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Publicly unacceptable opinions

Undividual

I posted on the recent referendum and probably deserved a lot of the flak I got for my posts. I was trying to work things out in my head so I don't mind any of that tbh. It did make me think however about unacceptable opinions to voice in public. I've seen other posters get labeled (perhaps correctly) as racist/bigoted etc for discussing some issues online, but to me the problem is that they cant be discussed in real life, as in bad ideas/logic should be challenged openly.

Below are some of my unpalatable opinions:

1) I'm afraid of the effects of Islam on the West (less about terrorism than segregated societies/Sharia law/child grooming gangs etc) and our governments willingness to accept more refugees from Muslim countries. To clarify, I dont believe this will be a problem for Ireland in the next ten years. I have Muslim family members who have assimilated (obviously) to Irish culture, but I feel the discussion in Ireland about the specific difficulties in assimilating Islam are not really broached. I realize it is probably not logical to worry at this point, as we haven't had a terrorist attack in Ireland or any scandal with Muslims here.

2) It really annoys me that the problems between the settled community and the traveller community are never adequately addressed. There are a lot of liberal minded people who would rather defend supposedly oppressed minorities than treat them as fallible humans. I remember a Slavoj Zizek interview where he asked a liberal "Should they live beside you?" The answer obviously wasn't yes. I don't mind segregation up to a point, but what does it say about the settled community's values that the illiteracy rate among travelers is so high? Is it not the duty of the state to try to give every child the same chance at life, regardless?

3) As I get older, I find that I respect women less than men. In general I find men to be more stoic about their situations. I find more women than men to have unrealistic expectations, particularly about relationships. What I would call the feminization of society (therapy culture, obsession with the abolition of traditional gender roles etc) has created a generation of men who are undoubtedly good fathers, though I worry what kind of men these men will raise. A woman in her late 50s recently said to me that she was alone and that no one called in to her. I asked her why she didn't just leave the house. She said "And go where?" If a man said that to me, I would probably laugh in his face.

4) I prefer gay men to lesbians (settle down). I have a lesbian family member who has been overly aggressive towards me in the past, in a way that I don't think she would have been with my female relatives. I do understand that as a lesbian, men must seem like a mixture of nuisances, competitors and outright pests, so it doesn't bother me that much, but it's a pain to be treated differently for what you are rather than who you are (upon re-reading, I realize this may sound ironic). I find most gay men I've met to be funny and easy to talk to, even if less than I thought (hoped) were attracted to me.

And yes, I am Hitler.

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steddyeddy

In terms of intelligence I think Stephen Fry is one of the most overrated TV personalities out there. He's described as a polymath but a polymath is someone who has reached expert level in several fields. Fry knows his way around English literature but knowing eclectic facts does not make one a polymath.

yourdeadwright

CowGoesMoo100 wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Another unpopular opinion , Not mine but I read and listend to .
One of the reason for Muslim fate in some middle eastern countries that has been hijacked by extremist is due to inbreeding ,
I seen a very interesting podcast, where they spoke about the tradition in most of these Muslim countries that now harbour extremist's is one of marrying your first cousin ,
Supposedly studies have show generation's of this practise, hugely lower's your IQ, makes people more violent, makes children more prone to still births and other issues, but also has huge factor is it seems to make people more swayed to follow cults and dictation .
Supposedly the Quran encourages it
They think this is a reason the Muslim faith was hijacked by extremist in these countries,
It was a very interesting listen, and the guys where professor's speaking not some lunes,
It makes sense cause as bad as let say Christianity is , you really couldn't seen it being hi-jacked by loons and people to actually follow them

Gavin McInness? Is that you?

Its an interesting thought process that isn't really explored to explain people,
In Ireland we have I think the highest cases of cystic fibrosis per country in Europe, a large reason why is for years we had a very very small gene pool from living on a small island with little or no diversity , Although that is changing now

Undividual

CowGoesMoo100 wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Another unpopular opinion , Not mine but I read and listend to .
One of the reason for Muslim fate in some middle eastern countries that has been hijacked by extremist is due to inbreeding ,
I seen a very interesting podcast, where they spoke about the tradition in most of these Muslim countries that now harbour extremist's is one of marrying your first cousin ,

They think this is a reason the Muslim faith was hijacked by extremist in these countries,
It was a very interesting listen, and the guys where professor's speaking not some lunes,
It makes sense cause as bad as let say Christianity is , you really couldn't seen it being hi-jacked by loons and people to actually follow them

Gavin McInness? Is that you?

