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Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

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Mod edit: Given how the last thread descended into chaos, we are going to leave that closed and start afresh

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Pogue eile

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Bonner has been around with years, youd think if he was rated by the co board hed have been given the job before now.
William Maher was a successful underage manager with Tipp was selector under Derek McGrath for a while. Other than that I cant see anyone obvious
Id be surprised if Liam Sheedy went near it

Bonner very highly rated in both Tipp and Waterford circles form what I hear and there were strong suggestions that if Mick Ryan had of decided to walk away this year Bonner was the man and Liam Cahill feels he should serve at least another year with the 21's.

Do I not recall Willie Maher having a run in with the Waterford County Board? Left Tipp in a huff as well, complicated sort of character from what I believe and got away with a bit too much leeway becasue of his inlaws.

If Sheedy was on the market there would be only one team he would be managing you would have to think.

hurler on de ditch

What's the story with Sean Power ,is he not even being considered or asked does he want the job , or has he ruled himself out,

deiseach

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Or Fergal Horgan. A real fans favourite down here...

He'd certainly show no favouritism to the current squad. That should make him the ideal appointment for some around here.

Deise boii

That former tipp player could be Liam Cahill either. Heard good reports of him from a few players he has coached although I also heard he is due to be next in line for the tipp job

Mastermcgrath

supernova5 wrote: »

Redser O' Grady could be the man for the job, certainly have the temperament (ahem]

Or Fergal Horgan. A real fans favourite down here...

supernova5

Redser O' Grady could be the man for the job, certainly have the temperament (ahem]

Mastermcgrath

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

Be better than Fanning anyway!
Hearing tonight that an ex tipp player (not Cummins) was interviewed and has been offered the job

Pogue eile wrote: »

Colm Bonner the only real one that comes to mind???

Bonner has been around with years, youd think if he was rated by the co board hed have been given the job before now.
William Maher was a successful underage manager with Tipp was selector under Derek McGrath for a while. Other than that I cant see anyone obvious
Id be surprised if Liam Sheedy went near it

Mulbert

Cake Man wrote: »

Is Mattie Kenny still an option or is it a case of the CB having to go back with tail between the legs to him? What would people think of John Allen/Donal Og Cusack combo? .

Donal Og Cusack? Mother of Jaysus! Does anyone really think this man will get a job with any gaa team anywhere in the world. He was a character witness for Tom Humphries, a convicted child molester.

Pogue eile

PTH2009 wrote: »

hardly walk out on Carlow ??

Tommy Dunne ??

Babs Keating is a former tipp player

Um I thought the Carlow appointment was a two year gig didnt realise he was still there.

Tommy Dunne, very good coach alot to prove as a manager for me.

Bufoon Keating doesn't deserve any comment

but I can absolutely confirm ye are more than welcome to him!!

PTH2009

Pogue eile wrote: »

Colm Bonner the only real one that comes to mind???

hardly walk out on Carlow ??

Tommy Dunne ??

Babs Keating is a former tipp player

Pogue eile

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

Be better than Fanning anyway!
Hearing tonight that an ex tipp player (not Cummins) was interviewed and has been offered the job

Colm Bonner the only real one that comes to mind???

mickmackmcgoo

PTH2009 wrote:

Jesus this is all getting nervy now and we could end up with a Fergal Hartley/Peter Quelly combo or

Be better than Fanning anyway!
Hearing tonight that an ex tipp player (not Cummins) was interviewed and has been offered the job

PTH2009

Cake Man wrote: »

Why would you meet with a delegation of players (or any members of the CB) and then claim you wouldn't have the time/commitment to take it. Surely you'd just come straight out and say you couldn't commit and that'd be the end of it. Seems contradictory and something doesn't add up there

Is Mattie Kenny still an option or is it a case of the CB having to go back with tail between the legs to him? What would people think of John Allen/Donal Og Cusack combo? None of the other options from the article above would inspire much confidence tbh.

Mattie Kenny could tell us to feck off

John Allen came out and siad he doesnt want the job. Donal Og Cusack talked a big game but didnt really do well when he part of the clare setup

Pairic Fanning ??? no prob take a lot of Davy Fitzs ideas

Brenden Cummins- has no experience of intercounty management

Davy is not coming back

Jesus this is all getting nervy now and we could end up with a Fergal Hartley/Peter Quelly combo or

Cake Man

Why would you meet with a delegation of players (or any members of the CB) and then claim you wouldn't have the time/commitment to take it. Surely you'd just come straight out and say you couldn't commit and that'd be the end of it. Seems contradictory and something doesn't add up there

Is Mattie Kenny still an option or is it a case of the CB having to go back with tail between the legs to him? What would people think of John Allen/Donal Og Cusack combo? None of the other options from the article above would inspire much confidence tbh.

PTH2009

Pat Ryan won’t be the new Waterford senior hurling manager despite speaking to some of the 2018 panel last week.

Work and family commitments are understood to have prevented the 42-year-old from taking over from Derek McGrath, who stepped down last month. The Sarsfields man was heavily fancied for the role and he had the backing of members of the Waterford executive with bookmakers suspending betting on him being appointed after a flurry of bets.

