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Let's all take Blindboy seriously now...

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People do know this is a character right? And not an actual person?

Does it strike anyone else as strange that a made-up persona with a fake voice, parody accent and a fking plastic bag on his head is treated like a normal, regular person in debates and current affairs TV shows? And given the same credibility and respect as an actual real person?

Imagine Fr. Dougal Mcguire, Dustin the Turkey and Fortycoats appearing our incisive current affairs shows discussing mental health with Alan Partridge adjudicating.

Or discussing the 8th amendment and feminism with Mrs Brown, The Bottler and Podge and Rodge? It would be treated like a joke (obviously), but when the prank phone call making, glue-huffing, spastic hawk-toting Blindboy talks serious we all suddenly have to sit up take it seriously.

If I was asked to debate on the same show as a parody character I'd be more than a little pissed off.

By all means share your story on mental health or offer an opinion on our education system. But for fk sake would you give us and the other people on the show the respect of doing it yourself, in a real voice? Without a fking bag on your head?

Alternatively if you prefer holding on to the bag, you could try going back to... you know... being funny. And less preachy.

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DickSwiveller Returns

Dannyriver wrote: »

Dick the APA stands for the American Psychological Association , while I appreciate that you re completely familiar with the situation on the ground but the APA are not living in a bubble and tend to get their research by observing the data from those who are involved with the situation on the ground

maybe, but they are coming to the wrong conclusions, and are focusing on the wrong things

Dannyriver

Deleted User wrote: »

And just skimming that article..all of that could be attributed to economic developments..to simplify it and bring it down to gender sh1te is ideological..you could attribute it to feminism and women taking their jobs too..

Chance reading it instead of skimming maybe. Nothing or nobody has simplified it all down 'gender ****e' 'and feminism and women taking their jobs' is a massive part of the problem for men who believe that the man should be the only breadwinner etc etc oh we re back to what Blindboy said again.

Dannyriver

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Exactly what I was thinking. What the article shows is that the destruction of manufacturing jobs, coupled with the drive by corporations to get women out of the house has affected the self worth of lots of men. Add to that other problems like alcoholism etc and it's not surprising that there is a crisis among men. My guess is that the last thing these men need is the man-hating form that feminism has taken in recent years. The whole article is typical of an academic living in a bubble, completely unfamiliar of the situation on the ground.

Dick the APA stands for the American Psychological Association , while I appreciate that you re completely familiar with the situation on the ground but the APA are not living in a bubble and tend to get their research by observing the data from those who are involved with the situation on the ground

Dannyriver

Deleted User wrote: »

And what exactly did you type into Google to get that?..

Are you seriously asking me that question...what does anybody type into google to find what they are looking for? They type what they are looking for!!! Thats how it works.

In this case I think I typed gender roles and male suicides, and scrolled through the hits till I found one by the APA as I figured that s the most trust worthy and would be obliged to back findings with research and empirical evidence.

DickSwiveller Returns

Deleted User wrote: »

And just skimming that article..all of that could be attributed to economic developments..to simplify it and bring it down to gender sh1te is ideological..you could attribute it to feminism and women taking their jobs too..

Exactly what I was thinking. What the article shows is that the destruction of manufacturing jobs, coupled with the drive by corporations to get women out of the house has affected the self worth of lots of men. Add to that other problems like alcoholism etc and it's not surprising that there is a crisis among men. My guess is that the last thing these men need is the man-hating form that feminism has taken in recent years. The whole article is typical of an academic living in a bubble, completely unfamiliar of the situation on the ground.

[Deleted User]

Dannyriver wrote: »

Google is your friend

And what exactly did you type into Google to get that?..

Star Bingo

Sal Butamol wrote: »

Cut him some slack, after all they worship at the alter of Russell Brand, so they can be forgiven for thinking that long-winded verbal diarrhoea passes for intellectual eloquence.

Seems russ was out in greystones today... paid a visit to to the Happy Pear “a culinary utopia full of beautiful people”. They must do a good lentil curry

[Deleted User]

I would actually have way more time for Brand..

nozzferrahhtoo

Ush1 wrote: »

This is more like a blog than a reply, and you're making baseless, wild assumptions about me.

