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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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Welcome to the Mayo GAA discussion thread - Chapter 3, yer trotting them out quicker than a Mills & Boon Romance !.

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STB.

@Thetalkingbread. Who was saying it was a witch hunt and being pc ?? I read the last few pages and not one person seems to have said anything like that.

TCDStudent1

ProudDUB wrote: »

What does it matter if the ban is 12 weeks or 24? If it starts when he is the guts of a year away from any future intercounty games being played, a ban is utterly pointless. Ok, so he'll probably miss his club championship whenever that kicks off again. Big deal. These bans (like McStays) are worthless when the championship is already over for the year for the offending parties county.

True, should be number of matches rather than time based.

ProudDUB

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

He would be very very lucky to get away with a 12 week ban. I'd have thought 24.

What does it matter if the ban is 12 weeks or 24? If it starts when he is the guts of a year away from any future intercounty games being played, a ban is utterly pointless. Ok, so he'll probably miss his club championship whenever that kicks off again. Big deal. These bans (like McStays) are worthless when the championship is already over for the year for the offending parties county.

The Talking Bread

Definitely deserves category 5 punishment, he is 20, not 12. His behaviour was completely disproportionate to what caused it and the rules are the rules.What is the point of having such a ban in the books if you are not going to use it?

Being PC and bringing up the word "witch hunt" to divert somewhat away from discussion of the seriousness of what he done when all people are doing is pointing out the rules is not helpful.

The young man shouldn't be judged as a person for what he done but he should be judged for the rules he broke and accept the punishment.

Hopefully he is mature enough and has the support from his fellow players, management and family and Mayo fans and to learn from it and not put him off applying himself to the sport.

TCDStudent1

STB. wrote: »

Two category's down the end are the worst from what I can remember. 4 and 5.

4 is the 12 weeks. 5 is 24 weeks and up.

I'd say that even though he had a go at the ref twice in between grabbing a player by the throat in a choke hold and booting a water bottle on his way off, all on live TV, that he'll get a 12 week ban, taking into account he's only a chap.

I presume he has no previous form with officials. Anyway a moment of madness.

He would be very very lucky to get away with a 12 week ban. I'd have thought 24.

RobbieRuns

Inexcusable.
Needs to learn and move on, but all he should do is apologise and accept whatever punishment he is given.

STB.

ArielAtom wrote: »

What is the longest ban that can be handed down. Minimum 12 weeks, but it could be a lot worse.

Two category's down the end are the worst from what I can remember. 4 and 5.

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4 is the 12 weeks. 5 is 24 weeks and up.

I'd say that even though he had a go at the ref twice in between grabbing a player by the throat in a choke hold and booting a water bottle on his way off, all on live TV, that he'll get a 12 week ban, taking into account he's only a chap.

I presume he has no previous form with officials. Anyway a moment of madness.

PressRun

County board apparently meeting with Rochford after the U20s final, so we might hear sometime this week what exactly is happening with the backroom team.

ArielAtom

What is the longest ban that can be handed down. Minimum 12 weeks, but it could be a lot worse.

km79

Stoner wrote: »

Looked at the clip. I think the spitting is fske news.

There is no evidence of a spit, and the lad didn't wipe his face.

Absolutely
It's nonsense

Stoner

Looked at the clip. I think the spitting is fake news.

There is no evidence of a spit, and the lad didn't wipe his face.

megadodge

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Why did he push him initially? Was it a bad decision or what happened? I've only seen the clip above as I was watching the hurling today.

Kildare were under pressure and had worked the ball out of their defense and a Kildare player was fouled (it looked a free to me, but I cannot be certain) going for the ball while under pressure. It was a 'relieving' free for Kildare. The Mayo player then went ape**** with the referee, approached him very aggressively while mouthing and pushed him. The rest is on the clip above.

Speakerboxx

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Why did he push him initially? Was it a bad decision or what happened? I've only seen the clip above as I was watching the hurling today.

disgraceful carry on by that player. he Lost the head. Must always keep your cool at this game.

TCDStudent1

megadodge wrote: »

Have you just ignored what I posted above for some reason?

You seem to think the ref sent him off for his grabbing of the Kildare player's throat. No it wasn't!

HE HAD ALREADY PUSHED THE REFEREE! The camera just didn't catch it. I was sitting very close to it and saw it all.

If you look at that clip above, the Mayo mentor is pointing to somebody, then he puts his head in his hands. Why? Because he saw the first push and knew what it meant. It's that simple.

Plus there was no spit. Whey would there be? You're up by three points in an All-Ireland final with only two minutes left, an opposition player is about to very obviously get sent off and the referee is standing beside you. Think about it.

Why did he push him initially? Was it a bad decision or what happened? I've only seen the clip above as I was watching the hurling today.

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megadodge wrote: »

Have you just ignored what I posted above for some reason?

You seem to think the ref sent him off for his grabbing of the Kildare player's throat. No it wasn't!

HE HAD ALREADY PUSHED THE REFEREE! The camera just didn't catch it. I was sitting very close to it and saw it all.

If you look at that clip above, the Mayo mentor is pointing to somebody, then he puts his head in his hands. Why? Because he saw the first push and knew what it meant. It's that simple.

Plus there was no spit. Whey would there be? You're up by three points in an All-Ireland final with only two minutes left, an opposition player is about to very obviously get sent off and the referee is standing beside you. Think about it.

And that then makes sense of the clip of Solan losing his mind on the sideline, he saw the first push on the ref, by the time the camera angle changed we got to see the push on the player and the second push on the ref.

km79

TommyDe wrote: »

What made him lose the head though? Look at the kildare guys head movements in those 2 seconds.
The more times I watch it the more I'm convinced.

