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Lahvlann: Up the reek without a coddle - 26/07 two 18 so to speak

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The Talking Bread

She didn't sign up for this. She shouldn't be making this about her, which as her primary reason for going on the show.

Me, Me, I, I, my, my,

boardise

Can't whack a good empathy competition.

Ally Dick

Christ, what a heavy show on the last week. We've come a long way from rude taxi drivers

Strazdas

BettePorter wrote: »

6000 images and 600 odd videos downloaded, a paedophilia handbook, a guide to not being caught , is not the same as watching the odd execution video Mary.

Though you could make a strong case for jailing people for watching execution videos, for the exact same reason as the indecent ones.

BettePorter

Your average middle aged paedo living down the road didn't wake up on his 40th birthday and suddenly fancy babies. He too was 16 once. Just because this lad was caught at 19 doesn't mean it was just an exploratory phase he would have grown out of. You don't 'grow out' of paedophilia. This guy will still be a paedo when he's 90 in my view. You can't make excuses for him cause he's young. He has not been caught shoplifting sweets.

2smiggy

Strazdas wrote: »

Though you could make a strong case for jailing people for watching execution videos, for the exact same reason as the indecent ones.

disgusting behaviour too, but if the executions were legal, then nothing more than disgusting

The Talking Bread

Strazdas wrote: »

Though you could make a strong case for jailing people for watching execution videos, for the exact same reason as the indecent ones.

Very different.

One is illegal, the other isn't. (yet)

Not that difficult to comprehend. Maybe viewing ISIS or other terror related executions may become illegal in the not so distant future given that they have been proven now to influence individuals and it is far worse than merely a rubber necking problem.

Strazdas

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Very different.

One is illegal, the other isn't. (yet)

Not that difficult to comprehend. Maybe viewing ISIS or other terror related executions may become illegal in the not so distant future given that they have been proven now to influence individuals and it is far worse than merely a rubber necking problem.

That's what I was referring to : ISIS beheadings and the like. You could certainly use the same arguments for jailing people for watching these.

The Talking Bread

Strazdas wrote: »

That's what I was referring to : ISIS beheadings and the like. You could certainly use the same arguments for jailing people for watching these.

You couldn't though. Because they are not illegal to view. There is no legal argument there (at the moment)

ButtersSuki

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Those experts must find it difficult to explain the big variation in listenership between programmes, if everyone just leaves the radio on the same station. For instance D'Arcy drops about 170,000 listeners compared to Liveline.

But of course if the figures are made up then that would explain it. I asked you before to supply the actual listenership figures from your expert group, but you never came up with an answer.

We've had this conversation before. I have never stated there's an alternative set of figures (no idea where you got that? Nice condescension on the "expert group" comment btw, Joe would be proud of you!), what I said was the figures are disputed by almost all, if not all of the media buyers in Dublin. But don't take my word for it, believe what you want.

Or take the time (as I previously) suggested to ring an ad agency and if a media buyer will speak to you, they'll confirm the above - if they're speaking frankly. They may of course be wary of saying anything to a random outsider, but seeing as I have 20 years of working in and around the industry what would i know? :rolleyes:

ButtersSuki

zell12 wrote: »

Be there or Be square

No Syl Fox? No Doc Savage? I'm out.

ButtersSuki

Having never heard of her, I had to goo-gull Enya Martin. Having just watched some of her work, I think it's safe to say she'll be at home on Funny Fryday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWmRpP3zJ3E

ButtersSuki

TWODAY'S FunnyFrydaze De Brand NEW & IMPROVED so to speak 2-18 Joe Duffy Wurkday Calculator and dat:

Wurkdays in 2-18 and dat: 150
Joe Shows: 119
No Show Joe Shows: 31
Breakeens 4 Joe: 31
PBH (de full-time host of de show) Shows: 26
PBH guest appearances and dat: 1
D'Omen Shows: 4
AN Udder Shows: 0
Good Fryday No Show by nobody at all at all: 1

NEW FEATURE SO TO SPEAK:
Fateen's Estimated Fees (De FEF Matrix so to speak) to date dis year:
AT LEAST €297,500*

(not including de EXTRA FEES for 3 days of De Beast From De East TV + Radio Simulcast Xtravaganza + likely "Danger Money" for travelling to and from wurk in de snow and dat).

*de fees are calculated at €2,500 per show x days dat Fateen is in so to speak. Dose fees are likely conservative and outdated as day are 2 years old so to speak.
I'm including Good Fryday as a Wurkday as it is not an official Bank Holiday/Holiday Day. Even Pat Kenny is in Newstalk FFS, but no-one in RTE of course of course.

DON'T FORGET -
"We're here all summer" sez he.

ButtersSuki

2smiggy wrote: »

this will help

Dat's a nice starter, wat's de main course caller?

[Deleted User]

Phew, was at doc’s (asking for Versatis if you must know) so missed a lot tewday. So many posts, prewving it is such a popular show, de mouthpiece of de peeeeeple wit Morehair at de buttons sotospeak.

dxhound2005

ButtersSuki wrote: »

We've had this conversation before. I have never stated there's an alternative set of figures (no idea where you got that? Nice condescension on the "expert group" comment btw, Joe would be proud of you!), what I said was the figures are disputed by almost all, if not all of the media buyers in Dublin. But don't take my word for it, believe what you want.