I'll leave it there as I'm losing the will to live.

I do not think I have. I will read over it and check. And correct any I find. If no corrections occur, you can assume I did not find any. And you not pointing them out is not helpful.

Sal Butamol wrote: »

Cut him some slack, after all they worship at the alter of Russell Brand, so they can be forgiven for thinking that long-winded verbal diarrhoea passes for intellectual eloquence.

I know even less about Brand than I do about Blindboy. The sum total of everything I know about Brand comes from a Podcast he did with Sam Harris. And he seemed to talk a string of absolutely impenetrable nonsense to me.

What bothered me most about him..... I know some people hate some of the words I use. Or at least they pretend to when they do not want to reply to what I said. But usually I choose my words carefully and if I use a slightly unusual one I do so for a good reason. With Brand.... he seemed in every sentence to be using words and language in a way purely and solely for the sake of using it. Just to be seen to use it. It was weird to listen to.

I know a lot of people like him, so I very much intend to go back and give the entire podcast a better chance. Listening to it one segment at a time to try and get at what his points were. But I genuinely can not remember a single thing that made sense, let alone seemed useful. But whether that was my failing, his, or both.... I hope to establish on the second attempt.

EDIT: Actually I think I just lied. I have a vague feeling Brand also did an episode of "Hot Ones" that brilliant show where guests get asked questions while eating insanely hot chicken wings. I would have watched that..... but honestly I can not remember ANYTHING about it. It is like it simply did not stick in my consciousness at all and just slid out. Which is weird, that does not usually happen to me.

[Deleted User]

And just skimming that article..all of that could be attributed to economic developments..to simplify it and bring it down to gender sh1te is ideological..you could attribute it to feminism and women taking their jobs too..

Dannyriver

Deleted User wrote: »

Where are you getting APA academic literature?..is BB feeding it to you?..and well, he does bring up toxic masculinity on occasion..

Google is your friend

[Deleted User]

Dannyriver wrote: »

Here s the article again

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2017/02/men-left-behind.aspx

Who said they were the same thing? I missed that bit.

Where did he argue for the society moving away from these roles missed that one too ?

Where are you getting APA academic literature?..is BB feeding it to you?..and well, he does bring up toxic masculinity on occasion..

Sal Butamol

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Haha. Longwinded obfuscating =/= eloquence ffs.

The chap wrote the guts of a novel saying Blindboy's anecdote about some men he has spoken with wasn't him saying anything about anyone other men, but sure that's 24 caret bollox as BB was clearly using that anecdote to back up his earlier contention that depressed young men in Ireland (in general) need feminism....... and if that wasn't laughable enough Nozz also claims that nothing Blindboy has previously said about feminism is relevant and we're all to just judge his feminism recommendation for depresion in "isolation". Let's just ignore the fact that BB's feminism involves accepting we live a rape culture and in nonsense like toxic masculinity.

Aye and you know fcuk all about the personal circumstances as to why someone might be pissed off at suicide in this country being linked to some kind of feminist mindset deficiency.

Careful, your plastic bag is slipping.

Cut him some slack, after all they worship at the alter of Russell Brand, so they can be forgiven for thinking that long-winded verbal diarrhoea passes for intellectual eloquence.

Dannyriver

Deleted User wrote: »

Article?..but feeling threatened by a society moving away from these roles and suicide due to not being able to provide for someone are not the same thing at all..like, Blindboy is kind of arguing for the society moving away from these roles..

Here s the article again

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2017/02/men-left-behind.aspx

Who said they were the same thing? I missed that bit.

Where did he argue for the society moving away from these roles missed that one too ?

[Deleted User]

Dannyriver wrote: »

Did you read the article no? It clearly says that IT IS a factor for certain men who are threatened by a society that s moving away from traditional gender roles. Why do you not want to believe the available research. ?

Article?..but feeling threatened by a society moving away from these roles and suicide due to not being able to provide for someone are not the same thing at all..like, Blindboy is kind of arguing for the society moving away from these roles..

Ush1

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

And as I said, I think it is sweet. People seem genuinely interested in offering comments on how I construct my posts. I am touched. But at nearly 40 I reckon the voice I have developed over the years is not likely to change much. I cherish the ignore function on forums like this. No one needs to listen to me

With the "and" qualifier. Which changes them from synonyms to completely different words.