Think he said professors not brofessors.

yourdeadwright

Undividual wrote: »

CowGoesMoo100 wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Another unpopular opinion , Not mine but I read and listend to .
One of the reason for Muslim fate in some middle eastern countries that has been hijacked by extremist is due to inbreeding ,
I seen a very interesting podcast, where they spoke about the tradition in most of these Muslim countries that now harbour extremist's is one of marrying your first cousin ,

They think this is a reason the Muslim faith was hijacked by extremist in these countries,
It was a very interesting listen, and the guys where professor's speaking not some lunes,
It makes sense cause as bad as let say Christianity is , you really couldn't seen it being hi-jacked by loons and people to actually follow them

Gavin McInness? Is that you?

Think he said professors not brofessors.

McInness has spoke about it two, infact I heard him speak about it first and then went down the rabbit hole so to speak ,

PlaneSpeeking

Undividual wrote: »

Yeah, absolutely. Incredible how few people believe in innocent before proven guilty.

I was glad when they were found innocent.

To the other women in the office you'd think I'd donned a strap on and raped her myself.

Vitriolic was not the word!!!

CowGoesMoo100

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I was glad when they were found innocent.

To the other women in the office you'd think I'd donned a strap on and raped her myself.

Vitriolic was not the word!!!

Well technically they weren't found innocent, just not guilty. That's what the feminists say anyway.

manonboard

Its a very odd view to think things would be better or not without religion.

Religion WAS the creation of man trying to understand the world and make sense of it. It was/is a means of tribalism and control. It still offers purpose to people.

It makes no sense at all to think of man in the past without religion as it was the expression of his curiosity, logic, observations, culture, history.

It would be like saying emotion is the cause of most violence and we'd be better off without it. Its an integral part of our species especially in the past.

We have many things in our current culture that act like religion that have different names. Our beliefs have moved on to things more proven in science, yet the approach we take to many components of those findings are the same approaches that created religion.

yourdeadwright

CowGoesMoo100 wrote: »

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I was glad when they were found innocent.

To the other women in the office you'd think I'd donned a strap on and raped her myself.

Vitriolic was not the word!!!

Well technically they weren't found innocent, just not guilty. That's what the feminists say anyway.

But in the laws eyes your innocent till proven guilty , There for if they where not proven guilty they where innocent

Undividual

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Undividual wrote: »

Yeah, absolutely. Incredible how few people believe in innocent before proven guilty.

I was glad when they were found innocent.

To the other women in the office you'd think I'd donned a strap on and raped her myself.

I thought rape was a male verb?

CowGoesMoo100

yourdeadwright wrote: »

But in the laws eyes your innocent till proven guilty , There for if they where not proven guilty they where innocent

You'd think that but it seems the women of Ireland know more about law then...well...actual lawyers.

yourdeadwright

manonboard wrote: »

Its a very odd view to think things would be better or not without religion.

Religion WAS the creation of man trying to understand the world and make sense of it. It was/is a means of tribalism and control. It still offers purpose to people.

It makes no sense at all to think of man in the past without religion as it was the expression of his curiosity, logic, observations, culture, history.

It would be like saying emotion is the cause of most violence and we'd be better off without it. Its an integral part of our species especially in the past.

We have many things in our current culture that act like religion that have different names. Our beliefs have moved on to things more proven in science, yet the approach we take to many components of those findings are the same approaches that created religion.

Beliefs and religion's are very different things,
Just cause something happened in the past that lead to the future does not make it right,
Murder has always been a part of human culture for even longer than religion and has helped shape the world as we know it today, (for instance if the native Americans weren't all murdered we wouldn't have the USA as we know it today ) but we'd still be better of without murder in the world.,

DEFTLEFTHAND

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I was glad when they were found innocent.

