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Shane Lowry - 2019 Champion Golfer of The Year (note first post please for posting guidance)

Trampas

With Shane going to be starting his first full year on the tour what does he need to do to make him a better golfer?

I see he is 121st in scrambling so I guess his short game needs a touch up.

I say fitness is a key also.

Thankfully he has exemptions which should take some pressure of his game to allow his improve areas of his game he feels need strengthening.

MOD EDIT: Zero discussions around Shane's weight or body shape, any such posts will result in warnings, thank you

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FixdePitchmark

GreeBo wrote: »

You mean the echo chamber and thanks-whoring attitude that's being allowed to stifle any debate?

Or perhaps the plethora of posts that attack the poster rather than the content of the post?

Item #1 on the Agenda for Moyvalley I reckon.

To be honest GreeBo - the boards Golf Society and people who typically post are different groups of forum users. Maybe you have been gone too long

Item number 1 for Moyvalley would be Captains Day or Ryder Jug.

No - I love a bit of debate and different opinions, great to have you back , a bit of life in forum. Your Rory is not the definition of "World Class" was entertaining. He almost won the major in question

, with bad wedge play and strong long game.

The issue I would have is you often multi quote and get focused on very small parts of posts to back up your view. You avoid direct questions that challenge your argument - I would define that as fairly stifling in debate. A bit of an internal echo chamber.

On the point of a caddy - would agree not a fan of family and friend caddies.
But over the years I've softened on that. It is not like they are putting a mate who hasn't swung a club in their lives - they are top top amateurs. Technology and information has totally changed the caddy game too, any of us could walk out on a course and give a fairly accurate distance with the modern pro course booklet. Gps / Laser in practice rounds and walks.

Knowing your pros numbers is not brain surgery
Lasers have helped here too
Intimate knowledge of their game is as easy when you are a brother or best mate. Some of these would in fact know your game over a longer period than picking up a new pro caddy.

But the idea that a caddy thinking he is winning events - the likes of Steve Williams - has placed the caddy in an over vaulted position. Yes there are top top caddies - but equally their are pros that don't want or need much input.

There are a few freak exceptions - but tour pros with caddies are not just created - golf is a game of hours and hours of work alone , playing along, practicing alone, golfers know their game backwards. Yes when they get to the top top - they can forget all this info , but it is very easy for them to jump back into club selection. You often hear them go over the figures and change the club themselves.

In the 80s/90s it wasn't unusual for caddies to be picked up at the event or be looking for one the week of a top pro event.

If a pro knows his game
You have the distance
You have his distance
You have walked the course
You have played the course with the pro on multiple days / rounds.
Are a + level golfer.

You are a long long way there - I'd fancy it myself - but would use an electric trolley

It is very easy for a very good golfer. the hardest thing is the physical part.

charlieIRL

Lads, will ye have a read back over some of your posts there, i have and i'm telling you i'm having a hard time not to ban a lot of posters from here with what's been said.

I try to give the benefit of doubt as generally this place needs very little moderation thankfully but I can tell you from this moment on, any further abuse / rubbish / needless arguing is going to end up with cards - red not yellow. Final warning.

GreeBo

Keano wrote: »

You’re writing a 31 year old off. The recent Open winner is 35 and he had a rough few years. Not saying Shane can reach that height but very naive to write off someone who’s still young.

I'm still waiting for you to show me where I am writing anyone off?

Golfgorfield

By the looks of things here, no tour pro should employ any caddy unless the new caddy has been a former major winner, world no1 or similar. Anything less than that and they will be deemed unsuitable and under-qualified. The manure talk is strong here these days.

Ive had loads of people caddy for me over the years in Championships and on Teams, and tbh once the person does the simple things, and to be fair ive often stepped back and taken advice from a caddy that might never dream of paying at any level, Why? Because 2 opinions are better than 1 regardless.
The bottom line is, only one person can pull the club, make a final decision and hit the ball.

Keano

You said

maybe you think Shane has years to sort his game out, I dont think he does.

Me and the rest of the world read that as you think a 31 year olds career is ending soon but alas you’ll tell me different.

GreeBo

Keano wrote: »

You’re writing a 31 year old off. The recent Open winner is 35 and he had a rough few years. Not saying Shane can reach that height but very naive to write off someone who’s still young.

Keano wrote: »

You said

maybe you think Shane has years to sort his game out, I dont think he does.

