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Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

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Probably time to open a new thread for the 2018 season?

Silly season is still in full swing as we all know with Williams and Sauber not having confirmed their line ups as yet.

What are people's opinions on the Halo and Alfa Romeo for 2018?

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Inviere

vectra wrote: »

Perez to RBR

Interesting. Can't see it myself

vectra

astrofluff wrote: »

What seat do people think will be confirmed next?

Lance to Force India.
Perez to RBR

Inviere

astrofluff wrote: »

What seat do people think will be confirmed next?

Gasly to RB, I don't see they have any other choice given Sainz and Verstappen clash too much (everyone will have been watching the absolute headaches Merc had with Lewis & Nico for the last few seasons & won't want it for themselves).

Charlie-Bravo

What seat do people think will be confirmed next?

Harika

vectra wrote: »

Another thing to consider.
Who among the *good* drivers that are eager to progress, would really and truly want to jeopardize their chances by joining Red Bull knowing they would not get equal treatment to Max?

Grosjean, perez, vandoorne maybe
Realistic it will be a decision between sainz and gasly. If sainz gets ousted ferrari or Mercedes might want to grab him into the family.

vectra

astrofluff wrote: »

If Red Bull were to confirm that Sainz is to return and fill the seat departed by Ricciardo, would it make sense to do the swap straightaway rather than drag things out to the end of the year. It may be beneficial for Danny to stay to maximise his championship points with red Bull rather than Renault.

Of course, the issues with Verstappen and Sainz is a hurdle completely in itself for the Red Bull team. I am thinking that Carlos would be very reluctant to team up with Max as he'll not favour being an unofficial No.2. All I do see is that Gasly is the best option for Red Bull for next year.

The following weeks and months of the driver market should prove very interesting for all of us.

Another thing to consider.
Who among the *good* drivers that are eager to progress, would really and truly want to jeopardize their chances by joining Red Bull knowing they would not get equal treatment to Max?

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Frank Bullitt

chicorytip wrote: »

No Raikkonen at Ferrari next season. Marchionne had already made the decision to change before he died so the new boss is unlikely to overturn that. It will be Leclerc but I would prefer someone more experienced. Sainz, perhaps, now that he's available?

Raikkonen will hang around at Ferrari, he doesn't pose any kind of a threat to Vettel, is playing the No.2 very well and that suits Ferrari.

Still think Leclerc will replace him but not next year.

Charlie-Bravo

If Red Bull were to confirm that Sainz is to return and fill the seat departed by Ricciardo, would it make sense to do the swap straightaway rather than drag things out to the end of the year. It may be beneficial for Danny to stay to maximise his championship points with red Bull rather than Renault.

Of course, the issues with Verstappen and Sainz is a hurdle completely in itself for the Red Bull team. I am thinking that Carlos would be very reluctant to team up with Max as he'll not favour being an unofficial No.2. All I do see is that Gasly is the best option for Red Bull for next year.

The following weeks and months of the driver market should prove very interesting for all of us.

Cool_CM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

.sure he would LOVE to go back to Honda D

That would be so good!

vectra

chicorytip wrote: »

No Raikkonen at Ferrari next season. Marchionne had already made the decision to change before he died so the new boss is unlikely to overturn that. It will be Leclerc but I would prefer someone more experienced. Sainz, perhaps, now that he's available?

Where did you see that?
I am convinced Ferrari will still be the same pair next year.

skipper_G

chicorytip wrote: »

No Raikkonen at Ferrari next season. Marchionne had already made the decision to change before he died so the new boss is unlikely to overturn that. It will be Leclerc but I would prefer someone more experienced. Sainz, perhaps, now that he's available?

The Italian press were reporting that Camilleri was more likely to keep Kimi for stability after Marchionne's death. Suppose that's why the rumours of Leclerc to Ferrari have cooled a bit. I think he's a superstar and Ferrari would be hard pressed to get a number 2 driver with that much talent.

chicorytip

kopite386 wrote:

These are my predictions for the 2019 Driver Line-Up I know some are a bit out there but I had to try fit Russell and Ocon in somewhere.

kopite386 wrote:

Merc: Hamilton, Bottas Ferrari: Seb, Kimi Red Bull: Max, Sainz Renault: Hulkenberg, Danny Ric Torro Rosso: Gasly, Norris(on loan from McLaren) Williams: Stroll, Siroktin (possibly Russell/Ocon if Vandoorne stays) McLaren: Alonso, Ocon Force India: Perez, Russell Haas: KMag, LeClerc Sauber: Eriksen, Giovanzzi

No Raikkonen at Ferrari next season. Marchionne had already made the decision to change before he died so the new boss is unlikely to overturn that. It will be Leclerc but I would prefer someone more experienced. Sainz, perhaps, now that he's available?

donspeekinglesh

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I don't see Alonso sticking it out in the midfield for another year, especially with his asking price. At least the Indy 500 doesn't clash with any WEC events.

Yep, I think he'll want to be one of the few drivers with FIA titles in two different disciplines.

Think he'll start his IndyCar career full-time at the Indy 500.

H3llR4iser

Inviere wrote: »

The only Red Bull Alonso will get near will be in a can. He’s ruined his marketability for himself, and I say that as a fan who laments hi, not getting the fabled third title

Precisely - and that's why the people going "ah, if Renault doesn't perform, Ricciardo will just be forgotten by top teams like Alonso was" - he won't be, Alonso actually ruined his career with the McLaren scandal and nailed the coffin shut with the political bickering he got involved in at Ferrari.

