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M7 - Naas/Newbridge Bypass Upgrade [Junction 9a now open]

JupiterKid

Following on from the suggestion of a poster, this thread has been set up to discuss the need for widening the M7.

The section of the M7 IMO in immediate need (really a backlog need) for widening is the section from the Maudlins Interchange at Naas to the M9 interchange - basically the original 1983 Naas Bypass and half of the 1993 Newbridge Bypass. Is this likely to proceed in the near future?

Would the central median be wide enough for widening to D3M here? I'm pretty sure it is wide enough on the Newbridge bypass section but I'm not so sure in the case of the Naas Bypass.

Also, what bridges will need to be demolished and rebuilt? Or would it be more practical to drop the hard shoulder through the existing bridges?

What about the proposal a few years back to build a new junction at on the Naas Bypass at Osberstown? Will it still go ahead?

In the longer term, does anyone see a need to widen the M7 to the N7/M8 junction?

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CeilingFly

s14driftking wrote: »

the bridges. Tarring is starting next week on the main line at nites.

There is no nonense made up here from me I was inducted into the site in the last while.

So the project manager is wrong with his statement made just 2 weeks ago??.

"Mainline 3 lane carriageway will be open in March of next year."

"Project will be completed by end of next year."

Whilst no specifics were given, it would suggest that the sallins bypass and the two new junctions will be the parts completed by end of 2019.

At the beginning of the project it was to be completed by early 2020, so for it now to be completed by end of 2019 would suggest they are ahead of time.

Furthermore, the penalties for going past the agreed timeframe are severe in almost all such contracts and a nine month delay is unheard of especially when the project manager gave a very positive update just 2 weeks ago.

So someone is feeding you rubbish or you're just making it up

Cazale

Heard from a good source that it is actually 3 years behind schedule.

riddlinrussell

s14driftking wrote: »

the bridges. Tarring is starting next week on the main line at nites.

There is no nonense made up here from me I was inducted into the site in the last while.

In that case could you provide your source for them being 9 months behind schedule? And the reason why there is such a delay, given that they have had excellent weather barring one week of snow?

s14driftking

Kevwoody wrote: »

How are they 9 months behind??

The project manager gave a radio interview saying they'd be finished on time next year.

the bridges. Tarring is starting next week on the main line at nites.

CeilingFly wrote: »

Why do people make up such nonsense?

There is no nonense made up here from me I was inducted into the site in the last while.

CeilingFly

s14driftking wrote: »

Be more in there mind throwing more man power at it there already 9 months behind atm.

Why do people make up such nonsense?

Kevwoody

s14driftking wrote:

Be more in there mind throwing more man power at it there already 9 months behind atm.

How are they 9 months behind??

The project manager gave a radio interview saying they'd be finished on time next year.

s14driftking

Be more in there mind throwing more man power at it there already 9 months behind atm.

tom1ie

sonyvision wrote: »

While i do agree with speed enforcement. This will cause nearly everybody jamming in the breakings wouldn't be surprised if this cause rear end accidents. Even if they are doing 60 they will break I bet

Why can't they install average speed cameras. If i recall some time a few years back these were along the M7 or M9 running accross yellow poles with signs warning of these... (doubt where switched on)

Probably needs some form of legislation to be brought in or enacted upon, so that average speed cams can be used.

sonyvision

beertons wrote: »

Not build related, but Go Safe vans will be deployed from Monday to slow the traffic down even more.

While i do agree with speed enforcement. This will cause nearly everybody jamming on the brakes, wouldn't be surprised if this cause rear end accidents. Even if they are doing 60 they will still brake

Why can't they install average speed cameras. If I recall some time a few years back these were along the M7 or M9 running accross yellow poles with signs warning of these... (doubt the were switched on)

beertons

Not build related, but Go Safe vans will be deployed from Monday to slow the traffic down even more.

