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Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

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New thread ladsðŸ˜ŠðŸ˜Š Any update on injuries for this weekends game?

Mod edit: Given how the last thread descended into chaos, we are going to leave that closed and start afresh

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Given that the thread regularly descending into tit for tat insults between posters, From now on, it won't be a card but a ban straight away for anything like this. The mod warning is clear in the first post but yet people still ignore it.
Also, I'd like to remind people of the ban on discussing players'/managers'/officials' private lives without any substance. You can be getting into libelous territory there. So a zero tolerance policy will be enforced as well.

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thesaturdayman

whoever was behind it getting their money back.

Sean Power 10/1 yesterday 4/7 today... someone on the selection committee passing on some insider info.....

Deiseen

thesaturdayman wrote: »

re the Waterford betting, the sums involved are significant by comparison, there were liabilities in excess of 10k...

They must be delighted now!

thesaturdayman

re the Waterford betting, the sums involved are significant by comparison, there were liabilities in excess of 10k...

JeffKenna

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

He's correct. For something like this inside information is key as there's no form to go on such as a horse race or a match. So Power's or any other bookie would be vulnerable and hence would change their prices to reflect any flow of money. It's different for the aforementioned matches or races as they can analyse form etc.

Yeah, it's a different market I know but I suspect the size would be the same...A few years ago I went into Paddy Power and put €200 on a February general election when it was thought the election would be called for November. The odds were 5/1 but they'd only give me the first €100 at 5/1 and then the second at 3/1 so my first €100 basically moved the price from 5/1 into 3/1.

deiseach

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

He's correct. For something like this inside information is key as there's no form to go on such as a horse race or a match. So Power's or any other bookie would be vulnerable and hence would change their prices to reflect any flow of money. It's different for the aforementioned matches or races as they can analyse form etc.

"Hello, I'd like to put 10 grand on the identity of the new Waterford hurling manager. My name is Jaddy Poe Ryan..."

TheScoringGoal

blueflame wrote: »

To be honest I am surprised to hear that such a minimal amount of betting would have caused Paddy Power to suspend betting but as i say i am not a betting man but thanks for clearing that up.

He's correct. For something like this inside information is key as there's no form to go on such as a horse race or a match. So Power's or any other bookie would be vulnerable and hence would change their prices to reflect any flow of money. It's different for the aforementioned matches or races as they can analyse form etc.

blueflame

killbillvol2 wrote: »

It takes a very small amount of money to move the market on something like this.

In my regular betting days if I'd put €100 on this type of market at decent odds they'd possibly have refused the bet and certainly would have slashed the odds.

Put €100 on Sean Power tomorrow and watch what happens!

To be honest I am surprised to hear that such a minimal amount of betting would have caused Paddy Power to suspend betting but as i say i am not a betting man but thanks for clearing that up.

PTH2009

deise08 wrote: »

Don't forget 'The Game' tonight on rte1 at 9.30.

Really enjoyed it

Lots of Waterford shots particularly from last year's All Ireland Semi and final

deise08

Don't forget 'The Game' tonight on rte1 at 9.30.

big_drive

Gardner wrote: »

the proposed selector i'd say is Paul Flynn. few of the senior players have had a run in with him on twitter.

Flynn comes across very bitter on Twitter. Every day a game is played he has a go at the ref. Really has a problem with refs for some reason

PTH2009

Wasant Paul Flynn involved with a good few of these players at Under 21 level and would prob knw the BG lads very well too

Imo Players have to have there say, as there the ones who will be breaking there backs for 7/8 months of the year. If the wrong man came in we should were some of the 'golden' generation packing it in. The retirement age is lowering in the GAA due to the crazy demands and players want what's best for them as a group

killbillvol2

blueflame wrote: »

Don't really follow twitter to be honest, and would have to wonder what kind of things might have been said to generate that kind of response.

