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Do other first world countries suffer from "junkie/scumbag" problem that Ireland does

amandafrom97

My American friends who came a week ago say they are a bit disappointed with Dublin only as they say for a capital city, it looks like a "dump".

In b4 "Go to a third world country in Africa and quit complaining". I highly doubt that the slums of SA or Kenya should be the benchmark for Ireland's success. I think we need to get our priorities straight. It's great to have the marriage and abortion referendum, but we need a referendum to kick out the piss poor politicians who tolerate the crap that is the city's abhorrent state and the junkies that walk among us.

Interesting, do you think junkies are the result of our piss poor city or vice versa?

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Autochange

corner of hells wrote: »

I'm just wondering did you manage to read what I posted ?

I'll help ya a little , I was enquiring where we could move the various supports not the individual addicts.

I went above and beyond. I gave you a solution.

Try_harder

San Fran was grim. NY too

corner of hells

Autochange wrote: »

Designate one of the islands and let them roam free over there. Move the travelers onto another one. Airdrop them supplies every now and then.

I'm just wondering did you manage to read what I posted ?

I'll help ya a little , I was enquiring where we could move the various supports not the individual addicts.

Subcomandante Marcos

amandafrom97 wrote: »

My American friends who came a week ago say they are a bit disappointed with Dublin only as they say for a capital city, it looks like a "dump".

In b4 "Go to a third world country in Africa and quit complaining". I highly doubt that the slums of SA or Kenya should be the benchmark for Ireland's success. I think we need to get our priorities straight. It's great to have the marriage and abortion referendum, but we need a referendum to kick out the piss poor politicians who tolerate the crap that is the city's abhorrent state and the junkies that walk among us.

Interesting, do you think junkies are the result of our piss poor city or vice versa?

Americans complaining about homeless people and addicts and junkies in Dublin obviously haven't seen much of America. Most major cities in the US are infinitely worse than Dublin ever was or will be. Washington DC has areas that would make slums in Nairobi blush.

riclad

Maybe other countrys have a large police presence in tourist area,s .
Dublin city centre has many drug treatment centres ,
in the city centre.
People may see 3 or 4 young people in a street and assume they are junkies ,when the are just dressed in a certain way, trainers ,baseball hats etc
the average junkie cant afford to live in dublin 4 or middle class area ,s .
So they tend to just go to the city centre.
Every western city has x per cent of people who use drugs to excess .

Chinasea

But who is flying the flag for the grafting tax payer. Where the hell are we supposed to live while we sponsor the dysfunctional? Crazy, madness.

Autochange

corner of hells wrote: »

That's assuming the addicts are not living in the city centre.
I get the point of moving supports and services out the city , but the reality is , it's not practical , most homeless accommodation is in the city centre , along with psychiatric support , the bigger needle exchanges , drop in centres , counselling services the list of supports is quite long .
Where would you move them too ?

Designate one of the islands and let them roam free over there. Move the travelers onto another one. Airdrop them supplies every now and then.

corner of hells

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This Indo article from 2014 says there are some 17 methodone clinics (still the case now?) located in and around the city centre. Unless these are relocated to the drug addict's home places, this problem won't be sorted in the city centre.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dublin-city-crime-blamed-on-drug-treatment-centre-30495779.html

That's assuming the addicts are not living in the city centre.
I get the point of moving supports and services out the city , but the reality is , it's not practical , most homeless accommodation is in the city centre , along with psychiatric support , the bigger needle exchanges , drop in centres , counselling services the list of supports is quite long .
Where would you move them too ?

Donald Trump

Chinasea wrote: »

Except for here. SERIOUSLY good Chinese food. Ask for the Chinese menu and choose from the pictures are just ask.
The stir fried cabbage and Pork. OMG.

Sichuan and Chilli King. 100 Parnell Street.

Yeah. Great bunch of Opium War lads

Feckin Brits and their imperialist drug dealing

Chinasea

Except for here. SERIOUSLY good Chinese food. Ask for the Chinese menu and choose from the pictures or just ask.
The stir fried cabbage and Pork. OMG.

Sichuan and Chilli King. 100 Parnell Street.

Donald Trump

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

There’s junkies in most cities. Our junkies look hideous though. Irish people tend to be grotesquely ugly, and injecting heroin doesn’t help either.

I assumed they were following Kate Moss trends?

