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Has politics.ie closed down ?

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hatrickpatrick

Thomas_IV wrote: »

No idea how you can say that with lots of anti-immigrant and even far-right supporters and Holocaust deniers posting there. I could tell some names but I won't as this would go too far. But I also know that there were lots of conservative views expressed as well. The FF bashing was a daily business over there whenever they liked to have it.

The trouble with Reddit is that the ranking system inherently favours the zeitgeist and makes it harder for minority views to be heard. It's one of the issues with Reddit's otherwise very clever thread ranking system. Of course, you have the *option* to view threads and comments chronologically, but most people, particularly new or unregistered users, generally don't bother unless they have a specific reason to. So in practise, unfortunately, when it comes to matters of ideological difference Reddit's system has the creation of echo chambers / ideological ghettoes pretty much hard-coded into it.

It was probably always inevitable that left and right would have to split into two separate sites (Reddit and Voat) but it still a massive shame. And ironically, Voat has an ultranationalist view which encourages pushing away any new right wing community which migrates from Reddit after Reddit's content policy moves further to the left, because they're paranoid about protecting the status quo when it comes to votes - a direct hangover from the days in which they existed on Reddit but always got hidden by being downvoted into the minus figures.

Because of this, Voat is a bit of a disaster. Over time, its overton window has moved further and further right to the point at which even members of /r/The_Donald were driven from Voat in an organised manner, for being "cucks", after Reddit changed its algorithm specifically to prevent The_Donald appearing on the front page.

I just miss the days when the internet was a proper thunderdome of argument, as opposed to two parallel internets for left and right wind views where the opposing side is tolerated so little by the side running a particular site, that you never really get a proper argument going. Politics.ie is unique in that regard, in that while it has a right wing bias (probably due to migration from other mainstream sites which have slid to the left over the years), they're happy to debate and don't tend to try to push people away when they go there with opposing views to discuss.

Just my two cents anyway. As I say, maybe I'm unusual in this, but I really miss the days when the only rule on the average discussion forum was "if you can't hack the sesh, feck off. Otherwise, enjoy your stay."

Lemongrease

I remember it around 2009-2012 as having some relevance. There were some class trolls like Tompatrick and Gregory. There was some rep function that certain users were very precious about until Tompatrick destroyed it. Then they made a known deviant admin to fight the trolls and it went downhill from there

Thomas_IV

snoop_catt wrote: »

was a great little site , only site where conservative views were in the majority , reddit is more PC than boards

No idea how you can say that with lots of anti-immigrant and even far-right supporters and Holocaust deniers posting there. I could tell some names but I won't as this would go too far. But I also know that there were lots of conservative views expressed as well. The FF bashing was a daily business over there whenever they liked to have it.

TheValeyard

snoop_catt wrote: »

was a great little site , only site where conservative views were in the majority , reddit is more PC than boards

Reddit Ireland can be extremely left wing, but the sh*tposting is good.

Thomas_IV

end of the road wrote: »

at antigravity2.

there are definitely mods on p.ie . unlike boards there is no title under their username to identify them though.

That was always the way to be, but there is (was) a thread in the members forum in which new moderators were announced so that everyone can check and it's been the case that the moderators were chosen from the long standing members on p.ie. But at the time I was leaving p.ie, it appeared that it wasn't maintained anymore, so apart from the always present and known, one didn't know who's on and who's off of them on the list. But there were always complaints about the moderators over there. In my experience and observations during my time there, they mostly did as they pleased and personal preferences came into that as well (at least one couldn't avoid having that impression the way they made their decisions, like letting the usual suspects post as much rubbish as they pleased, whereas others were not treated the same way).

end of the road

at antigravity2.

there are definitely mods on p.ie . unlike boards there is no title under their username to identify them though.

Muahahaha

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I wasn't aware of any of this, I generally post in the social issues and current affairs sections and I just notice that unlike here, nobody closes threads because they've arbitrarily decided that "that's enough of that", regardless of the fact that the users want to continue discussing the subject at hand. This, on the other hand, is endemic on Boards and I for one find it totally infuriating. As far as I'm concerned, threads should be allowed to continue indefinitely until they naturally peter out organically. No forum I've ever posted on operates this "time limit" on contentious subjects the way Boards does - if Boards changed this policy, that'd be about 90% of my issues with Boards moderation sorted. On thread carding, post edits and infractions are normal moderation and I have no problem with them, but closing discussions for arbitrary reasons after they've gone on for X amount of time is infuriating.