Maybe i am totally wrong but would be very surprised to hear that there were personal or individual attacks involved, and more likely would have been aimed at the system of play or tactics involved. This being the case, I would expect a greater willingness from players to accept that others are entitled to voice an opinion. That being said, i don't know of the "tweets" so fair enough. Maybe the other rumours that Cork County Board put pressure on Pat Ryan to turn down the job are true and this is just a handy excuse, that is of course assuming he was ever offered the job in the first place..

On that point considering there was never any official comment or statements released and it was so early in the "hunt" for a new manager - one has to wonder just how much money was involved in the unusual betting patterns to lead Paddy Power to suspend taking bets on Pat Ryan and one also has to wonder the source of such funds. I am not a betting man but I would imagine it would require a reasonably sizable amount of betting to lead to this and thus the information would have had to come from what someone considered a very reliable source.

Once again an unnecessary controversy surrounds our county GAA - what a pity .

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It takes a very small amount of money to move the market on something like this.

In my regular betting days if I'd put €100 on this type of market at decent odds they'd possibly have refused the bet and certainly would have slashed the odds.

Put €100 on Sean Power tomorrow and watch what happens!

deiseach

Mods, can we rename this thread "Dúirt bean liom go ndúirt bean léi" please, thanks.

Mastermcgrath

PTH2009 wrote: »

Grown men fighting over social media and bringing it into real life

This day and age

Maybe they were so used to getting smoke blown up there arses by McGrath for 5 years they forgot what a bit of criticism was

PTH2009

Grown men fighting over social media and bringing it into real life

This day and age

Mastermcgrath

Gardner wrote: »

the proposed selector i'd say is Paul Flynn. few of the senior players have had a run in with him on twitter.

If that’s where we are at in this day and age it’s sad

blueflame

Don't really follow twitter to be honest, and would have to wonder what kind of things might have been said to generate that kind of response.

Maybe i am totally wrong but would be very surprised to hear that there were personal or individual attacks involved, and more likely would have been aimed at the system of play or tactics involved. This being the case, I would expect a greater willingness from players to accept that others are entitled to voice an opinion. That being said, i don't know of the "tweets" so fair enough. Maybe the other rumours that Cork County Board put pressure on Pat Ryan to turn down the job are true and this is just a handy excuse, that is of course assuming he was ever offered the job in the first place..

On that point considering there was never any official comment or statements released and it was so early in the "hunt" for a new manager - one has to wonder just how much money was involved in the unusual betting patterns to lead Paddy Power to suspend taking bets on Pat Ryan and one also has to wonder the source of such funds. I am not a betting man but I would imagine it would require a reasonably sizable amount of betting to lead to this and thus the information would have had to come from what someone considered a very reliable source.

Once again an unnecessary controversy surrounds our county GAA - what a pity .

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Stopitwillya

Who are these senior players?

Gardner

the proposed selector i'd say is Paul Flynn. few of the senior players have had a run in with him on twitter.

blueflame

I am being totally honest in saying I have no idea who the supposed selector is and i have not made any inquiries either

I would just be very disappointed to believe that if the new manager wanted to appoint a selector, that players would get up in arms without giving them a chance or having a really valid reason.

Again just my opinion but not sure if players, especially what is likely to be a limited number of players should have this level of power

Deisedozzer

blueflame wrote: »

From the reports i have heard I would like to have seen Pat Ryan given a shot, but the rumor i heard was that some players had expressed an unwillingness to work with some of his proposed selectors and he felt he could not work under those conditions.

If there is any truth in this rumour I would be very concerned , that players are willing to shoot selectors without even giving them a chance. I genuinely hope that it is only heresay and there is no truth in it, but if there is any level of truth in it, it would appear to me to once again undermine the strength and resolve of our county board.

I think it is fairly widely known who this proposed selector is and that certain players don't want to work with him but it's a disappointing development nonetheless if true.

cul beag

blueflame wrote: »

Two fantastic games this weekend by four teams who are managed by lads who would never have been considered big names and with the exception of Meyler who managed Wexford, would never have been likely to have been considered by other counties as potential managers.