The oul' heroin look worked out grand for her

Donald Trump

Morto for ya OP

Imagine being so desperate as to have to make friends with a Yank

[Deleted User]

Potatoeman wrote: »

Most capital cities push social housing outside the city center making them cleaner. They also put addiction clinics outside the city center too.

This Indo article from 2014 says there are some 17 methodone clinics (still the case now?) located in and around the city centre. Unless these are relocated to the drug addict's home places, this problem won't be sorted in the city centre.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dublin-city-crime-blamed-on-drug-treatment-centre-30495779.html

Achasanai

I imagine your American friends don't live in Washington DC, Baltimore, or Philadelphia.

Chinasea

seamus wrote: »

Go to San Francisco.

Basically Mecca for homeless and junkies.

Dublin is paradise in comparison, you'll be yearning for the peace and quiet of Talbot St

Just not true.

partyguinness

It must be borne in mind that Dublin CC is quite cramped and small. I can't think of another city which is so cramped with everyone on top of each other.

It is a small cramped city so scumbags are more obvious.

Collie D

Oh good. The thread the other day on the exact same topic slipped off the first page before I could get to post in it.

Thanks, OP.

May you for ever view posh women

Hitman3000

It's interesting though how our American friends can point out shortcomings in Ireland but don't see them at home.
Btw I never mentioned Compton.

jippo nolan

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

There’s junkies in most cities. Our junkies look hideous though. Irish people tend to be grotesquely ugly, and injecting heroin doesn’t help either.

There is a lot to be said for a well tanned junkie!

Cina

Just section off Talbot St. from the rest of the city and we'll be grand.

dav3

Yes, just like Dublin, there are many major cities around the world that have a large number of people with alcohol and drug addiction problems.

SEPT 23 1989

no money to be made from a clean junkie free city

too many vested interests need their daily court appearances

whisky_galore

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

There’s junkies in most cities. Our junkies look hideous though. Irish people tend to be grotesquely ugly, and injecting heroin doesn’t help either.

Generations of addiction, poor nutrition and possibly inbreeding.

Alun

In most European cities the back of the central train station, which are usually actually central, unlike here, tends to be where all the low-lifes congregate.

jester77

Other cities manage it better, it's not something you can just eliminate.

I was living in Frankfurt around 20 years ago when they decided to tackle the problem there. At the time there was a big problem in the area around the main train station. In tackling the problem they made it worse as it just spread around the city. They realised their mistake, back tracked and created a zone where it would be tolerated and these people would not get punished. They also set up clinics in this area to help them and it was a much bigger success than their initial program.

So instead of trying to eliminate the problem, maybe it would be better to try and help these people instead.

murpho999

It's amazing how so many people on Boards have friends from abroad who point out Ireland's shortcomings to them.

Dublin's junkie problem is no worse than any other city, especially compared to an American one.

Also, did they not go around the Georgian quarter or hop on a Dart along the coast. Dublin is not just O'Connell Street?

techdiver

I think a point is spectacularly missed by many posters on here. Yes we know many countries and cities have their anti-social/crime issues etc and that Ireland is by far an away one of the safest countries in the world, but, I have yet to travel to countries where the main thoroughfare is infested with drug addicts and scumbags/dealers the way Dublin is.

It's all fine and well saying - "Well go back to your own country etc", but that buries the head in the sand as to the issues facing Dublin as a city to both live in and a city to attract repeat tourism.

I've been to London, New York, Chicago, Vegas, Rome, Boston, Miami, etc etc and I have not seen such obvious social decay in the main tourist spots in those cities.

You can't compare a ride along with the LAPD in Compton to the main street in the Capital city of a country from a tourist point of view. That's shifting the goalposts and ignoring the crux of the issue.

Hitman3000

amandafrom97 wrote:

My American friends who came a week ago say they are a bit disappointed with Dublin only as they say for a capital city, it looks like a "dump".

You American friends are idiots. My brother is a cop in L.A.. Now if you wish to pass on their details I will ask him to give them a 'ride along' so they can see what a true dump parts of L.A. are and to meet some of the delightful residents. Plus side is they don't even need their passports.

Potatoeman

Most capital cities push social housing outside the city center making them cleaner. They also put addiction clinics outside the city center too.

[Deleted User]

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I suppose other cities hide them from the tourists better, Dublin gives them their own express commuter line to the city centre.

With convenient stops at the Four Courts and St James's Hospital. God bless the Luas Red Line.