Anytime I've seen lads completely loose it beyond reason is because of spitting.
That's just My 2 cent worth. I could be wrong, and I'll hold my hands up if that's the case.

I'm not condoning or excusing it, just trying to explain it with what I think happened.

The reaction was way OTT. He will be punished severely and he will know more than anyone how wrong he was to push the ref.

Come of it
He was already sent off!!!!!

km79

The Talking Bread wrote: »

He had already pushed the referee and was being sent off before the Kildare player goaded him and invited the reactionary throat grab.

Then he pushed him again walking off. Kildare player obviously said something smart at him. Even something simple like cheerio could have set him off in the heat of the moment given the occasion.

You can see the Mayo managers shocked sudden reaction just before it cut to the 3 of them after he had pushed the ref the first time.

There is absolutely no way he spat at him, otherwise he would be seeing red himself.

100%
The red mist well and truly descended and stayed down
No defending it

The Talking Bread

He had already pushed the referee and was being sent off before the Kildare player goaded him and invited the reactionary throat grab.

Then he pushed him again walking off. Kildare player obviously said something smart at him. Even something simple like cheerio could have set him off in the heat of the moment given the occasion.

You can see the Mayo manager's and the Mayo fans' behind the manager respective shocked sudden reaction just before it cut to the 3 of them after he had pushed the ref the first time.

There is absolutely no way he spat at him, otherwise he would be seeing red himself.

megadodge

TommyDe wrote: »

What made him lose the head though? Look at the kildare guys head movements in those 2 seconds.
The more times I watch it the more I'm convinced.

Anytime I've seen lads completely loose it beyond reason is because of spitting.
That's just My 2 cent worth. I could be wrong, and I'll hold my hands up if that's the case.

I'm not condoning or excusing it, just trying to explain it with what I think happened.

The reaction was way OTT. He will be punished severely and he will know more than anyone how wrong he was to push the ref.

Have you just ignored what I posted above for some reason?

You seem to think the ref sent him off for his grabbing of the Kildare player's throat. No it wasn't!

HE HAD ALREADY PUSHED THE REFEREE! The camera just didn't catch it. I was sitting very close to it and saw it all.

If you look at that clip above, the Mayo mentor is pointing to somebody, then he puts his head in his hands. Why? Because he saw the first push and knew what it meant. It's that simple.

Plus there was no spit. Whey would there be? You're up by three points in an All-Ireland final with only two minutes left, an opposition player is about to very obviously get sent off and the referee is standing beside you. Think about it.

TommyDe

km79 wrote:

He completely and utterly lost the head No excuses He will get a ban Serve it And move on

What made him lose the head though? Look at the kildare guys head movements in those 2 seconds.
The more times I watch it the more I'm convinced.

Anytime I've seen lads completely loose it beyond reason is because of spitting.
That's just My 2 cent worth. I could be wrong, and I'll hold my hands up if that's the case.

I'm not condoning or excusing it, just trying to explain it with what I think happened.

The reaction was way OTT. He will be punished severely and he will know more than anyone how wrong he was to push the ref.

megadodge

TommyDe wrote: »

My last few posts with a link didn't go through. look at video on line.
5-9 seconds. instant rage

Instant rage? The rage was already present - he had just very aggressively mouthed at the referee and then pushed him!!! That's right, he pushed the ref twice!

The Talking Bread

of course you can say something in 2 seconds! Try it! Do you seriously! In fact it would be harder to garner a spit than it would be to insult someone in a couple of seconds. Do you honestly think a ref would ignore someone spitting,! He is staring at them! He doesn't even plead his case to the ref!

km79

Ah come of it
There is absolutely no way the Kildare lad spat at him

He completely and utterly lost the head
No excuses
He will get a ban
Serve it
And move on

TommyDe

The Talking Bread wrote:

He obviously took the shield out, as many players do during a break in play and mouthed something unsavoury at him. That's about it.

There was no time to mouth something in 2 seconds. Ever take a gum shield out and talk immediately... it comes out like blughhh blughhh.
that's why he was pointing at the ref before pushing him as he was going off .

by the way I'm not condoning pushing the ref. I think that explains the instant rage.

The Talking Bread

There is absolutely no way he spat on him. Referee staring at them centimetres away.

If you can see him spitting here and the re can't, the ref needs serious eye test.

He obviously took the shield out, as many players do during a break in play and mouthed something unsavoury at him. That's about it.

https://twitter.com/KevinCrowleykc/status/1026100016723705856

TommyDe

The Talking Bread wrote:

link

My last few posts with a link didn't go through. look at video on line.
5-9 seconds. instant rage

The Talking Bread

TommyDe wrote: »

there's a video on line. it looks like the kildare lad spat at him, hence the rage. If it's true the kildare lad didn't get half enough.
No reason ever to push the ref even if the spit happened in front of him.

link

TommyDe

SecretsOfEarth wrote:

That Flynn incident was ridiculous, I had just switched back over from the hurling when he was being sent off. What actually triggered it? He seemed to be completely incensed all of a sudden.

there's a video on line. it looks like the kildare lad spat at him, hence the rage. If it's true the kildare lad didn't get half enough.
No reason ever to push the ref even if the spit happened in front of him.

megadodge

muddle84 wrote: »

I thought i saw a first push before hand and again after.

You definitely did.

It happened right in front of me. After the ref gave a free to Kildare, he stormed over to the ref, had words and pushed him hard. Then the rest you saw on that clip.

SecretsOfEarth

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Yep son

Thanks, initially presumed as much but seemed too obvious!