To the other women in the office you'd think I'd donned a strap on and raped her myself.

Vitriolic was not the word!!!

A lot of this new feminism seems to infantilise women.

They're painted out as being weak, naive creatures who are incapable of doing wrong. They must be believed at all costs.

Like a toddler, no agency. Only big bad men have the capacity for wrongdoing.

The irony of this being sexist doesn't seem to register with them.

Undividual

yourdeadwright wrote: »

manonboard wrote: »

Its a very odd view to think things would be better or not without religion.

Religion WAS the creation of man trying to understand the world and make sense of it. It was/is a means of tribalism and control. It still offers purpose to people.

It makes no sense at all to think of man in the past without religion as it was the expression of his curiosity, logic, observations, culture, history.

It would be like saying emotion is the cause of most violence and we'd be better off without it. Its an integral part of our species especially in the past.

We have many things in our current culture that act like religion that have different names. Our beliefs have moved on to things more proven in science, yet the approach we take to many components of those findings are the same approaches that created religion.

Beliefs and religion's are very different things,
Just cause something happened in the past that lead to the future does not make it right,

Are beliefs and religions very different things? I would say that a belief is privately held, whereas a religion is at the very least a shared belief that eventually gathers followers and infrastructure. You can debate about the negative effects of organized religions, but the truth is that every human social system is open to extreme abuse and corruption. Big corporations, governments and militaries have all committed awful acts without any need for religion.

Also, who defines what's right?

yourdeadwright

A religion has rules, practises to follow to be a part of,
A belief is something personal that is free to grow and change ,
"governments and militaries have all committed awful acts without any need for religion "
Governments and militaries have committed awful acts countless times due to religious beliefs .,

Undividual

yourdeadwright wrote: »

A religion has rules, practises to follow to be a part of,
A belief is something personal that is free to grow and change ,
"governments and militaries have all committed awful acts without any need for religion "
Governments and militaries have committed awful acts countless times due to religious beliefs .,

Religions are free to grow and change.
Yes they have, but would you agree that that is a declining trend in secular societies?

The idea of a world without religion seems to be preceded by the idea that logic can replace superstition. The problem with that is that there are certain questions logic cannot address (such as creation and death). If all religions were disbanded tomorrow, what would stop a new religion springing up?

myshirt

A publicly unacceptable opinion is that Shane Moseley was wronged when he had to give over his championship belt to his wife following their divorce.

Completely wrong and I don't give a bollox that she 'supported him an made it possible'. He was the man who got in the ring and fought. Not her. F*ck sake, let the man hold on to his belt.

DEFTLEFTHAND

myshirt wrote: »

A publicly unacceptable opinion is that Shane Moseley was wronged when he had to give over his championship belt to his wife following their divorce.

Completely wrong and I don't give a bollox that she 'supported him an made it possible'. He was the man who got in the ring and fought. Not her. F*ck sake, let the man hold on to his belt.

Yes, grossly unfair. Imagine doing that somebody. She took three off him.

He spent his whole life working for those belts, long before he met her.

Why would she want them anyway. They're replicas and only of value to him. What a spiteful weirdo.

Hotblack Desiato

JupiterKid wrote: »

Burning churches to the ground.

It's a lot easier in Scandinavia where lots of them are made out of wood, and it's been done, and I'm not saying it's a good thing.

But I can indentify with the sentiment that's for sure

Undividual wrote: »

To what end?

I understand the negative sentiment towards the Catholic church, but some churches are beautiful buildings. Although the religion itself seems to be dying in Ireland, perhaps they should be kept as a reminder of the dangers of blind faith.

In Dublin at least, knock most of 'em down for public housing. The land is valuable, the woo ceremonies to a half dozen midweek attendees are not, and they could go elsewhere anyway.

Plough up every golf course in Dublin for public housing, while you're at it. Full of old self-entitled farts who spend their days worrying about people wearing the wrong type of trousers while half arsedly hitting a ball around. Pathetic. It's dying off at a slower rate than the RCC but it's still dying off, and I shall not weep for either.

