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What's going to happen to the old men/rural pubs when the "old men" die

sexmag

So what's gonna happen to the pubs in the West and like when all the local old men die? The likes of pintman paddy lotsy are the regulars and basically keep them going yet the don't attract new clientel or usually stop "unknown" people from coming in.

This must be a serious concern for landlords there?

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Jurgen Klopp

It's not that the "old men" will have no one to replace them, its the feckin price of drink. Believe me there's plenty of lads as young as 21 that would be in for a few each night if they could. Even some of the "old men" just tend to stock up on cheap drink from Aldi or the likes of supervalue, recently had 12 cans Guinness for €10 the pubs didn't have their regulars for a few weeks lol

Couple that with transport, it's grand get someone give a few a lift in before 10pm but trying to come home is a pain in the hole

Another thing to remember too is people just don't have that much money. Despite all the government talk it's not like most households are flush with cash to pay pub prices. Like most might be back to work but money is still tight enough for most people, I know a lot of people who are describing it as the "90s" aka everyone has a job and handy pay but nothing like the boom where people thought nothing of spending 100/200 every weekend on a night out

twowheelsonly

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I live in Dublin and I'd say less than 30% of pubs have TV's have HD viewing, it's generally poor quality trash that only backward fookwits with no interest in quality would put up with.

If you're judging a pub on the quality of the picture on the TV rather than on the price and quality of the pint then I'm afraid you're doing it wrong my friend....

Annasopra

When the old men die they will be buried or cremated!

JCX BXC

mazwell wrote: »

It's 3.80 for a pint of lager in my local pub. 4 euro for a Guinness. I'd guess my local pub is the exact pub the op is talking about.
It serves food, shows the matches, looks after everyone that goes to it.
The oul boys that go to it aren't the be all and end all.
It'll keep going until it's not financially viable like every other business

3.80? Wheres your local!?

Edit: Is it fosters? If so it doesn't count

tabby aspreme

I one of the small towns near me the ould fellas have adapted to there pubs closing, there used to be 13 pubs in the town , now there are 3, the largest one has 4 sections one of which is small, dimly lit , with steel, stone and chrome decor, at 10am every morning you will find about15 old boys in there, with there washed wellies , pints on front of them and a few whiskies also, occasionally some of them treat themselves to the full Irish , by 12 there all gone home before the lunchtime trade starts, I suppose you could call it evolution.

mikemac2

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

You're drinking in the wtong places.

Mr OBumble has a nose for old-man pubs thar serve decent Guinness .he can go intio any tpwn and accurately fomd the OMP with minimal delay.

Looks like you’ve had a few yourself

cute geoge

JupiterKid wrote: »

Pub culture in Ireland is beginning to die, simple as that.

I passed down local village last night and being the noisy hoor could not but notice in trough the windows ,2 local pubs completely deserted at 10.30 last night.Imagine 10.30 on a bank holiday saturday night and not one christian in either pup it beggars belief ,completely f##ked!!!!!

Sofiztikated

cute geoge wrote: »

I passed down local village last night and being the noisy hoor could not but notice in trough the windows ,2 local pubs completely deserted at 10.30 last night.Imagine 10.30 on a bank holiday saturday night and not one christian in either pup it beggars belief ,completely f##ked!!!!!

10.30 any Saturday night a lot of the pubs around here are still quiet. Team that with a litany of music festivals this weekend, and people being away on holidays.

It was always the Sunday on a bank holiday that was the busy one in this neck of the woods.

dense

The pub attendance and the church attendance both falling, different times.

I do find it ironic that we are constantly being chided or advised about the dangers of alcohol, all very real, yet any entrepreneur wishing to design and sell a pet craft beer or a whiskey distillery receive local business grants and incentives.

Are there any other range of products which are so unhealthy but receive a similar level of state support to expand the range?

Igotadose

dense wrote: »

Are there any other range of products which are so unhealthy but receive a similar level of state support to expand the range?

The RCC

Edgware

Rural pubs kept goung because the owners also had farms, undertakers etc. They were staffed by family members often frim big families. That day is gone. The younger family members are not interested and it is uneconomical to hire a manager. Drunk driving legislation in the absence of decent (or indeed any rural transport) has finished the pub trade. Also most villages and small towns have been emptied of young people and oul fellas wont keep the pub going on a few large bottles every night

Wanderer78

dense wrote:

Are there any other range of products which are so unhealthy but receive a similar level of state support to expand the range?

A large proportion of foods on sale are virtually unfit for human consumption, particularly mass produced foods, but I suspect supermarket density is increasing, but since this is 'good for the economy', we can't really complain, can we?

clio_16v

The pub trade will have to evolve. The days of opening your doors and being full are gone. You need to be unique and create something people are willing to travel for be it quality food / live music etc. A lot of younger people are moving to more rural areas because they cant afford houses in the cities so you need to attract these customers.

buried

Open up at 6am. That'll do it.

OldMrBrennan83

Another nail in the coffin of Ireland that's being ruined by people.

Balanadan

A lot of young people like old men pubs too because you can hold a conversation in there! I was in a bar last weekend, about 8pm they turned the music up to a level where people had to shout to talk, nobody was dancing, so I brought us to another bar where they weren't blaring music.

mengele

The disposable income isn't there for it now either. Lets say people are earning the same income in relative terms but there are now so many extra costs that the younger generation have to the older generation. Examples include mortgages (I know they were probably always there but are now over a longer period and are borrowing more), peppery tax, more expensive cars, mobile phone and broadband monthly bills ( these are bills which wouldn't have been there 20 plus years ago).