Me and the rest of the world read that as you think a 31 year olds career is ending soon but alas you’ll tell me different.

I believe his PGA & European Tour exemption for winning the Bridgestone runs out after 2018 season ends?

So he will lose his card unless he starts playing better.
He only has until the end of the season to do that, i.e. not years.

Therefore, he doesn't have years to sort out his game because unless he sorts it out PDQ, he isnt going to have a tour to play on next year.
For me anyway, the above scenario would lead me to believe that he doesnt have the time left this year to both sort his game out and hope his little brother can learn how to be a professional tour caddy. He needs a top quality, experienced guy on the bag who can help him play better rather than him helping his caddy.

That's totally different than me saying his career is ending, I don't even know how you came to that conclusion tbh.

Keano

As I thought. Ok.

kiers47

A good idea playing this week anyway before the Bridgestone. He obviously knows the pressure is on so hopefully he can get into a good place before the end of the year. The limited field also next week will surely help and would be great to see him bounce back strong.

Has he played this event before? I wouldnt think so but thats a guess.

GreeBo

Keano wrote: »

As I thought. Ok.

Is that an apology?

Pogue eile

kiers47 wrote: »

Has he played this event before? I wouldnt think so but thats a guess.

Missed the cut last year, thats the only time he played it AFAIK.

kiers47

Pogue eile wrote: »

Missed the cut last year, thats the only time he played it AFAIK.

Ya good spot. I didnt realise.

Actually now that im thinking about it. The Bridgestone win doesnt actually get him an exemption to the event ? It is only top 50 and some other random exemptions. So he is goosed and wont be playing that right?

GreeBo

kiers47 wrote: »

Ya good spot. I didnt realise.

Actually now that im thinking about it. The Bridgestone win doesnt actually get him an exemption to the event ? It is only top 50 and some other random exemptions. So he is goosed and wont be playing that right?

Nope, he wont be there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_WGC-Bridgestone_Invitational#Field

kiers47

kiers47 wrote: »

Ya good spot. I didnt realise.

Actually now that im thinking about it. The Bridgestone win doesnt actually get him an exemption to the event ? It is only top 50 and some other random exemptions. So he is goosed and wont be playing that right?

Ya it seems that way alright.
https://thegolfnewsnet.com/golfnewsnetteam/2017/07/28/2017-wgc-bridgestone-invitational-field-qualify-earn-exemptions-106121/

Qualification is likely same to above except dates moved on a year.

Ah well this week and then onto the PGA i guess.

SeeMoreBut

I think he is exempt on euro tour forever with WGC under cat 2 but PGA I think he's in trouble. Probably get a few invites on PGA tour but Euro tour after Dubai wont be very appealing to him until April.

Small ranking points on offer and thus harder to get back into top 50 in world as few very in top 50 would be full time euro tour players.

On caddy he probably needs some guidance on the bag on some shot selection. If his brother can do that or not time will tell

GreeBo

SeeMoreBut wrote: »

I think he is exempt on euro tour forever with WGC under cat 2 but PGA I think he's in trouble. Probably get a few invites on PGA tour but Euro tour after Dubai wont be very appealing to him until April.

Small ranking points on offer and thus harder to get back into top 50 in world as few very in top 50 would be full time euro tour players.

Afaik the european exemption was also for 3 years and hence expires end of this year.
I think he (or in fact anyone) will find it hard after the highs of being on the main tours, but especially the PGA tour. He might go to web.com rather than move home again so soon?

SeeMoreBut wrote: »

On caddy he probably needs some guidance on the bag on some shot selection. If his brother can do that or not time will tell

I'm sure his brother can learn how to be a caddy, but can he do it in the next few weeks?

Trampas

GreeBo wrote: »

Afaik the european exemption was also for 3 years and hence expires end of this year.
I think he (or in fact anyone) will find it hard after the highs of being on the main tours, but especially the PGA tour. He might go to web.com rather than move home again so soon?

I'm sure his brother can learn how to be a caddy, but can he do it in the next few weeks?

My personal opinion I don’t think he should have his brother on the bag

GreeBo

Trampas wrote: »

My personal opinion I don’t think he should have his brother on the bag

If he was flying it and decided he wanted a change I'd have no real issue with using the brother while he searched out a full time caddy, I just think its another problem he didn't need right now.

davo10

Keano wrote: »

As I thought. Ok.