Or take the time (as I previously) suggested to ring an ad agency and if a media buyer will speak to you, they'll confirm the above - if they're speaking frankly. They may of course be wary of saying anything to a random outsider, but seeing as I have 20 years of working in and around the industry what would i know? :rolleyes:

I don't need to ring anyone. I am happy to accept the JNLR figures as correct. You could convince me to change me to change my mind if you can give the reason that JNLR are supposedly falsifying the figures.

And ask your friends for a ballpark figure. If they know that Liveline has not been getting 350K to 400K listeners over the last few years, then just tell me is it less than 100K, between 100 and 200, or higher than that.

ButtersSuki

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I don't need to ring anyone. I am happy to accept the JNLR figures as correct. You could convince me to change me to change my mind if you can give the reason that JNLR are supposedly falsifying the figures.

And ask your friends for a ballpark figure. If they know that Liveline has not been getting 350K to 400K listeners over the last few years, then just tell me is it less than 100K, between 100 and 200, or higher than that.

Ah I never said they were falsifying figures. I said there’s no faith in them, a completely different thing altogether. It’s a “rubbish in, rubbish out” data argument.

WHOY do you think there’s so little paid advertising on Da Lahv Lahn? Think about it logically. If you were a media buyer the easiest thing to do to achieve audience reach numbers would be to buy ads on the most listened to show on RTE, wouldn’t it? Unless of course you had little faith in the quality of the research (JNLR in this case).

But hey, don’t trust the professionals, just go with your own opinion.

Dan Jaman

It's the quality of the listernership, too.
Obviously, the marketeers have looked more closely than anyone else and decided that they'd rather not pyss their money up a wall. Their clients would not be pleased at sinking money into ads that are placed where they will do them no good. Arses get kicked and agencies lose clients for calls like that.

dxhound2005

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Ah I never said they were falsifying figures. I said there’s no faith in them, a completely different thing altogether. It’s a “rubbish in, rubbish out” data argument.

WHOY do you think there’s so little paid advertising on Da Lahv Lahn? Think about it logically. If you were a media buyer the easiest thing to do to achieve audience reach numbers would be to buy ads on the most listened to show on RTE, wouldn’t it? Unless of course you had little faith in the quality of the research (JNLR in this case).

But hey, don’t trust the professionals, just go with your own opinion.

That makes sense to me. If RTE and the Government want to send out their propaganda, do it when there are a high number of listeners.

dxhound2005

Dan Jaman wrote: »

It's the quality of the listernership, too.
Obviously, the marketeers have looked more closely than anyone else and decided that they'd rather not pyss their money up a wall. Their clients would not be pleased at sinking money into ads that are placed where they will do them no good. Arses get kicked and agencies lose clients for calls like that.

There's proof of the contempt in which this forum holds the listenership. Despite me being told that it is the host and RTE which are the legitimate targets for abuse.

ButtersSuki

dxhound2005 wrote: »

That makes sense to me. If RTE and the Government want to send out their propaganda, do it when there are a high number of listeners.

Govt. also less likely to question and/or indeed understand the process or the outputs.

I’ve told the story before of how the MD of an Ad. Agency in Dublin told me that when Govt. Tenders come in they jack up the prices as to them (the Govt.) the most expensive is the best, ignoring the quality of the creative content. That’s the short version.

ButtersSuki

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There's proof of the contempt in which this forum holds the listenership. Despite me being told that it is the host and RTE which are the legitimate targets for abuse.

Wow, that’s a bit of a leap now in fairness based on the previous comment.

Dan Jaman

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There's proof of the contempt in which this forum holds the listenership. Despite me being told that it is the host and RTE which are the legitimate targets for abuse.

There you go leaping to things again.
The very lack of advertising speaks volumes about the audience (and the presenter). If LL listeners were ready and able to part with their cash for something, don't you think the advertisers would be all over it, queueing up at the RTE door to pay for a slot?
Use your loaf.

sligojoek

Lads aaaaaand ladies. Let's do a survey of every ad next week. See how much time is spent on actual ads as opposed to RTE and public service stuff. I'm going to be fairly busy but I'll try to put a stopwatch on any breaks that I can. Sort the wheat from the chaff.

Uncharted

sligojoek wrote: »

Lads aaaaaand ladies. Let's do a survey of every ad next week. See how much time is spent on actual ads as opposed to RTE and public service stuff. I'm going to be fairly busy but I'll try to put a stopwatch on any breaks that I can. Sort the wheat from the chaff.

Sounds like a plan.... I reckon 85% of ads will be self serving RTE license fee propaganda dross.

ButtersSuki

sligojoek wrote: »

Lads aaaaaand ladies. Let's do a survey of every ad next week. See how much time is spent on actual ads as opposed to RTE and public service stuff. I'm going to be fairly busy but I'll try to put a stopwatch on any breaks that I can. Sort the wheat from the chaff.

Good idea and it has been tried before by the long departed snubbs.

One caveat: 1 week is likely too small a sample size and won’t likely be reflective of the fuller year’s experience.

Atlantic Dawn

Student days n dat...

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http://www.dailyedge.ie/rte-archives-have-created-an-exhibition-of-loads-of-irish-celebs-before-they-were-famous-4160839-Aug2018/

Mena Mitty

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Student days n dat...

http://www.dailyedge.ie/rte-archives-have-created-an-exhibition-of-loads-of-irish-celebs-before-they-were-famous-4160839-Aug2018/

Barry Gibb wants his quiff back.

SecretsOfEarth

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Student days n dat...

http://www.dailyedge.ie/rte-archives-have-created-an-exhibition-of-loads-of-irish-celebs-before-they-were-famous-4160839-Aug2018/

Deal or No Deal? No Deal sez eye.

Welsh Megaman