Doubt it. As I said if we have different understandings of the phrase "sh*t show" that is fine. But the change from one to the other, given my understanding of the two, certainly warrants a twitch as it appears under those definitions to be a COMPLETE back pedal.

Beats me to what end. But if a person uses a phrase that appears to in no way describe the thing it was directed at......... a person can be forgiven for suspecting the person using the phrase did not actually listen to the thing in question.

Hard to be on such a sensitive subject. They were sitting talking about a book in which the main character is gang raped. The author also describing that this book was informed by similar experiences in her own youth.

Not that being funny then is the wrong thing to do, done right it is a GREAT thing to do (I am not in the "rape can never be funny" crowd, anything in comedy done right can be funny)..... but you're not going to pull it off every time.

As I said in one of the first posts on the thread I made this week.... he thinks people left because they do not like feminism. He needs to cop on to that one. They were discussing a serious subject at a COMEDY festival. I would say anyone who left, left for no other reason than that.

My usually good memory is failing me now, but I did laugh mightily at something he was saying at the START of the interview. But I seem to be one of those people who can come out of a comedy show and forget every joke the comedian made. Mad huh? I am sure the first 5 or 10 minutes had me laughing quite a lot, and now I can not recall at all what or why.

EDIT, just listened back at double speed: His opening ice breaker was funny but also useful as a relaxer. About how having the questions on the phone make him look disinterested and reading texts. I liked his "Ok you have outlined your position" comment too. Really gave the people in question all the consideration they deserved for their non-points. And his monologue about the Tennis Ball Essays was the bit that had me laughing out loud. Comedy is subjective, but come on THAT was funny right? "Christ made his way into the Cuchullan stories........". For some reason I was hearing that anecdote, but parsing it from the perspective of the teacher who gave that essay out...... thinking it was a punishment.... and reading the result. Which just made it funnier for me.

EDIT EDIT: Sorry I missed the time point here but around 33 minutes to 38 minutes, where they are talking about masturbation and sex toys, that was pretty funny too. When he was talking in this interview he actually WAS funny. I think a more accurate description, that explains YOUR disappointment, is he is the kind of interviewer that lets the interviewee keep talking. At length. Keeping his own input to a minimum. Which is kinda good sometimes, but if you want him to be funny he is only going to do that in the short windows when he is actually talking. Only a rough estimate here but I think the talking ratio in that interview was 70% her 30% him. Maybe even more.

This is more like a blog than a reply, and you're making baseless, wild assumptions about me.

I'll leave it there as I'm losing the will to live.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Sal Butamol wrote: »

Dannyriver = one of the Rubberbandits.

Mod note: Enough of that!

That joke died a while back so move it along now. Any more posts like this and I will consider you to be trying to doxx a poster here and banning will be high up on the list of options open to us!

Buford T. Justice

Dannyriver

Deleted User wrote: »

Id actually say in this day and age there aren't very many suicides caused by not being able to provide for a woman..

Did you read the article no? It clearly says that IT IS a factor for certain men who are threatened by a society that s moving away from traditional gender roles. Why do you not want to believe the available research. ?

[Deleted User]

Id actually say in this day and age there aren't very many suicides caused by not being able to provide for a woman..

nozzferrahhtoo

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Haha. Longwinded obfuscating =/= eloquence ffs.

Then stop and try to actually answer some posts and points for a change, rather than hide and retreat behind talking about me in third person in a dodge of the actual posts I wrote to you.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

The chap wrote the guts of a novel saying Blindboy's anecdote about some men he has spoken with wasn't him saying anything about anyone other men

Not what I said no. You are distorting again. The constant MO from you here, whether you are talking about me, or talking about Blindboy, is to invent and attack positions we simply do not hold. Where DO you get all the straw?

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

back up his earlier contention that depressed young men in Ireland (in general) need feminism.......

Which as I said, does not mean what you keep pretending it does. A pretence that requires you ignore a hell of a lot of posts and points. Oh wait. You have.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Nozz also claims that nothing Blindboy has previously said about feminism is relevant

Also not what I said. The distortions, lies and strawmen are coming hard and fast from you today. I said two things, neither of which you are representing here through anything but distortion.

