Frustration at the competitive limitations he was experiencing at one point led Fernando to stipulate that he wanted a veto over technical recruitments, a point confirmed by a source inside Ferrari in 2014. But probably of more significance in this case was the atmosphere the driver’s frustration was lending to the team, regardless of how hard he was working. “I had the feeling that Fernando had got it into his mind that he could never win with Ferrari,” said Montezemolo, “and that if he was in a Mercedes he could win with one hand and this was very demotivating for everyone. Let me be clear: I believe Alonso is probably the best driver in the world even today – certainly on a Sunday. Maybe not in qualifying, where I think Hamilton and Vettel are maybe faster over one lap, but in the race he is unbelievable – a machine. But we needed motivation and it made me think what we needed for the future. I recalled that when I was trying to convince Michael [Schumacher] to return with us after Felipe’s injury in 2009 he was saying, ‘the guy you need for the future is Vettel’.”
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Harika wrote: » Raikkönen in den Lotus doesn't count? 4th in Constructors Rosberg 2012 neither? 5th in Constructors
Anjobe wrote: » Opinion, not fact. The counter opinion is that most of the time after 2008 the McLaren was an uncompetitive dog, and may not have been capable of winning anything with a different driver. Also a fact that Vettel has spent more time in a dominant car.
H3llR4iser wrote: » Hamilton: 2014 to 2016, when unless some disaster happened or some big setup mistake was made, only him and Rosberg had a realistic chance at winning; Last season Merc was still the best but Ferrari posed a challenge. This year, they're more or less evenly matched.
We do agree that neither of them, however, had a lot of real "midfield woes", unlike most other drivers.
Anyway, my point was punctually demonstrated by these replies, disregarding objective, verifiable and publicly available data as "opinion" - most of the arguments made in here are circumstantial, made up of thin air and based on preference, support and bias. Fanboy arguments, in one word.
Inviere wrote: » All true, great post. The only thing I'd add to it is that Lewis had far tougher opposition in Rosberg, than Vettel did with Webber (I say this as a fan of Webber!). Webber, once defeated in 2010, took the biggest back seat going, and never again pushed Seb for the title despite being in the same car. Rosberg had all the tools to beat Lewis, which he eventually did, but it took some doing.
H3llR4iser wrote: » It is however correct to say that indeed both Lewis and Seb DID drive top cars, capable at least of race wins, for the vast majority of their F1 careers so far.
H3llR4iser wrote: » regardless of Brundle, Sky and Hamilton fans, Nico has been a top class driver. No shame for anybody being beaten by him.
Inviere wrote: » I love objective debates, and loathe subjective bias....that stuff belongs in the schoolyard.
meeeeh wrote: » Actually all debaters are subjective and there is nothing objective in opinion. While I trust some opinions more than others it is still subjective stuff.
Prisoner 6753 wrote: » Brundle is the best commentator out there since Murray Walker retired, my only issue is how he and the rest of Sky treat Hamilton as a god and how dare anyone upset their darling Lewis.
meeeeh wrote: » I don't think Brundle is that bad at all but he comes in package with Croft who is.
astrofluff wrote: » Bit of a shít day hearing that. Very sad. There'll be a dark cloud over motorsport this week. RIP Sergio.
Inviere wrote: » Very much agreed. I find Croft difficult to listen to, and Ted, not sure why, but I've no time for Ted at all. I guess I'm still sore about the breakup of the Brundle, Coulthard, and Jake Humphrey team on BBC....them's were the days
skipper_G wrote: » And he's very fond of throwing out wild speculation and presenting it as a quasi fact
Inviere wrote: » Very much so, it was him if I recall highlighting the bag of dry ice on the top of the Ferrari FOM airbox camera
flazio wrote: » there is no better voice of F1 then Ben Edwards and the really sharp eyes of David Coulthard. (seriously, that man never misses a thing)
Inviere wrote: » Just on this, was Brundle harsh on Rosberg? I truthfully don't recall. He's the one voice on Sky I do actually value...
H3llR4iser wrote: » He was the one constantly banging on about him not being deserving to be a World Champion, albeit in a more lampshaded way. Nico himself jokingly points it out sometimes when he does Sky coverage (I've just found out he works often with Sky Italy, I wonder why...). As surprising as he sounds, Crofty kept more neutral on the whole thing. He just loves to make noise, and his constant mention of pointless statistics about Hamilton is indeed grating. Brundle started well with Walker, but he kinda got annoying in later years - his bias is extremely clear and I guess it can indeed be said he was "dragged in" by Crofty's Daily Mail style commentary. My favourite "Brundlism" remains the claim that mirrors are "as useful as ashtrays", despite overwhelming evidence available now that they aren't - search any of those in-helmet cam clips and take a look