[Deleted User]

CeilingFly wrote: »

Its less than half the length of 9-10, doesn't require two new junctions and less pipework is involved. (the utility trunk was laid last year)

Also the jct 9-10 work has taken 6 months. It started 3rd week jan and there was a week of snow delay.

So almost 8 months to do half the distance won't be an issue.

But what is it with these negative ninnies? Its like a throwback to the eighties when local councils did the work and unions did everything to delay / extend works because that's what public sector unions do.
These days its international conglomerates and they almost always finish ahead of time.

Eh. Was it not you saying it can't be done??

CeilingFly

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

True yes, but they have nothing done from J10 - J11, at all. I just can't see how they'll do that bit that quickly.

Its less than half the length of 9-10, doesn't require two new junctions and less pipework is involved. (the utility trunk was laid last year)

Also the jct 9-10 work has taken 6 months. It started 3rd week jan and there was a week of snow delay.

So almost 8 months to do half the distance won't be an issue.

But what is it with these negative ninnies? Its like a throwback to the eighties when local councils did the work and unions did everything to delay / extend works because that's what public sector unions do.
These days its international conglomerates and they almost always finish ahead of time.

marno21

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

True yes, but they have nothing done from J10 - J11, at all. I just can't see how they'll do that bit that quickly.

Well it is shorter which is one positive.

It'll also be a handier tie in at J11 as it'll simply be a lane drop rather than the realignment required at J9.

Chris_5339762

True yes, but they have nothing done from J10 - J11, at all. I just can't see how they'll do that bit that quickly.

Mantis Toboggan

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Eight months to complete an online widening? Thats pie in the sky. Don't get me wrong I'd be delighted if they managed it, but when has an online widening ever been done that quickly anywhere. (We won't count China etc)

Well they started the works 8 months ago so I'd imagine they'd have alot of the ground work done for that.

Chris_5339762

Eight months to complete an online widening? Thats pie in the sky. Don't get me wrong I'd be delighted if they managed it, but when has an online widening ever been done that quickly anywhere. (We won't count China etc)

CeilingFly

Patww79 wrote: »

Google maps was showing 27 minutes delay on it around midday with no incidents. Used the N81.

There was a breakdown just after jct 10 about that time. I passed as the car was moving off and guy in the VII breakdown van was tidying up his tools.

OldMrBrennan83

Google maps was showing 27 minutes delay on it around midday with no incidents. Used the N81.

ongarboy

I deliberately left it til 7:30pm last night to leave Dublin for Kerry because I knew any earlier would be mayhem and sailed through this section no problem. My first time on the road in months so the new overpass near Kerry Group and other progress was impressive to see!

CeilingFly

regedit wrote: »

quite a lot of human and machinery activity now between Naas and Newbridge but not sure what the builders have done as the traffic has become much heavier. Yesterday (Friday), as early as 13:30, the traffic was at a standstill from before Kill and then very heavy all the was to the Newbridge exit! Schools out and people on holidays! It may get much worse come September...
Shame SIAC/Colas wont come here or on twitter to update people on the progress and next steps

Its a bank holiday weekend, traditional factories and building site workers commenced their holidays.

You could have 5 lanes and there'd still be tailbacks - though nothing near the 40 miles of congestion on the M5 in the UK two weeks ago

prunudo

regedit wrote: »

quite a lot of human and machinery activity now between Naas and Newbridge but not sure what the builders have done as the traffic has become much heavier. Yesterday (Friday), as early as 13:30, the traffic was at a standstill from before Kill and then very heavy all the was to the Newbridge exit! Schools out and people on holidays! It may get much worse come September...
Shame SIAC/Colas wont come here or on twitter to update people on the progress and next steps

I would imagine that you answered your own question. As there is more activity there will be more rubber neckers hence the hold ups.
That and it was also a bank holiday Friday.

regedit

quite a lot of human and machinery activity now between Naas and Newbridge but not sure what the builders have done as the traffic has become much heavier. Yesterday (Friday), as early as 13:30, the traffic was at a standstill from before Kill and then very heavy all the was to the Newbridge exit! Schools out and people on holidays! It may get much worse come September...
Shame SIAC/Colas wont come here or on twitter to update people on the progress and next steps

benny79

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Well done picking the one of the most complicated infrastructure projects ever undertaken in the history of the state, which opened 12 years ago, as an example. Almost every road infrastructure project in Ireland over that last 15 years has been on time (with many well ahead of time) and on budget.