He's right. Lowry has until August 19 to get into the top 125 or he is off the PGA Tour next year, he is currently 168. I'm not sure but I think he now lives in the US so that would be a serious jolt to his career.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/golf/shane-lowry-puts-brother-on-bag-in-bid-for-revival-to-save-pga-tour-card-37148067.html

Minderbinder

davo10 wrote: »

Keano wrote: »

As I thought. Ok.

He's right. Lowry has until August 19 to get into the top 125 or he is off the PGA Tour next year, he is currently 168. I'm not sure but I think he now lives in the US so that would be a serious jolt to his career.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/golf/shane-lowry-puts-brother-on-bag-in-bid-for-revival-to-save-pga-tour-card-37148067.html

From following Seamus Power’s progression on tour that sort of jump up the rankings will take a very good run of finishes in the top 15 or 20, or else maybe a top three finish.

The FedEx seems to be weighted very strongly towards getting top 5 and above finishes and anything outside top 15 is very slow progress.

Unless something changes drastically I can’t see him retaining his card.

davo10

Unfortunately, unless he reaches 125 by 19/08, he doesn't qualify for the FedEx Cup comps, the Wyndham Championship that weekend is the last tournament of the regular season so he has 3 weeks to save his card. He probably needs a win to be sure.

kiers47

davo10 wrote: »

Unfortunately, unless he reaches 125 by 19/08, he doesn't qualify for the FedEx Cup comps, the Wyndham Championship that weekend is the last tournament of the regular season so he has 3 weeks to save his card.

4 weeks I make it. All be it next has a lower purse with lesspoints as it is an alternate event.

Minderbinder

He has 4 tournaments is what he means.

bren2001

davo10 wrote: »

Four weeks from today is 23/08 if insist on being pedantic and posting about it, regular season finishes on 19/08.

His point is there are 4 more tournaments for him to earn points i.e. there are 4 weekends between now and the 19/08.

kiers47

davo10 wrote: »

Four weeks from today is 23/08 if insist on being pedantic and posting about it, regular season finishes on 19/08.

Jesus man you have some chip on your shoulder. As was pointed out I was referring to the number of tournaments.

I thought we were past the bickering in this thread.

bren2001

davo10 wrote: »

No I'm pretty sure he posted that there are four weeks, yip, there it is. I'm confident most posters understood the number of weekends/tournaments. If you are going to be pedantic, it helps to be right.

If anything, you're the only one being pedantic here. In fact, when I read your post I thought he had 3 tournaments to save his card. I was glad it was clarified. I think most people would use the phrase X weeks referring to X number of tournaments as opposed to literal weeks.

However, if you're determined to have some weird small victory over the OPs use of English, that's your prerogative.

Minderbinder

davo10 wrote: »

bren2001 wrote: »

His point is there are 4 more tournaments for him to earn points i.e. there are 4 weekends between now and the 19/08.

No I'm pretty sure he posted that there are four weeks, yip, there it is. I'm confident most posters understood the number of weekends/tournaments. If you are going to be pedantic, it helps to be right. Personally I see the need to post that there are three weeks and 3 days after today.
No chip on shoulder, responding to your post.

If you say 3 weeks on a golf forum it basically means 3 tournaments. Why not use the lunar calendar and say he has until the next full moon if you really want to complicate things.

Golfgraffix

davo10 wrote: »

No I'm pretty sure he posted that there are four weeks, yip, there it is. I'm confident most posters understood the number of weekends/tournaments. If you are going to be pedantic, it helps to be right. Personally I didn't see the need to post that there are three weeks and 3 days after today.
No chip on shoulder, responding to your post.

Only 5 weeks until you’re back to school, hope you enjoyed your summer break, remember be nice to the other 1st years in the yard.

kiers47

Since when has it been a mortal sin to just admit you were wrong and let us all carry on with our lives.
I wasn't trying to bring shame on you or your family I was merely pointing out that I thought you were mistaken about the number of weeks(as was pointed out that is how people refer to tournaments on here). It wasn't an attack as you seem to think I was merely making it clearer as it seems to be for everyone but you.

This is my last post on the matter. Be good.

Keano

Behave children, attack the posts and not the poster.

RikkFlair

What does Shane need to do retain Euro tour status for next year?? Not being a member of either main tour is a bit alarming...