A) I said that while making the point Blindboy included in it a definition of the word feminism he was using within the context of the point. And therefore THAT is the only definition relevant to the point.

I also said that you are hiding behind ominous all knowing imagination in claiming to know his own mind better than his own words. Claiming to know things about his position you have not cited, supported, substantiated, linked or quoted. So it is less that I am saying nothing he said before is relevant, so much as I am saying you have not actually cited or quoted a single thing he said before.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Let's just ignore the fact that BB's feminism involves accepting we live a rape culture and in nonsense like toxic masculinity.

Or, more accurately, what you WANT us to ignore is the fact you have not actually established things like "toxic masculinity" are in fact nonsense. Rather you and a small cohort of one perhaps two people have made up your own definitions of it, like you have with feminism, and pretended they are the ones he is operating under. A cohort who, when their makey up definition was challenged, ran away from the conversation yet to return. Funny that.

And just like with "feminism" you have not quoted or cited ANYTHING from him to support it. Just nods and winks of "I know stuff cause I do so I do" dodge nonsense.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Aye and you know fcuk all about the personal circumstances as to why someone might be pissed off at suicide in this country being linked to some kind of feminist mindset deficiency.

Who cares how pissed off you feel? The question is whether it is true or not that some suicides are linked to the things he described. But you have not addressed THAT question in your keenness to make up definitions you want him to hold in your imaginary world.

Dannyriver

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Haha. Longwinded obfuscating =/= eloquence ffs.

The chap wrote the guts of a novel saying Blindboy's anecdote about some men he has spoken with wasn't him saying anything about anyone other men, but sure that's 24 caret bollox as BB was clearly using that anecdote to back up his earlier contention that depressed young men in Ireland (in general) need feminism....... and if that wasn't laughable enough Nozz also claims that nothing Blindboy has previously said about feminism is relevant and we're all to just judge his feminism recommendation for depresion in "isolation". Let's just ignore the fact that BB's feminism involves accepting we live a rape culture and in nonsense like toxic masculinity.

Aye and you know fcuk all about the personal circumstances as to why someone might be pissed off at suicide in this country being linked to some kind of feminist mindset deficiency.

Careful, your plastic bag is slipping.

Gender role identification has been a recognised contribution to poor mental health for as long as its been researched. Its even more relevant now that traditional society is facing such upheaval.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2017/02/men-left-behind.aspx

Outlaw Pete

Dannyriver wrote: »

I keep citing him because he has eloquently made the points that I know longer have to make because he made them already.

Haha. Longwinded obfuscating =/= eloquence ffs.

The chap wrote the guts of a novel saying Blindboy's anecdote about some men he has spoken with wasn't him saying anything about anyone other men, but sure that's 24 caret bollox as BB was clearly using that anecdote to back up his earlier contention that depressed young men in Ireland (in general) need feminism....... and if that wasn't laughable enough Nozz also claims that nothing Blindboy has previously said about feminism is relevant and we're all to just judge his feminism recommendation for depresion in "isolation". Let's just ignore the fact that BB's feminism involves accepting we live a rape culture and in nonsense like toxic masculinity.

You know **** all about the personal circumstances as to why someone might want to address suicide in their music...

Aye and you know fcuk all about the personal circumstances as to why someone might be pissed off at suicide in this country being linked to some kind of feminist mindset deficiency.

..and to therefore suggest that it was done for selfish reasons around credibility just shows you to be immensely immature and cynical or just a total arse. Fling **** at people all you like if you have proof until that point you re as well off holding on to that kind of nasty ****. Some fantasy's are best left private.

Careful, your plastic bag is slipping.

Brian?

Sal Butamol wrote: »

Preaching is annoying. Stick to comedy

Preaching is annoying. Stick to alleviating the symptoms of asthma.

Dannyriver

Deleted User wrote: »

Dannyriver in Blindboy's mate shocker!!

Limerick s a small place and when you grew up in the same neighbourhood things like that happen, you know you get to know other people in your neighbourhood. Simple really.

nozzferrahhtoo

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know if I want to ask, but minority views?

