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Alex Jones content removed from Facebook, Youtube, Apple

Kermit.de.frog

http://www.fox10tv.com/story/38822431/youtube-apple-and-facebook-remove-content-from-infowars-and-alex-jones

The lunatic has been removed from the asylum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH4WF-JUdR4

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[Deleted User]

listermint wrote: »

Trump has no chance of re-election in 2020 so let's put that to the side.

Sure give me a price. :pac:

super_furry

Mutant z wrote: »

You ban him then you start to ban everyone else who's opinion you don't like where does it all end.

Hopefully with people who decide that in order to avoid being banned, they're not going to make death threats, make groundless accusations of paedophilia or send mobs after the parents of murdered children.

Grayson

super_furry wrote: »

You're all over the place here.

This is about Alex Jones being banned on Facebook and Youtube for harassment and radicalising lunatics.

Isis, and muslim extremists are also banned on Facebook and Youtube for harassment and radicalising lunatics.

Hey, you forgot our leftist crypto islamofascist agenda. Now get back to growing your beard for the jihad. That beard you brought to the last jihad was embarrassing. You're letting everyone down.

DickSwiveller Returns

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Didn't Alex Jones admit in court that he plays a "character" on his radio show?

I don't have a problem with hate speech being banned, e.g. "Kill Muslims", but people having a differing opinion, i.e. " I don't like Muslims", however unpalatable need to be challenged and engaged instaed of outright silenced.

I think it's a dangerous precedent and definitely leads to "surprises" like Trump and Brexit. Some people who voted for them would certainly have felt they couldn't express themselves publicly and probably avoided discussing the topic when an open discussion might have done more good.

Saying "kill muslims" is incitement to violence and is already illegal. It has nothing to do with 'hate speech'

Sonics2k

Mutant z wrote: »

This is just the start freedom of speech is being attacked worldwide for those who don't have leftist views, Antifa can be just as violent as they want and nothing is done to them but someone says something you don't like suddenly they get banned from the airwaves its not good for freedom of speech and democracy.

You genuinely need to read up on what Freedom of Speech means and stop throwing it out.

A private platform is under absolutely no condition to allow people to have a voice on their service.

Alex Jones is nothing more than scum who abuses the insecurities and paranoia of people in order to make money. This is the same pile of human garbage that claimed the children murdered in Sandyhook were crisis actors.

ohnonotgmail

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Saying "kill muslims" is incitement to violence and is already illegal. It has nothing to do with 'hate speech'

how is saying "Kill Muslims" not hate speech? Similarly with his "All drag queens should be burned alive".

DickSwiveller Returns

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how is saying "Kill Muslims" not hate speech? Similarly with his "All drag queens should be burned alive".

It falls under incitement to violence

ohnonotgmail

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

It falls under incitement to violence

It is also hate speech. the two are not mutually exclusive.

Mutant z

Sonics2k wrote: »

Mutant z wrote: »

This is just the start freedom of speech is being attacked worldwide for those who don't have leftist views, Antifa can be just as violent as they want and nothing is done to them but someone says something you don't like suddenly they get banned from the airwaves its not good for freedom of speech and democracy.

You genuinely need to read up on what Freedom of Speech means and stop throwing it out.

A private platform is under absolutely no condition to allow people to have a voice on their service.

Alex Jones is nothing more than scum who abuses the insecurities and paranoia of people in order to make money. This is the same pile of human garbage that claimed the children murdered in Sandyhook were crisis actors.

Just cut to the chase here you are against freedom of speech this is the sort of stuff people who are in favour of limiting free speech come out with they put it all in fancy words instead of getting to the point.

DickSwiveller Returns

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It is also hate speech. the two are not mutually exclusive.

They are. It doesn't fall under hate speech; it falls under incitement to violence - a specific category.

Call Me Jimmy

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

But it's actively harmful. Look at what happened to the parents of the Sandy Hook massacre. They're grieving for the loss of their children and this scum says they're faking it and they get subsequently abused.

I think he is potentially dangerous but so are a lot of things. Really would like to hear what you mean by 'actively harmful', I mean really specifically. He didn't get banned for anything he said about sandy hook.

Was heartened to see youtuber Kyle Kulinksy seeing the wood for the trees on this issue and as he said nobody debunked/attacked Jones more vehemently than him.

ohnonotgmail

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

I think he is potentially dangerous but so are a lot of things. Really would like to hear what you mean by 'actively harmful', I mean really specifically. He didn't get banned for anything he said about sandy hook.

Was heartened to see youtuber Kyle Kulinksy seeing the wood for the trees on this issue and as he said nobody debunked/attacked Jones more vehemently than him.

He WAS potentially dangerous but that was a long time ago. He is ACTUALLY dangerous.

ohnonotgmail

Mutant z wrote: »

Just cut to the chase here you are against freedom of speech this is the sort of stuff people who are in favour of limiting free speech come out with they put it all in fancy words instead of getting to the point.

It is amazing how many use the term freedom of speech without understanding what it means.

super_furry

Mutant z wrote: »

Just cut to the chase here you are against freedom of speech this is the sort of stuff people who are in favour of limiting free speech come out with they put it all in fancy words instead of getting to the point.

