wrote: » Among the dumbest posts I've ever read on here, particularly the bit in bold.
robinph wrote: » It was strange to watch Mageen. Weightman was done and had nothing left at all, Mageen pulled alongside and just appeared to jog in. When they showed the head on view Weightmans expression wasn't of finding a final last spurt of speed, it was just of being broken and trying to not fall over before the line, whilst Mageen just looked like she was out for a stroll and zero interest in racing for the line.
robinph wrote: » With 50m to go she is up on the shoulder of Weightman and about to follow the other runner past her, then she backs off?!? There is no final sprint finish effort from her, she's just jogging in to the line.
Joe_ Public wrote: » Itziger wrote: » One minute now, there's a big difference between saying 'she wasn't trying' and 'it doesn't look like she's trying that hard'. In horse racing they sometimes speak of 'visually impressive' performances. This basically means the horse looks fast and won easily and/or by some distance. But canny punters know that it doesn't always mean the horse truly put in a brilliant performance and will do so again in its next race. On a simple, 'visual' if you like, review I'd say the vast majority of people would say C.M. doesn't look like she's trying as hard as the British runner. As we all know, there are different ways of suffering and of showing that suffering. Comparing athletes and thoroughbreds in this context is kind of a bit silly, though, isn't it? We cant read horse's minds and they are not there by choice so we can never be 100% certain they are emptying themselves in the pursuit. Major championships, on the other hand, are the culmination of an athlete's lifework and leaving something behind is not an option. We dont need to see their heads rolling from side to side or their tongue hanging out to be reassured they are putting it all in. Maybe they should be allowed whips so they can self-flagellate themselves down the home straight to offer further reassurance
Itziger wrote: » One minute now, there's a big difference between saying 'she wasn't trying' and 'it doesn't look like she's trying that hard'. In horse racing they sometimes speak of 'visually impressive' performances. This basically means the horse looks fast and won easily and/or by some distance. But canny punters know that it doesn't always mean the horse truly put in a brilliant performance and will do so again in its next race. On a simple, 'visual' if you like, review I'd say the vast majority of people would say C.M. doesn't look like she's trying as hard as the British runner. As we all know, there are different ways of suffering and of showing that suffering.
average_runner wrote: » She had gone backwards for awhile there, but that 1500m race was good step in the right direction. I wasn't expecting that good of a performance. Hopefully the new setup she moved to in the UK will continue to have an positive impact. It does take a year or more for a new setup to show it rewards. Regarding Gerry, not a big fan of his. But he was her previous coach so maybe something in that
Safiri wrote: » I can't believe some of the stuff being said about Mageann here. We have very few athletes in this Country competing at the level Mageann is and whenever we do, it's always the same nonsense levelled at them. Ciara is a hell of an athlete and has always turned up to wear the Irish vest indoors, outdoors and even in XC. I don't know how many of you who are basically calling her a quitter have run a 1500m in your life and just how quickly your legs can start to fry. To put this into perspective, Ciara ran 4:04 afte r an opening lap of 71. That is just 3 seconds shy of her PB after a slow start. That was the tactics Muir used to burn off the field and make sure no one had a kick. Ciara is probably in close to if not in PB shape right now to be able to run that time off a 71 opening lap. It's expecting a bit much for someone that is running pretty much on the limit to be able to muster a devastating kick at the end of a race like that. As for Jerry Kiernan, he should know better. The reason Ciara isn't kicking past anyone on the final straight in the last few years is because the depth of the event has exploded and that one of the best runners in the World has no kick in Laura Muir who has to frontrun the kicks out everyone else with a fast pace. I may be in the minority here but I thought that was a hell of a performance from Ciara and full of grit even if it didn't result in a medal. Her post race interview should leave no doubt of the effort if everything else didn't already prove it.
Faugheen wrote: » She vomited at least three times after the race. Anyone even suggesting that it looked like she wasn't trying in the last 100 needs to have a long hard look at themselves.
Hermy wrote: » Anyone know why the Czech team were DNS in the 4x100 final?
Strazdas wrote: » I think she was simply running on empty in that last lap. She had a great chance to medal at the bell and even at 250m and 200m out but simply couldn't find anything when it mattered. Her running style is deceptive, she probably doesn't give off any visible signs when she is struggling and yet she was clearly wrecked in that RTE interview. Even after the semi, I thought she sounded more out of breath than you would expect.....she always looks like she is cruising in races but it takes more out of her than you might think.
Itziger wrote: » Here's my tuppence worth. Yes, it does look a bit like she's not trying as hard as say Weightman is but I find that really hard to believe. From the head on shot we see Weightman moves out quite a bit to defend her third spot. I just wonder if C.M. wouldn't have had a small chance if she'd waited, gambled and darted for the inside in the last 15 metres. That's a lot easier to type than to execute though.