Well lets hope this one is too then

Cookiemunster

benny79 wrote: »

Was there not false promises giving about the port tunnel?? just saying.. Over time and over budget..

To be honest I don't really care I just hope its finished as soon as possible as commuting is a nightmare! I driving 20 years and never had a crash until this year! My fault though. I went the back roads because of a crash and knew the traffic be mental and was half asleep.. You really have to be on the ball driving them back roads..

Well done picking the one of the most complicated infrastructure projects ever undertaken in the history of the state, which opened 12 years ago, as an example. Almost every road infrastructure project in Ireland over that last 15 years has been on time (with many well ahead of time) and on budget.

benny79

CeilingFly wrote: »

I was saying its just a couple of layers of tarmac for the current section to be finished - yes there's a little more to it, but in comparison to the work that has been completed its now down to the dressing part and that's relatively easy.

And if the project manager say just two days ago that it is on schedule for March 2019 completion of the mainline works, then certain posters have to accept that.

These are major international contractors. they don't give false promises just to appease people, they give real information.

Was there not false promises giving about the port tunnel?? just saying.. Over time and over budget..

To be honest I don't really care I just hope its finished as soon as possible as commuting is a nightmare! I driving 20 years and never had a crash until this year! My fault though. I went the back roads because of a crash and knew the traffic be mental and was half asleep.. You really have to be on the ball driving them back roads..

benny79

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Nice to hear the 3 lanes will be open in March, they're badly needed.

Was like the wild West yesterday evening, cars cutting into lanes, lads jamming on the brakes other cars tearing down the hard shoulder. I saw a car flying down the hard shoulder, a squad car pulled out to take chase but unfortunately he didn't indicate or look and ploughed straight into the car that was coming behind.

Jesus was that what the crash was? I heard it on the news there was long delays so went the back roads. So did everyone else by the looks of things.. took me 2 hrs 15 mins to get home! :mad:

[Deleted User]

One thing I find appalling is the way trucks are speeding through the works at full speed often in the right lane which is narrower. These so called professional drivers don't seem to care much about anyone around them. Is it really such a crap job that they are under such pressure to save 4 or 5 mins by doing that. Where I used give way and respect these guys I'm losing that respect by the day.

Davy

marno21 wrote: »

60km/h speed limit to be extended to J11 M9 from 6am Saturday as per AA Roadwatch

The layout on parts of the extended section is quite poor even at 60kph. They go in and out at the junctions. A lot of the existing white lanes partially remain which makes things worse.

Mantis Toboggan

Nice to hear the 3 lanes will be open in March, they're badly needed.

Was like the wild West yesterday evening, cars cutting into lanes, lads jamming on the brakes other cars tearing down the hard shoulder. I saw a car flying down the hard shoulder, a squad car pulled out to take chase but unfortunately he didn't indicate or look and ploughed straight into the car that was coming behind.

CeilingFly

rameire wrote: »

unfortunately its not just a couple of layers of tarmac as you question.
the next stages once all cabline and pipework is complete will be laying hardcore to raise the level of the base to then be able to lay 3 to 4 layers of tarmac. .

I was saying its just a couple of layers of tarmac for the current section to be finished - yes there's a little more to it, but in comparison to the work that has been completed its now down to the dressing part and that's relatively easy.

And if the project manager say just two days ago that it is on schedule for March 2019 completion of the mainline works, then certain posters have to accept that.

These are major international contractors. they don't give false promises just to appease people, they give real information.