Agree with you 100% there, the moderation here is generally quite good but the closing of threads is absolutely infuriating. Couple of months back a mod closed down a thread on Judge Martin Nolan when there was still lots to discuss. No reason given, just locked it and left. So I PMed him asking for it to be re-opened or at least a reason given for its closure when the topic was still very much alive. I didnt even get the courtesy of a reply. Its that kind of sh1t that really turns me off Boards sometimes and as you said it appears to be endemic on here.

SEPT 23 1989

It came back for a while the owner started a thread ranting about how ****e the site had become and now it's off air again

Phoebas

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

On Politics.ie, these discussions are just allowed to continue indefinitely until the users get tired of participating in them - and if you don't want to participate, you simply skip to the next thread. Simple.

It isn't that simple.

Boards has moderation; p.ie has none to speak of.
So every contentious thread on boards requires moderator resources, unlike on p.ie.

Thomas_IV

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Thomas_IV wrote: »

Have you ever been there posting? With Stringjack who runs the place since the American who once took over a couple of years ago 'resigned' and left the place after around one year being the administrator and owner of the site. I know that place as I have been posting there for a couple of years, on and off. Stringjack had the habit to dishing out bans in various periods, going from a couple of days, weeks, months and finally permanent. When being engaged with some nasty or trollish offender over there, fighting back his insults, you would have been caught with that troll and receive a ban. Other posters who exceeded their 'credit' got scotfree and continued with their way of posting. I sometimes simply quitted my registration there as I grew more and more fed up with his way of moderating and administering the place. As one can't close down ones own account there, one had to do it via some unorthodox way. The NI section is the real madhouse of p.ie with the most idiotic and provocative Unionists and Loyalists. But I won't omit that their oppenent equivalents from the Shinners faction are doing their daily trench battles with them. A running in circles day in day out year after year.

So, I am not much surprised that p.ie seems to have finally gone down the toilet (some of them must have pressed the 'flush' button).

I prefer the moderation on b.ie over that on p.ie which in case of the latter one was either randomly or none existent.

I wasn't aware of any of this, I generally post in the social issues and current affairs sections and I just notice that unlike here, nobody closes threads because they've arbitrarily decided that "that's enough of that", regardless of the fact that the users want to continue discussing the subject at hand. This, on the other hand, is endemic on Boards and I for one find it totally infuriating. As far as I'm concerned, threads should be allowed to continue indefinitely until they naturally peter out organically. No forum I've ever posted on operates this "time limit" on contentious subjects the way Boards does - if Boards changed this policy, that'd be about 90% of my issues with Boards moderation sorted. On thread carding, post edits and infractions are normal moderation and I have no problem with them, but closing discussions for arbitrary reasons after they've gone on for X amount of time is infuriating.

For instance, in the last week we've had two major discussions shut down here - one on the ongoing gender newspeak situation and one on immigration. On Politics.ie, these discussions are just allowed to continue indefinitely until the users get tired of participating in them - and if you don't want to participate, you simply skip to the next thread. Simple.

I have noticed the closing of threads on time limits on here too. I can't follow the reasoning for this and I agree with you on that matter. The last time I was on p.ie must be by now some two years ago. The place over there became more sickening, because of the way stringjack run the place and the always repeating topics in some sections which interested me, the behaviour of not less of the posters there which also provoked an equal response from my side to defend myself, did the rest to simply quit again and move on.

