AndrewJRenko wrote: » How many road deaths involved cycling in the dark without lights? How many road deaths involved kids crossing the road incorrectly?
meeeeh wrote: » You are deflecting again. Are you now against teaching kids how to cross the road safely because they are not at fault? What dies it matter if they are at fault or not if they are dead. And expect me to provide stats, you quote a number without any other break down of numbers and then expect others to provide them for. Again you are not worried about road deaths at all, you use them to deflect. Btw I absolutely despise people who use mobiles (fines for that should be comparable to drink driving) while driving or break lights but that doesn't give me an excuse to break rules while cycling.
meeeeh wrote: » You are deflecting again. Are you now against teaching kids how to cross the road safely because they are not at fault? What does it matter if they are at fault or not if they are dead. And expect me to provide stats, you quote a number without any other break down of numbers and then expect others to provide them for. Again you are not worried about road deaths at all, you use them to deflect. Btw I absolutely despise people who use mobiles (fines for that should be comparable to drink driving) while driving or break lights but that doesn't give me an excuse to break rules while cycling.
xckjoo wrote: » It's drilled into children how to cross the road safely. We've been doing it since at least the 80's. But the onus is and should always be on the (adult) driver to drive at a speed and with sufficient care to respond to unexpected situations. The person in charge of the giant metal machine capable of turning the human body to mush should bare the brunt of the responsibility. Spouting on about how kids need to be taught how to cross the road properly and cyclists breaking rules just makes you sound like you feel like they're at fault if they get killed on the roads. That might not be your intention, but it's how it comes across.
07Lapierre wrote: » Agree anyone remember this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlXwumQxrRw
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » I was a kid in the UK - we had the Tufty Club and then Darth Vader and Alvin Stardust teaching us road safety. I'm terrified to this day not to cross safely!
meeeeh wrote: » Oh right the old victim blaming excuse. This is very predictable, fislrst is will anyone think of the relatives and now I'm blaming kids for the accidents. It's just another type of an excuse to do nothing.
Ellie Hallowed Acorn wrote: » Do you have proof of that? It's in the RSA stats is it?
The Kop wrote: » AngryJRenko deflecting? Nah never...... Who'd a thunk it...
Mackmatic wrote: » Nothing worse than coming around a corner and seeing a load of big cyclists arses strewn accross the road with little to no room to pass :rolleyes:
Mackmatic wrote: » Some cyclist have terrible attitudes on the roads, although so do motorists.
07Lapierre wrote: » Exactly! thats the point! you SEE them! nothing worse than cycling and having a motorists approach from behind at 100+kph and not see you! :mad:
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Are you sure about the 'nothing worse'? How about coming round the corner and finding a herd of cattle on the road? Or a couple of crashed cars, with some victims still in the crashed cars and others standing close by? Or a scout troop on a hike? Or a parent cycling while minding their kid cycling on the path (one mum was killed recently in this scenario)? Or a horse-rider or two? There's a reason why motorists must be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear.
xckjoo wrote: » Just telling you how you're coming across. Untwist the knickers. The most practical solution to the problem is to improve driving standards. Do you disagree with that?
Mackmatic wrote: » I cycled a lot a few years back and I loved it. Of course I didn't wear that lycra with the sponsor type labels all over it like a wanker but i see the appeal of the hobby. Some cyclist have terrible attitudes on the roads, although so do motorists. Nothing worse than coming around a corner and seeing a load of big cyclists arses strewn accross the road with little to no room to pass :rolleyes: On the topic of unsafe driving. I see just as many gob****es in cars looking at their phones as I see gob****e cyclists flying through red l8ights and acting the idiot. Education about not using your phone in your lap in traffic wont change anything. People simply dont care. No ammount of funding stupid telly ads is gonna change that.
P_1 wrote: » A change in the law. Garda sees you on the phone when driving instant 3 points and the phone confiscated until a fine is paid. Watch as the numbers on their phone driving plummets.
meeeeh wrote: » Why would I disagree with that. Only I would expand it to all road users, you think it should be only for others. Btw I also crashed into a cyclist training for a race in T junction and damaged his bike. I was 13 or 14 and he made sure my father compensated him for damage but since I was only a child it was surely victim blaming and I shouldn't be responsible.
xckjoo wrote: » Thanks for telling me what I think . Thoughts are hard. They're like words and pictures, but in my head.
meeeeh wrote: » It probably wasn't your intention but that's how your posts come accross. You see I can interpret posts the way you do.
Embossy wrote: » Cycling - where else can a middle aged lad dress up in the tightest shiny Lycra that leaves nothing to the imagination and hit the road?
AndrewJRenko wrote: » It's a nice idea, but to be honest, if they would just enforce the existing law, that would make a huge difference. I reported a driver to Gardai a few months with video footage showing the driving handling/using the phone at four different occasions over the course of a few minutes in traffic. I saw closely enough to identify the style of phone - a Blackberry style phone with a physical keyboard, unusual enough these days. Gardai declined to prosecute, as it could have been 'any device' he had in his hands, apparently. I asked the Gardai what other kinds of devices he had in mind, and he told me that he didn't have to answer to me. It would also make a huge difference if they just complied with the law themselves and stopped giving bad example. I saw a Garda van driving in slow traffic recently with both driver and passenger holding a phone up in front of their eyes. When challenged, the passenger explained that 'he's looking for an address' which apparently is a good enough reason for it.
Mackmatic wrote: » Its a turn of phrase. Although I think you knew that but still wanted to smugly make your point.
Boom_Bap wrote: » How do bob-sleds far on the road?
The Kop wrote: » Going around reporting people and challenging Gardai.
The Kop wrote: » I'd say your ****e smells of roses does it?
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Do you not report or challenge people driving dangerously? Ah I get it now - you just the big man here online, challenging and telling people what to do, but when it comes to the real world, you're a big ol pussycat. Definitely not, according to the other half. How about yourself?