So what's happening now is the cheaper drink is being bought in supermarkets and people either have it at home or houseparties

w.b. yokes

sexmag wrote: »

So what's gonna happen to the pubs in the West and like when all the local old men die? The likes of pintman paddy lotsy are the regulars and basically keep them going yet the don't attract new clientel or usually stop "unknown" people from coming in.

This must be a serious concern for landlords there?

I hope they are replaced and this part of old Ireland lives on

L1011

They'll close and the licences will be bought by Paddy McKillen Jr to open another built-for-instagram boozer on the Southside in Dublin. As has been happening already

buried

The place down the road from me that opens at 6am will never have no problem. The hardcore will always be there, always want a drink whenever they want it, always know how to act up in the place so there will never be a problem at that hour. I'm one of these lunatics. I'll be there tomorrow morning 6am, I'll get a breakfast there too. I'll get way more decent conversation in there at 7am than whats going on right now. Pubs need to start acting like clubs, actual clubs. Allow the proper lunatics the decent lunatics what will never cause no problem, allow that person access all areas of the house all of the witching hour, into the dawn and beyond. This is the only way to survive. Because the young people?? They off playing Overnight or some other $hite and will never go in there anyways.

whisky_galore

mengele wrote: »

The disposable income isn't there for it now either. Lets say people are earning the same income in relative terms but there are now so many extra costs that the younger generation have to the older generation. Examples include mortgages (I know they were probably always there but are now over a longer period and are borrowing more), peppery tax, more expensive cars, mobile phone and broadband monthly bills ( these are bills which wouldn't have been there 20 plus years ago).

So what's happening now is the cheaper drink is being bought in supermarkets and people either have it at home or houseparties

I see young people eating out quite a lot, the disposable income is there. Perhaps they're not attracted to the idea of visiting pubs with no atmosphere and nothing to offer except booze and bags of stale Taytos.

Graces7

Wanderer78 wrote: »

A large proportion of foods on sale are virtually unfit for human consumption, particularly mass produced foods, but I suspect supermarket density is increasing, but since this is 'good for the economy', we can't really complain, can we?

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jetsonx

whisky_galore wrote: »

I see young people eating out quite a lot, the disposable income is there. Perhaps they're not attracted to the idea of visiting pubs with no atmosphere and nothing to offer except booze and bags of stale Taytos.

Some say Millennials crave authenticity... well you can't get more authentic than an auld fellas pub serving Guinness and Tayto.

GoneHome

JupiterKid wrote: »

Pub culture in Ireland is beginning to die, simple as that.

You wouldn't say that if you'd been in my local pub yesterday afternoon! Myself and OH went over there at 3 pm yesterday, this is country pub in rural Co Limerick, the place was packed, GAA matches being shown on the two tv's, great atmosphere with groups of neighbours and friends all enjoying the craic, the outside beer garden just as full as inside, all ages mixing together, at one stage a group of fourteen lads and girls in their 20's came in having got a mini bus from a town twenty miles away just to enjoy the craic of a county pub for the evening. The owner and a bar person were ran off their feet all day. Finger food was served a couple of times while we were there and was plentiful and tasty. We got a taxi home at 7 pm and there were still people arriving as a one man band was setting up. This pub makes a big effort, it's clean and comfortable, no messing is tolerated and it shows in how well it's doing. This seems to be what it comes down to, if a pub makes the effort people will go there, if not they'll go somewhere else.

Noveight

If the town/village is on the tourist trail then they’ll open for the summer. They’ll then reduce to opening 2-3 nights a week (if it all) for the other 9 months of the year, as many have done already.

GoneHome

Noveight wrote: »

If the town/village is on the tourist trail then they’ll open for the summer. They’ll then reduce to opening 2-3 nights a week (if it all) for the other 9 months of the year, as many have done already.

Yes, there's another rural pub near where I live and it only opens at 5 pm on Friday and Saturday and 2 pm on Sundays, it closes for the rest of the week, it doesn't get the crowds like the pub I outlined in my previous post, but it doesn't make an effort either, while it's relatively clean it's still rough around the edges and lacks atmosphere, they would never think of serving finger food etc if they had a crowd in and they don't even have Sky Sports for the matches. I can't see it surviving beyond this year.

Ash.J.Williams

Last time I drove Dublin to mayo every town beyond mullingar had boarded up pubs... The future is now OP.

Chaos Tourist

L1011 wrote: »

They'll close and the licences will be bought by Paddy McKillen Jr to open another built-for-instagram boozer on the Southside in Dublin. As has been happening already

Well out of the loop here, never heard of Paddy McKillen Jr or built-for-instagram type boozers. I'm such an uncool nerd.:(

Is it an expensive boozer for posh and popular people? The Indo/Sindo have pictures of trendy people every weekend in their silly magazines, but I gave up reading them a long time ago.

L1011

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

Well out of the loop here, never heard of Paddy McKillen Jr or built-for-instagram type boozers. I'm such an uncool nerd.:(

Is it an expensive boozer for posh and popular people? The Indo/Sindo have pictures of trendy people every weekend in their silly magazines, but I gave up reading them a long time ago.

https://pressup.ie/

Grown out of basically nothing, but with huge piles of cash. Fur coat/no knickers as the food options they sell themselves on are often really quite poor.

GoneHome wrote: »

and they don't even have Sky Sports for the matches.

Sky Sport (+BT +Whoever has the extra rights this year) are unsustainably expensive for small rural pubs. Actually I expect more urban pubs will drop it too

Try_harder

I wont lament the death of the pub