There is something else to tell about p.ie and the posters there which I knew. Around the time when I was fed up with it again and looked for another better place to go, some members on p.ie got fed up with the administration style of stringjack and established their own MB. It is called 'politicalirish.com' and many of those who registered there I know from the NI Forum on p.ie. So, for that reason and for the reason that I never Register on any private run MB set up by former members of another board which I know, I didn't follow them to their new site. But as this happens from time to time on other places too (I have seen the like years before that when the BBC was closing down one MB after another), at the start there is much increase in interest and registering, but as long as the old place keeps running, the new MB gets either used as well (boards hopping) or they return to the old place in the mid run. I have noticed on here by some poster who started a thread about p.ie which was closed by the moderators here in a very short time, that this new 'politicsirish.com' board is weak for hacking and that some irregular things happened there which seemingly were outside of the control of the providers. Therefore I wouldn't recommend anybody to go and register over there for the reason of the recent problems which resulted in member accounts being abused (means used in their absence) as a result for the site itself been allegedly hacked as on poster on the aforementioned thread on here mentioned.

P.ie has had very often technical problems besides the really worse sort of moderation or de facto non-moderation at all, but I guess that some other problems of which I don't know anything for the reason of my absence, have added to the probably final closing down of its site. I have met a few decent people over there, but I have met much more radicals, dogmatics, some real psycho and other extremists than on any other site I have been before. P.ie as been left to be run by its members and the result of that is that those factions who always wanted to bring it down appear to finally have succeeded in bringing it down eventually. I have seen more decent posters on p.ie leaving than new ones coming in. The standards went on a decline and that because the Moderators failed to stop the rot and some fierce posters with anti-social behaviour were granted too much freedom to continue but others who defended themselves against their abuse and assaults got the ban. That is what I call 'collective punishment'. This is what stringjack has done. Once a week, when the reported posts amounted to a peak, he simply dished out bans regardless of who was responsible for what and who started the abuse. Registration problems for a new registration played another part as well as getting no response on requests or complaints when posted either via their contact form on the Website or by directly using their contact email address. This is what I have observed.

The early closing of threads on boards.ie might be annoying, more so when one is in full flow on the topic, but in contrast to p.ie, one is better off on boards.ie.

hatrickpatrick

Thomas_IV wrote: »

Have you ever been there posting? With Stringjack who runs the place since the American who once took over a couple of years ago 'resigned' and left the place after around one year being the administrator and owner of the site. I know that place as I have been posting there for a couple of years, on and off. Stringjack had the habit to dishing out bans in various periods, going from a couple of days, weeks, months and finally permanent. When being engaged with some nasty or trollish offender over there, fighting back his insults, you would have been caught with that troll and receive a ban. Other posters who exceeded their 'credit' got scotfree and continued with their way of posting. I sometimes simply quitted my registration there as I grew more and more fed up with his way of moderating and administering the place. As one can't close down ones own account there, one had to do it via some unorthodox way. The NI section is the real madhouse of p.ie with the most idiotic and provocative Unionists and Loyalists. But I won't omit that their oppenent equivalents from the Shinners faction are doing their daily trench battles with them. A running in circles day in day out year after year.

So, I am not much surprised that p.ie seems to have finally gone down the toilet (some of them must have pressed the 'flush' button).

I prefer the moderation on b.ie over that on p.ie which in case of the latter one was either randomly or none existent.

I wasn't aware of any of this, I generally post in the social issues and current affairs sections and I just notice that unlike here, nobody closes threads because they've arbitrarily decided that "that's enough of that", regardless of the fact that the users want to continue discussing the subject at hand. This, on the other hand, is endemic on Boards and I for one find it totally infuriating. As far as I'm concerned, threads should be allowed to continue indefinitely until they naturally peter out organically. No forum I've ever posted on operates this "time limit" on contentious subjects the way Boards does - if Boards changed this policy, that'd be about 90% of my issues with Boards moderation sorted. On thread carding, post edits and infractions are normal moderation and I have no problem with them, but closing discussions for arbitrary reasons after they've gone on for X amount of time is infuriating.

For instance, in the last week we've had two major discussions shut down here - one on the ongoing gender newspeak situation and one on immigration. On Politics.ie, these discussions are just allowed to continue indefinitely until the users get tired of participating in them - and if you don't want to participate, you simply skip to the next thread. Simple.

TomOnBoard

Lemongrease wrote: »

Closed permanently due to GDPR exposure is what I heard.

Heard?? Do tell..

Lemongrease

Closed permanently due to GDPR exposure is what I heard.