Undividual wrote: »

Would you also agree that faith can be a source of strength that atheism cannot? Atheism appears to me to be a spiritual void, though I consider myself an atheist.

I consider a grip on reality as a great source of strength, myself.

hawkwing wrote: »

The amount of publicity dog shyte gets whereas cat shyte is a much more serious matter. It is one of the greatest evils,just walk in both and smell your shoes,may as well throw away the "cat" one

They bury it in the garden of that neighbour you don't like though, instead of depositing it in the middle of the footpath.

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Plus I haven't been to Mass in a few weeks

edgy or sarcasm?

KevinCavan wrote: »

The trial of Ulster rugby players was a no go area with female staff members, who weren’t open to discussion or debate on the topic.

It was a no-go area with the mrs. so I quickly learned to shut up. But their being nasty arseholes is not a crime.

jmayo wrote: »

Yes there are millions of Syrian refugees in overcrowded ill equipped camps in Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey.

They're stuck there because they're not rich enough to manage to enter the EU via the Greek islands or overland. The ones who do are largely middle-class and once one of them gets in the family reunification thing will see the rest in.

I would bet that 99% of those crossing the Med from Libya and North Africa are not Syrian and probably couldn't even find the place on a map.
And most of those are not from warn torn countries either.

Well of course they bloody aren't. Navies are supposed to sink illegal vessels...

17togo

Dunno if it's been mentioned already. I recently had an argument with 2 women, one of them my wife. Both women neither watch or play sport but got highly offended by my following opinion.

Women's teams sport will never be as popular as men's teams sports. I had to emphasis the 'team sports' bit as I think some individual sports are on a par with mens.

Crazy how shocked they got at me even suggesting it, but I'll stand by it. Might not be an publicly unacceptable opinion, just an opinion my wife finds unacceptable ?!?

[Deleted User]

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

edgy or sarcasm?

To be honest I'm not sure which one of those attributes is supposed to be the more insulting anymore

Stigura

Never gonna win a ruck with a Ban Button. So, I, generally, keep my mouth shut.

Supergurrier

Only property or land owning people in gainful employment should have the right to vote.

If you don't have a vested interest in the governance of the country or something to lose then you shouldn't have a voice in the outcome.

It's become very clear as of late party's are buying the unemployed vote/people seeking citizenship to go on social welfare vote.

Unpopular perhaps but I think as it is currently is unsustainable and leading us down a dead end.

Church on Tuesday

That all men must essentially or potentially be scum thanks to that MeToo nonsense.

weldoninhio

The women's hockey team got destroyed in the biggest match any of them will ever play in, but they celebrated like they'd won the thing.

Does any country celebrate failure like Ireland??

irishproduce

weldoninhio wrote: »

The women's hockey team got destroyed in the biggest match any of them will ever play in, but they celebrated like they'd won the thing.

Does any country celebrate failure like Ireland??

We are celebrating women, not the loss.

WinnyThePoo

weldoninhio wrote: »

The women's hockey team got destroyed in the biggest match any of them will ever play in, but they celebrated like they'd won the thing.

Does any country celebrate failure like Ireland??

Considering they where the second lowest ranked team in the tournament . They far exceeded expectations. So no, getting a silver medal is not a failure.

Try_harder

weldoninhio wrote: »

The women's hockey team got destroyed in the biggest match any of them will ever play in, but they celebrated like they'd won the thing.

Does any country celebrate failure like Ireland??

Oh youre so risque and edgy... yawn

weldoninhio

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Considering they where the second lowest ranked team in the tournament . They far exceeded expectations. So no, getting a silver medal is not a failure.

They were 16th in the world, which isn’t ever mentioned. Only that they were ranked second lowest as if they were 105th or something. Hardly the Faroe Islands.

PlaneSpeeking

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

edgy or sarcasm?

Pure sarcasm at the expense of those comparing my faith to a scam like Scientology.

PlaneSpeeking

irishproduce wrote: »

We are celebrating women, not the loss.

Why were we ???

I couldn't give two sh**es about the gender of the protagonist - I'm made up we got to a world final and beat one of the leading lights in the sport on the way.

Why do some people have to bring everything down to wimmin!