muckwarrior wrote: » personally I don't think either are the best driver on the grid
Anjobe wrote: » Also a fact that Vettel has spent more time in a dominant car.
H3llR4iser wrote: » Hamilton drove competitive cars, capable at least of winning the odd race his whole career - fact.
H3llR4iser wrote: » Vettel spent more time in midfield cars at Toro Rosso, and actually won a race for them on merit - fact.
H3llR4iser wrote: » Let me put it this way: Hamilton drove competitive cars, capable at least of winning the odd race his whole career - fact. Vettel spent more time in midfield cars at Toro Rosso, and actually won a race for them on merit - fact. Maldonado shares with Vettel the peculiarity of being the only driver to win a race in a non-frontrunner car in recent times - also a fact. Make what you wish of those
ELM327 wrote: » Can we have a new term for someone who uses phrases like this? Like "godwinning" but for "derision and condescending"
Inviere wrote: » Man, just stop, you're embarrassing yourself at this stage. Vettel, Ricciardo, Max, Fernando, and Lewis, all have that tiny little bit extra that makes them a bit special. End of. Lewis hasn't been in the best car his whole career, from '09 to the end of '2013 clearly shows that. His 07/08 car was a winning car, but not dominant by any stretch. His 14/15/16 car was dominant, but he still had a team mate who fought very hard against him. This years car is a challenger, but again, is not dominant either. Sebastian has been top tier cars for most of his career also. All of the above mentioned drivers have won races in cars that haven't been the best on the grid. Lewis' win percentage is actuary information that demonstrates his standard of driving, regardless of how many races are in a season, furthered by Vettel being in top cars just as long. Ricciardo has shown great speed, overtaking ability, and racecraft, he's shown he can handle the pressure, has the hunger, has the fire when it counts, and absolutely is able to compete with the very best of them. Max has shown the same, if lacking a bit in experience. That will come. Anything further than the above is merely school yard bs saying superman would beat batman.
Gintonious wrote: » https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1022054537778089984 This is really sad news, unfortunately Sergio Marchionne has passed away. RIP.
Joeface wrote: » your for getting , Verstappen go the upgraded RB car that season in his first race and the Merc's did a huge favour for him . Still a good win but was kinda gifted .
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Joeface wrote: » Therefore Dani Kyatt is number one
ELM327 wrote: » I was speaking about winning titles. Maldonado won in 2012 in a (not best car) williams, does that put him on Hamilton's level :eek:
Inviere wrote: » Also, the point about Ricciardo not being in a top team yet is wholly contradictory. It simply proves he's won races in a car that hasn't been the best on the grid, a measure used previously to attempt to berate Lewis' drives :rolleyes:
skipper_G wrote: » Seems to me you're moving the goalposts again to make the facts fit your agenda.
Inviere wrote: » As opposed to Vettel's (not counting reserve and 3rd drives) mere two years in a mid field Torro Rosso, before moving to a massively competitive RB for 2009, and been in championship winning and contending cars since? C'mon...
Inviere wrote: » Lets just skip over this then yeah?
vectra wrote: » Nobody including myself is doubting Dani is a good driver, That comment about keeping Vettel behind in Monaco with a broken car is not really a valid comparison as Monaco is not really an overtaking track , nor is it a power track, On saying that then, didn't Dani keep the whole field behind him? Also, Go back a couple of races ( 2 or 3 ) where Kimi was stuck behind a Red Bull, I think Max's car, He stated that of all the cars he passed, it felt really weird behind the RB, car. He just couldnt do anything. The main reason for Vettels fall back was the change of design and aero in the 2014 car, ( lack of blown diffuser and mapping )
5. Reduction in nose and chassis height Chassis height has been reduced from 625mm to 525mm while the height of the nose has been shortened from 550mm to 185mm. With these reductions the drivers will notice a subtle change as their feet will be around 100mm lower in the car than in 2013. 6. Narrow front wing There is a small change in the design to avoid cars' front wing puncturing the rear wheel of the competitor's car in the case of a backending -- the width of the front wing has been reduced from 1,800mm to 1,650mm. Each side of the front wing has been moved 75mm inwards, which will result in the overall reduction of 150mm in the front wing.
ELM327 wrote: » Maybe I've been brainwashed by Sky then, but as a seb fan I don't think so! Not "only World Championships won by a driver not in the best car" but that it is a good indicator. IMO - Mclaren would have won the constructors championship in 2008 if lewis didn't have the dead weight teammate he had in kovaleinen (sp). Similarly in 99 Mclaren for Hakkinen had by far and away the best car. It was more unreliable, and afair they crashed into each other?? 94 was a difficult year for all, but schumacher was in a class of his own once Senna unfortunately passed.
Gintonious wrote: » I'd easily have Dani in the top drivers on the grid right now, lest we forget he held of Vettel in the superior Ferrari, with a broken car in Monaco. He is very much in the same league as Vettel.