JohnnyFlash

Dulce Mango Padlock wrote: »

some sickos on p.ie alright. prefer abusing each other to debating

Sounds great.

by8auj6csd3ioq

some sickos on p.ie alright. prefer abusing each other to debating

Thomas_IV

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

It's still like the wild west days of the internet over there.

Practically no moderation.

For this reason it's far more fun than Boards for political discussion (no "this thread has run its course, closed" even when users are still up for a debate) but Boards still has an edge by having a much broader range of forums.

Have you ever been there posting? With Stringjack who runs the place since the American who once took over a couple of years ago 'resigned' and left the place after around one year being the administrator and owner of the site. I know that place as I have been posting there for a couple of years, on and off. Stringjack had the habit to dishing out bans in various periods, going from a couple of days, weeks, months and finally permanent. When being engaged with some nasty or trollish offender over there, fighting back his insults, you would have been caught with that troll and receive a ban. Other posters who exceeded their 'credit' got scotfree and continued with their way of posting. I sometimes simply quitted my registration there as I grew more and more fed up with his way of moderating and administering the place. As one can't close down ones own account there, one had to do it via some unorthodox way. The NI section is the real madhouse of p.ie with the most idiotic and provocative Unionists and Loyalists. But I won't omit that their oppenent equivalents from the Shinners faction are doing their daily trench battles with them. A running in circles day in day out year after year.

So, I am not much surprised that p.ie seems to have finally gone down the toilet (some of them must have pressed the 'flush' button).

I prefer the moderation on b.ie over that on p.ie which in case of the latter one was either randomly or none existent.

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by8auj6csd3ioq

http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/politics.ie.html says it is under maintenance

TheValeyard

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No!!

Its the one that if you type the name in the software here actually overwrites it in your post.

Cant even remember it now tbh but it was something like goat, voat?

Careful, if you say Voat three times in the mirror, Boards admins appear and beat you to death with red cards.

Odhinn

Muahahaha wrote: »

Its as mad as a box of frogs that site but I do like to pop in occasionally. Some good posters there who clearly have the inside track on their parties going ons

I used to post there before I joined here. Left because you could say what you wanted about the Jews (as a few were inclined to do) but if you bypassed the swear filter with "fuck" etc you'd get a ban/card.

ELM327

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

You see some great fights on it.

A lot of posters seem to genuinely hate each other.

Just like boards then.

hatrickpatrick

It's a sad sign of the times IMO, things like Voat. Places like Reddit used to be inclusive of both sides of the political debate, then as the internet went into "santiziation mode" just as left wing views happened to be the current zeitgeist, people with right wing and far-right views were essentially forced off mainstream platforms and had to create their own "mirror internet" - Voat in place of Reddit, Gab in place of Facebook and Twitter, etc.

The original internet was a thunderdome where everyone could have it out regardless of where they stood, and the only rule was "if you can't hack it, f*ck off". It was far, far more fun IMO than the version we have today where left and right reside in their own echo chambers, shielded from ever actually debating people from the opposite side - and full-on "chaperones" everywhere breaking up any debates before they can really get going.

It sort of feels like the internet used to be a field where teenagers could hang out unsupervised and get up to pretty much anything, and now it's a "maintained" playground with people actually running it and enforcing rules. The wild west internet was much more fun.

Sonics2k

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That'd be voat. /v/boards

The whole site is basically a gigantic right wing version of Reddit. I like to have a read through the boards section every month or so for a cheap laugh at all the crazy people convinced of a conspiracy against them.

Ipso

The GAA are suspiciously silent!

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Boom_Bap wrote: »

Back in the day we used to run around disco's singing those lyrics oblivious to their meaning.

Mental when you think about it, or the good old sex on the beach

I think boom boom boom had a clean version too? I remember something like 'and your kisses on my face'

Floppybits

Holiday time

Boom_Bap

riffmongous wrote: »

Those lyrics are pure filth

Back in the day we used to run around disco's singing those lyrics oblivious to their meaning.

Cienciano

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Is that where banned boards.ie members go?

No, that would be /r/ireland

Harry Palmr

Presumably the Special Branch have finally made a move against them.