Inviere

The only Red Bull Alonso will get near will be in a can. He’s ruined his marketability for himself, and I say that as a fan who laments him not getting the fabled third title

Burkie1203

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Sainz would be the natural choice for RB, but I can't help but expect a surprise - I am sure Alonso will make his availability known, but I can't see them hiring a guy that'll be 38 next year...

Gasly maybe?

H3llR4iser

Very interesting move for Ricciardo, Renault IS on an upward trajectory and with the Honda unit in the Red Bull next year, they may indeed be the third team in the pecking order (Haas and Sauber permitting, they're also doing very well).

I'll be curious to see how long the RBR-Honda relationship will take to blow up, with the Japanese culture of "never admitting mistakes" and Horner's tendency to point fingers.

Daniel has nothing to lose really - at RB he'd be just "the other driver", with an unproven engine that comes from a stubborn technical partner with a big (largely unjustified) reputation.

At least with Renault, if things don't work out it'll be public perception that "well, the car is cr@p".

Sainz would be the natural choice for RB, but I can't help but expect a surprise - I am sure Alonso will make his availability known, but I can't see them hiring a guy that'll be 38 next year...sure he would LOVE to go back to Honda

Harika

https://mobile.twitter.com/FormulaMoney/status/1025373721685630976

And on the serious side. Legal action for the F1 logo begins

Harika

https://mobile.twitter.com/GvanderGarde/status/1025298365867851781

On the funny side lol

Harika

Red bull had the issue with sainz and verstappen so might not be an option for them. Verstappen was promoted and Kyvat demoted to solve that. So we might see a surprise here.
And Alonso Honda is no love story.

Inviere

OSI wrote: »

You stick with Red Bull and you're stuck as a guaranteed 2nd class citizen to Max, with the uncertainty of Honda engines next year and even more uncertainty as to Red Bull's commitment to stay in the sport medium term, I say it's a wise move to head to Renault where you can focus on building something around you.

Yeah pretty much how I see it too. I reckon at the very least, it’s a good short term move.

PopePalpatine

I don't see Alonso sticking it out in the midfield for another year, especially with his asking price. At least the Indy 500 doesn't clash with any WEC events.

kopite386

These are my predictions for the 2019 Driver Line-Up I know some are a bit out there but I had to try fit Russell and Ocon in somewhere.

Merc: Hamilton, Bottas
Ferrari: Seb, Kimi
Red Bull: Max, Sainz
Renault: Hulkenberg, Danny Ric
Torro Rosso: Gasly, Norris(on loan from McLaren)
Williams: Stroll, Siroktin (possibly Russell/Ocon if Vandoorne stays)
McLaren: Alonso, Ocon
Force India: Perez, Russell
Haas: KMag, LeClerc
Sauber: Eriksen, Giovanzzi

AMKC

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

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Maybe but maybe now that they have seen he is faster than the other two by 1.5 seconds they might chance there minds and realise that they need more than just a pay driver in there car. He would have sponsorship as well does he not.

Do you think he would end up at Sauber? I fancy Giovinazzi for that if Leclerc moves elsewhere other than Ferrari.
Well if the Riccardo rumour is true and Giovinazzi goes to Red Bull maybe Vandoorne might get a drive with Sauber now.
I think Leclerc could move to Haas and maybe move to Ferrari in 2020 or 2021 depending on Kimis form and if he retires first or Ferreri decide to replace him.

kopite386

I didn't expect that news at all. I thought he would end up staying with Red Bull. I'm a big Danny Ric fan so I hope this works out well for him. It would be nice to see a Renault win again ala Alonso 05/06.

I wonder what this means for both Gasly/Sainz as to who gets the seat and also what happens to Ocon now.

Frank Bullitt

Gintonious wrote: »

This is why I think Renault could be a big enough player in the driver market. Their car is really improving, and while not a top 3 team (yet), they are a works team and are playing catch up at a reasonable rate to the top teams.

IF...IF Ricciardo leaves RB, then he could easily a seat there, and RB can then pull Sainz back to fill in. OR, if Alonso wants out of McLaren, he would always go back there (this one is the joker in the pack though).

Silly season could get silly.

Knew I mentioned it, although I did was it was am IF. BOOM! HAHAHAHA!

SlicedBread19

flazio wrote: »

Question now is, if you are Christian Horner. Who do you sign? Gasly or Sainz?
Personally I'd like it to be Sainz but he's been a bit too quiet at Renault.

I would say Sainz, just to keep him under contract if nothing else. Gasly will be fine doing another season at Toro Rosso, Sainz won't. Give him one year and if he doesn't perform promote Gasly for 2020. Whereas if you drop Sainz and put Gasly in there for 2019 and he doesn't perform you've got a problem for 2020.

Frank Bullitt

Amazing move and coup by Renault. They have been on the up in recent years, this just adds to it with adding a top driver like Daniel.

Shaping up nicely for 2019.

AMKC

Thats a very bold move by both Riccardo and Renault if true. I hope it works out for him and that Renault can be fighting at the front in the next few years. It's a big loss for Red Bull do. I actually thought Max and Daniel made a good team and worked well together. It's not like say Lewis and Rosberg where there was mind games and they were not getting on together.