I have written on them extensively in the past, including a thread active currently, so I wont derail this thread with details. It is not at all as bad as you are guessing though I reckon

But I would still like to discuss them with someone who does not..... go off on one.... like a few of the people who tried it in the last few days here.

I love talking about my views with people who are articulate, especially if they disagree with me. I lament that I never got to sit and talk to Christopher Hitchens about his Pro Life views for example. I reckon he would have given me a much better run for my money than "ooo look at its flappy tongue".

I seek out those kinds of conversations, alas they are rare.

Deleted User wrote: »

Personally, I would ask him about the significance of marijuana in the context of mental health, and if he feels there's a contradiction in banging on about mental health, while somewhat glorifying drug use through his character..

I am guessing he is some what in the Sam Harris camp in that one, but I would like to explore it with him for sure.

The Sam Harris camp would be of the opinion that for many people (most, though clearly not all) drugs are a great way to access altered states of consciousness, albeit only in a transitory and brief way.

Harris was compelled by his experiences with drugs to seek other ways to attain similar experiences, in a more constant way. Which led him to Meditation and so forth.

I would guess he is also, like me, of the opinion that many drugs like marijuana do not actually cause mental health issues. Rather underground bad versions of it have exacerbated already existing conditions, or triggered ones that were already there. Which would mean the "contradiction" you speak of is not actually there maybe. But again there is a thread live on that one currently too

Two I think.

As I have only listened to 4 of his podcasts, and all only because they became the subject of debate here, I could not even tell you what drugs, how often or anything else Blindboy has engaged with. Or whether his engagement is current or past.

[Deleted User]

I don't know if I want to ask, but minority views?..

Personally, I would ask him about the significance of marijuana in the context of mental health, and if he feels there's a contradiction in banging on about mental health, while somewhat glorifying drug use through his character..

nozzferrahhtoo

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah, I was referring to the other account..what would you like to hear his take on?.. Serious question like..

I think you are asking me? Apologies if not! To be honest I do not know. I do not even know if his take would be useful or informative. I guess after debating him for a few days I just get the impression he would not give the take you expect on many issues.

I appear to have some minority views on subjects like paedophilia and incest. But the rebuttals to those views on boards has been..... well not mature. Or coherent. So I would love to see if he disagrees with me as I think he might be quite articulate on the subject.

I also have a lot of interest in certain aspects of Human Psychology, well being, meditation, hypnosis and more.... sometimes in conjunction with modified states of consciousness through the use of drugs. Which I think he might have studied as much if not more than I from what little I know of him (which to date constitutes his appearance on the Late Late, 4 of his podcasts now I think, and ONE entry on their twitter account which read only today just to see what they post there). Though there is a user on boards who has already taught me so very much on those subjects it has surprised me greatly how informed they are.

A few other small things I would like his take on related to music, food, religion and some issues related to education in Ireland. And for some reason I feel tempted to ask him about vigilantism.... or at least certain very particular brands of it.... though I am not sure why he would have an insight into that.

Oh and why his taste in computer games appears to be so bloody atrocious

And I always have a thing anyway when I notice a media personality is always in character..... that I would love to meet them just once out of character. Like Ricky Gervais and Derren Brown for example. Two people I would love to see out of character. Though I suspect both of them are very shy, reserved, mostly depressed out of character. I would love to know.

[Deleted User]

Ah, I was referring to the other account..what would you like to hear his take on?..
Serious question like..

Sal Butamol

Deleted User wrote: »

Dannyriver in Blindboy's mate shocker!!

Dannyriver = one of the Rubberbandits.

nozzferrahhtoo

Hah I dunno if I could ever be mates with him. Too many things that are important to me are different to him. Such as our taste in music. I simply am dead inside to the kind of music he reportedly likes (someone said above disco music? And he produces and listens to electronic and drum and bass stuff? All totally not my thing). I doubt he gets skin orgasms (it is a thing) from listening to Astral Weeks.

Would love to meet him out of character once or twice though some day all the same. There are some things I would simply be interested to get his take on. And I already support enough things through patreon to consider adding him to the list just to ask some questions that may never get answered on his patreon page