These managers showed utmost faith in their young players and encouraged them to do what they love most - to hurl and to show no fear. The never say die attitude of these lads who adopted the approach that if we loose, we will die with our boots on was a joy to watch. There was never a case of keeping the score down and in each case the manager was not bigger than the team.

Time to learn a lesson, give the job to someone who is willing to let our players play. I honestly believe we have the players to compete on an equal footing with any of those four teams this weekend.

From the reports i have heard I would like to have seen Pat Ryan given a shot, but the rumor i heard was that some players had expressed an unwillingness to work with some of his proposed selectors and he felt he could not work under those conditions.

If there is any truth in this rumour I would be very concerned , that players are willing to shoot selectors without even giving them a chance. I genuinely hope that it is only heresay and there is no truth in it, but if there is any level of truth in it, it would appear to me to once again undermine the strength and resolve of our county board.

Just looking at how Limerick and Clare have progressed over the last 12 months, makes me believe that we only have a very short window of opportunity with this special bunch of players. The next three to four years are just going to be so competitive and personally I believe we have already wasted two to three years in our development of this bunch - my opinion only, but this appointment is crucial

You’re spot on regarding the players. That’s exactly why he has had a change of heart. Tail wagging the dog!

blueflame

Two fantastic games this weekend by four teams who are managed by lads who would never have been considered big names and with the exception of Meyler who managed Wexford, would never have been likely to have been considered by other counties as potential managers.

These managers showed utmost faith in their young players and encouraged them to do what they love most - to hurl and to show no fear. The never say die attitude of these lads who adopted the approach that if we loose, we will die with our boots on was a joy to watch. There was never a case of keeping the score down and in each case the manager was not bigger than the team.

Time to learn a lesson, give the job to someone who is willing to let our players play. I honestly believe we have the players to compete on an equal footing with any of those four teams this weekend.

From the reports i have heard I would like to have seen Pat Ryan given a shot, but the rumor i heard was that some players had expressed an unwillingness to work with some of his proposed selectors and he felt he could not work under those conditions.

If there is any truth in this rumour I would be very concerned , that players are willing to shoot selectors without even giving them a chance. I genuinely hope that it is only heresay and there is no truth in it, but if there is any level of truth in it, it would appear to me to once again undermine the strength and resolve of our county board.

Just looking at how Limerick and Clare have progressed over the last 12 months, makes me believe that we only have a very short window of opportunity with this special bunch of players. The next three to four years are just going to be so competitive and personally I believe we have already wasted two to three years in our development of this bunch - my opinion only, but this appointment is crucial

upthedeise16

Pat Ryan had a change of heart and used the excuse of being unable to commit the necessary time as his reason for not taking the job. It’s his loss as far as I’m concerned as there is a great group of players there with huge potential and the Waterford county board were willing to give him a chance to manage at intercounty level. I suspect the lure of the Cork job in the future may had an impact on his decision and having to manage against his native county.

There’s hasn’t been much talk of him but I hope Mattie Kenny gets it now at this stage with selectors from Waterford who have managerial experience themselves at club or county underage level and the importance of a good coaching team in terms of fitness, s&c and obviously hurling is huge. I’m sure he would bring in a good team around him for these roles as I believe he did with Cuala.

Kenny has won 2 club All-Ireland’s and is held in high regard in hurling circles but having said all this, there has been no indication of whether he has any interest or not but I reiterate, it’s an attractive job.

hurler on de ditch

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Mulbert wrote: »

Everything is assume!

Or fantasy, in the case of some people on here

Give it a rest boy ,will ya

thesaturdayman

So where are we now? Sean power /
Michael Ryan double act?

Mastermcgrath

Mulbert wrote: »

Everything is assume!

Or fantasy, in the case of some people on here

Mulbert

Everything is assume!

914

Everything is speculative at the moment. Until there is official confirmation of the managerial position we are non the wiser.

Deisedozzer

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Was there ever any official confirmation he is taking the job?

No but as we're all aware it's been widely reported on all mainstream media that he is expected to take the job yet nothing about him supposedly turning it down.