Not sure how you're not getting this. Alex Jones still has freedom of speech and he continues to exercise that, what he doesn't have anymore is access to Youtube's audience.

Sonics2k

Mutant z wrote: »

Just cut to the chase here you are against freedom of speech this is the sort of stuff people who are in favour of limiting free speech come out with they put it all in fancy words instead of getting to the point.

Not at all. I absolutely believe in Alex Jones right to Free Speech. I abhor what he says, but he has every right to say it up until he starts peddling full blown hate speech, which is not protected.

He still has is own websites and shows so he has not been removed.

[Deleted User]

Damn you globalists! How are we going to break the conditioning now?

DickSwiveller Returns

super_furry wrote: »

Not sure how you're not getting this. Alex Jones still has freedom of speech and he continues to exercise that, what he doesn't have anymore is access to Youtube's audience.

Some people have made the argument - and I think quite justifiably - that companies like Youtube, Facebook etc. should be required to abide by first amendment laws.

DickSwiveller Returns

Sonics2k wrote: »

Not at all. I absolutely believe in Alex Jones right to Free Speech. I abhor what he says, but he has every right to say it up until he starts peddling full blown hate speech, which is not protected.

He still has is own websites and shows so he has not been removed.

Hate speech falls under free speech laws in the US

Call Me Jimmy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

He WAS potentially dangerous but that was a long time ago. He is ACTUALLY dangerous.

Ok. You'd want to be a bit more specific than 'dangerous' when it comes to policies, are you talking about hate speech?

super_furry

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Some people have made the argument - and I think quite justifiably - that companies like Youtube, Facebook etc. should be required to abide by first amendment laws.

That's a very different argument and unless the massive legal decision is made to indemnify them against the thousands of lawsuits that would follow from allowing the likes of Alex Jones, Isis, the KKK and all the other fringe lunatics that would take advantage of such an approach, it's never going to happen.

Sonics2k

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Some people have made the argument - and I think quite justifiably - that companies like Youtube, Facebook etc. should be required to abide by first amendment laws.

hmm, so you believe that the United States Government should dictate the the policies of a private organisation? That doesn't sound very Republican to me.

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Hate speech falls under free speech laws in the US

Quite right, I forgot the US is a bit behind the rest of us on that.

DickSwiveller Returns

Sonics2k wrote: »

hmm, so you believe that the United States Government should dictate the the policies of a private organisation? That doesn't sound very Republican to me.

When these companies have such a huge influence? Absolutely.

Quite right, I forgot the US is a bit behind the rest of us on that.

I think the US have it right. What is 'hate speech' exactly. Who decides what is and what isn't? Sounds like a very Orwellian term to me.

ohnonotgmail

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Ok. You'd want to be a bit more specific than 'dangerous' when it comes to policies, are you talking about hate speech?

what do you think? It really isnt that hard to understand.

Sonics2k

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

When these companies have such a huge influence? Absolutely.

I think the US have it right. What is 'hate speech' exactly. Who decides what is and what isn't? Sounds like a very Orwellian term to me.

You speak of Orwellian as a bad thing, but you've also said that the Government should dictate the policies of private companies? Pick a side man.

Hate Speech vs Freedom of Speech is a very simple really.

Freedom of Speech. That Trump bloke is a bit of a bell-end, isn't he.

Hate Speech. Let's literally kill Trump and his family.

Freedom of Speech. I'm not really comfortable with the concept of gay marriage.

Hate Speech. All the gays are pedos and should be burned alive.

sexmag

You have the right to free speech, you do not have the right to be exempt of the consequences of what you say

Taytoland

Shouldn't have banned him. Using "hate" speech argument would just lead to lots of people being banned from social media platforms from all sections of society.

[Deleted User]

When will people realise this isn't a free speech issue? This is about a freaking intergalactic invasion into this space through people, it's what all the ancients said, its what they warned of. These people are demons and they are pouring black rivers of pestilent filth down upon our heads while Trump is charging into a goblin's nest and getting covered in goblin vomit.

Chris_Heilong

I wonder what his final video was considering three big names all kicked him all around the same time, he was far too nuts for me and I usually like a balance to the insanely leftwing media we hear blasted into our ears daily but perhaps he was a step too far, I see many saying he was a Character and the real Alex Jones is actually a normal guy, dont know how true that is.

ohnonotgmail

Taytoland wrote: »

Shouldn't have banned him. Using "hate" speech argument would just lead to lots of people being banned from social media platforms from all sections of society.

Platforms are already banning people for hate speech. Boards.ie will ban you for hate speech. You seem to think that is a bad thing and i'm pretty sure i can understand why.

Hector Bellend

vetinari wrote: »

He's already been elected once thanks to loons like this.
Carrying him on your platform is an implicit endorsement of him.

I love this.Democracy is fine with some people until the result doesnt go their way.

Then everybody is a loon.

Exactly the same thing happened with the brexit referendum.

Anyone who lives in a country that elected Bertie Ahern as head of government three times has no right to slag the electoral results or voting pattern of another nations electorate.

While on the subject of Alex Jones. Just because you dont like what someone says it doesnt mean you are entitled to stop them saying it.

Unless they are saying something libelous or illegal but thats another issue.