A meeting with a delegation of players is also believed to have gone well but Ryan can’t give the dedication that is required. Where next is the question for the board as they now must re-commence their search for a manager to step into McGrath’s shoes.

Former Cork and Limerick boss John Allen has been recently mentioned in dispatches as has Irish Examiner columnist Anthony Daly although the ex-Clare and Dublin manager distanced himself from such speculation last month.

There would seem to be a determination to appoint Waterford’s first outside manager since Davy Fitzgerald in 2011. However, Fitzgerald’s current Wexford selector Páraic Fanning has been mentioned as a potential candidate. Mount Sion man Fanning also worked under Fitzgerald when he was in charge of the Déise.

Brendan Cummins had been initially linked with the role although that association has since cooled. Dónal Óg Cusack could come into the frame either with Allen or on his own while Cuala’s back-to-back All-Ireland senior club winning manager Mattie Kenny has attracted interest from a number of counties.

Meanwhile, Fitzgerald has not yet committed to Wexford for a third year but there are some indications he is prepared to remain on at the helm. Wexford retained their Division 1 status, but lost heavily to Clare in an All-Ireland quarter-final.

By John Fogarty
GAA Correspondent Irish Examiner

seligehgit

Mod Warning

Can we careful that we don't suggest any impropriety by any persons.

Ewan McKenna offers absolutely no proof of any wrongdoing.

PTH2009

recently why is a lot of stuff connected to Waterford GAA controversal and turning us into a bunch of idiots ???

The CB is a farce

Pogue eile

puzl wrote: »

No crime. That's what I'm saying. IF there has been something dodgy then paddy power will be the first to notice and will get onto the authorities. Until then it's just unfounded accusations and speculations.

You stopped bolding my text at the critical "if true".

His question is not as to whether the story is true or not, his question is as to whether any offence has been comitted, the answer is a very clear no.

puzl

killbillvol2 wrote: »

What crime was committed?

No crime. That's what I'm saying. IF there has been something dodgy then paddy power will be the first to notice and will get onto the authorities. Until then it's just unfounded accusations and speculations.

You stopped bolding my text at the critical "if true".

KevIRL

killbillvol2 wrote: »

More waffle on this thread. Betting on GAA is not insider trading ffs.

Ewan McKenna offers no evidence whatsoever. Paddy Power said (and they love a bit of publicity) that Pat Ryan's odds came in from 16/1 to 5/1 before they suspended betting. Two or three bets cuts the odds from 16/1 to 5/1.

He says someone stood to make €16.000. Bull****. PP don't take bets on volatile markets with that level of risk.

Ryan was as short as 1/5 before betting was suspended. Actually saw that price myself on the PP page

killbillvol2

puzl wrote: »

It is the Guardai that need to act on it if true, and it'll be the bookies that push for action. They have tripwires set for detecting unusual betting patterns so I'm sure if there is *any* truth to the allegations they will be on top of it. Just remember that everything is unfounded rumour for now.

What crime was committed?

killbillvol2

thesaturdayman wrote: »

This Pat Ryan / Betting story is fairly serious stuff, gathering momentum now outside of Waterford few national journalists picking up on it.

Ewan Mackenna has it now (@EwanMackenna.

More waffle on this thread. Betting on GAA is not insider trading ffs.

Ewan McKenna offers no evidence whatsoever. Paddy Power said (and they love a bit of publicity) that Pat Ryan's odds came in from 16/1 to 5/1 before they suspended betting. Two or three bets cuts the odds from 16/1 to 5/1.

He says someone stood to make €16.000. Bull****. PP don't take bets on volatile markets with that level of risk.

puzl

It is the Guardai that need to act on it if true, and it'll be the bookies that push for action. They have tripwires set for detecting unusual betting patterns so I'm sure if there is *any* truth to the allegations they will be on top of it. Just remember that everything is unfounded rumour for now.

thesaturdayman

This Pat Ryan / Betting story is fairly serious stuff, gathering momentum now outside of Waterford few national journalists picking up on it.

Ewan Mackenna has it now (@EwanMackenna).

PTH2009

Ropaire wrote: »

That's one of the most depressing things you've ever posted...

Yeah really hope I'm wrong but he could get the job on the basis of his Ballygunners record. Don't rate him personally and don't think he will get the players to the next level. He could be a decent selector and right hand man not full manager

Ropaire

PTH2009 wrote: »

Fergal Hartley is going to get the job I think

That's one of the most depressing things you've ever posted...

PTH2009

Fergal Hartley is going to get the job I think

thesaturdayman

yea exactly, heard a figure of between 15-20k being mooted...

so 1500 @ 10/1 is 15,000

JeffKenna

thesaturdayman wrote: »

re the Waterford betting, the sums involved are significant by comparison, there were liabilities in excess of 10k...

When you say liabilities do you mean €10k bet or say €1k bet at 10/1 giving a liability to Paddy power of €10k?

Stopitwillya

thesaturdayman wrote: »

whoever was behind it getting their money back.

Sean Power 10/1 yesterday 4/7 today... someone on the selection committee passing on some insider info.....

According to Phil Fanning in the News and Star Sean Power has not being approached by the county board yet.