vectra wrote: » Dani is decent but I wouldnt put him in the same league as seb.
Inviere wrote: » I genuinely feel that'd be a mistake. He's more than decent, he's championship material.
vectra wrote: » We will agree to disagree. If he is that good, why isnt he further up the points than Max? Especially after the horrid start Max had to this season.
Inviere wrote: » Danny has had a torrid run of reliability. Factor in Max's dreadful run of incidents, and they're kinda balanced out. I'm not even comparing Danny against Seb from 2014, I feel he's been more than impressive enough on his own merits since then. Some of his overtakes under braking have been nothing short of art.
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Harika wrote: » 2007 Went into a car that didn’t win a race the year before. Nearly became champion with the Ferrari at least equal. 2008 Became champion with the Ferrari equal 2009 Third best car, miles away from the Brawn and behind the RedBull still managed a win 2010 Third best car, into the championship hunt till the last race 2011 Third best car, still won 2012 Third best car, still won 2013 Moved to a team that won a race in 2012, third strongest team maybe, won 2014-2018 In the best team, only beaten by this team mate in 2016 Every season in the top 5 Debatable but 40% in best car, 20% against comparable cars and 40% in underdeveloped cars.
Harika wrote: » You don't have to divide by something, just look at the win percentage here: https://www.driverdb.com/championships/statistics/formula-1/ Removing the Indy racers, he is 4th behind Fangio, Ascari and Clarke.
JPF82 wrote: » Ah here. Rosberg was a decent driver and apart from Lewis having engine failure while leading in Malaysia, a race in which Rosberg was 5th, Lewis would have won the title that year too. Over criticising Rosberg to further knock Hamilton. Well, if that's how you want to do it... All the best drivers get the best cars too. Fangio had team mates that would give up their cars for him mid race, back when that was allowed. Senna and Prost, massive car advantage there at Mclaren. Seconds per lap faster than the next team. Ditto the Mansell title in 92 and Prost in 93 with Williams. Schumacher had lapdog teammates. Buttons title, blown diffuser so only beat barrichello. He should be embarrassed by calling himself a world champion. I jest of course.
Inviere wrote: » As opposed to Vettel's (not counting reserve and 3rd drives) mere two years in a mid field Torro Rosso, before moving to a massively competitive RB for 2009, and been in championship winning and contending cars since? C'mon...
ELM327 wrote: » I don't think anyone would have argued before Mercedes domination of the sport, that Rosberg was even close to the top tier of F1. It would be like Brundle winning a WC because Jordan happened to develop the top car.
ELM327 wrote: » Most of those years (excepting the first couple of Mercedes years) he has had either the best or joint best car by your own admission. I don't see how that proves your point. Winning a race is irrelevant, sure Maldonado won a race in 2012. It's WC titles that count Yes, someone in the best car for the majority of his career he should have a best win percentage. It's difficult to compare so far back in different eras(particularly since I only really began fulltime watching the f1 in 1994) but I'm sure Schumacher would be ahead of him if he didn't have the mediocre years when he was in a bad mercedes car and he was past his prime.
Shelflife wrote: » Is there any reputable site selling tickets - general admission to the Hungarian GP ? I see they are sold out on the official site but there seems to be plenty available on other sites. Can anyone recommend where to purchase them ?
vectra wrote: » Not my point. Dani was ( presumably compared to Vettel for his 14 year ) What has that got to do with present day? Dani is decent but I wouldnt put him in the same league as seb.
Gintonious wrote: » No one said it had anything to do with present day though, the earlier statement was "Vettel is in a league of his own and would make any team mate look inadequate." His form against Vettel (who was reigning champ and No.1 in the same team at the time) clearly puts doubt to that statement. I'd easily have Dani in the top drivers on the grid right now, lest we forget he held of Vettel in the superior Ferrari, with a broken car in Monaco. He is very much in the same league as Vettel. Here is is overtaking Bottas, Hamilton and Vettel...what league was that? :rolleyes:
H3llR4iser wrote: » Actually, yes - he was tipped to be a WDC in the making when he raced at Williams and most lamented him losing the win at the infamous 2008 Singapore GP. Position furthered by the three seasons he drove alongside Schumacher. The "mediocre driver" stigma was mostly Brundle's and Sky making when he became "the enemy" because he was the only guy who could reasonably beat their beloved Lewis...
skipper_G wrote: » So according to your logic only World Championships won by a driver not in the best car really count. The the list of drivers to win the World Championship in a car that was not the winning constructor is pretty small: Driver|Year Lewis Hamilton|2008 Mika Hakkinen|1999 Michael Schumacher|1994 Alain Prost|1986 Keke Rosberg|1982 Nelson Piquet|1981, 1983 James Hunt|1976 Jackie Stewart|1973 Mike Hawthorn|1958 Funnily the last person to do it was Lewis Hamilton
Gintonious wrote: » I'd easily have Dani in the top drivers on the grid right now, lest we forget he held of Vettel in the superior Ferrari, with a broken car in Monaco. He is very much in the same league as Vettel.
ELM327 wrote: » Maybe I've been brainwashed by Sky then, but as a seb fan I don't think so! Not "only World Championships won by a driver not in the best car" but that it is a good indicator. IMO - Mclaren would have won the constructors championship in 2008 if lewis didn't have the dead weight teammate he had in kovaleinen (sp). Similarly in 99 Mclaren for Hakkinen had by far and away the best car. It was more unreliable, and afair they crashed into each other?? 94 was a difficult year for all, but schumacher was in a class of his own once Senna unfortunately passed.
Gintonious wrote: » https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1022054537778089984 This is really sad news, unfortunately Sergio Marchionne has passed away. RIP.
vectra wrote: » Nobody including myself is doubting Dani is a good driver, That comment about keeping Vettel behind in Monaco with a broken car is not really a valid comparison as Monaco is not really an overtaking track , nor is it a power track, On saying that then, didn't Dani keep the whole field behind him? Also, Go back a couple of races ( 2 or 3 ) where Kimi was stuck behind a Red Bull, I think Max's car, He stated that of all the cars he passed, it felt really weird behind the RB, car. He just couldnt do anything. The main reason for Vettels fall back was the change of design and aero in the 2014 car, ( lack of blown diffuser and mapping )
5. Reduction in nose and chassis height Chassis height has been reduced from 625mm to 525mm while the height of the nose has been shortened from 550mm to 185mm. With these reductions the drivers will notice a subtle change as their feet will be around 100mm lower in the car than in 2013. 6. Narrow front wing There is a small change in the design to avoid cars' front wing puncturing the rear wheel of the competitor's car in the case of a backending -- the width of the front wing has been reduced from 1,800mm to 1,650mm. Each side of the front wing has been moved 75mm inwards, which will result in the overall reduction of 150mm in the front wing.
skipper_G wrote: » Seems to me you're moving the goalposts again to make the facts fit your agenda.
Inviere wrote: » Lets just skip over this then yeah?
