astradave wrote: » Luckhurst going totally against the grain and saying United hoping to bring in Alderweirald and an attacker and then a LB only if they have funds remaining
jayo26 wrote: » This makes most sense to be honest.
United remain interested in Toby Alderweireld and have been in dialogue with Tottenham, having begun discussions over a possible £55million deal in May. Alderweireld began the summer as United's preferred central defensive target but the club are pessimistic about their chances of signing the 29-year-old, whose valuation has increased after a fine World Cup with Belgium.
Mitch Connor wrote: » From what I have read Jose told Woodward the players/positons he wanted in. He also told woodward that Darmian, Shaw, Blind and Smalling were players he wanted sold and that he would be happy to sell Martial to fund the purchase of a winger. Once Jose has told Woodward what to do, it is up to woodward to get it done.
How the F can you blame Jose for Woodward not being able to sell players, or the accumulation of sh1t from before he arrived. Do you expect Jose to be ringing clubs and agents trying to sell the players himself?
Jose has, apparently , made it clear these players are not needed by him and the players he is looking at to replace him. Any failures after that are 100% on Woodward, not Jose. It simply isn't Jose's job or place to be negotiating the deals in or out.
Woodward knew MONTHS ago that Shaw, Blind, Darmian and Smalling were to be sold to fund replacements.
What more do you want of Jose? Or do you think Jose only told Woodward last week that these players could be sold and was actually hoping to have a squad of 35 prior to that?
Adamocovic wrote: » Am I missing something but what is the play Spurs are doing regarding Alderweireld? His contract is running out and unless he has expressed an interest to sign an extension I don't see why they would hold onto him and let him walk for free. Even waiting for Winter's window could severely knock money off what they will get for him, people won't mind waiting to get him for free at that point. Like I said the only reason I can see them not selling him is they have a 1 year extension option, or think he may sign an extension. Otherwise they would, you'd have expected, sold him early in the window to line up a replacement.
TheDoc wrote: » Mitch Connor wrote: » From what I have read Jose told Woodward the players/positons he wanted in. He also told woodward that Darmian, Shaw, Blind and Smalling were players he wanted sold and that he would be happy to sell Martial to fund the purchase of a winger. Once Jose has told Woodward what to do, it is up to woodward to get it done. What you are reading (likely the same journalists, reports and paper stuff I do) has reported Jose changing his mind multiple times. Shaw has changed about 5 times since the WC started. So acknowledging we are operating of journalists sources and we will never know the truth, I don't think you can take the same journalistic sources and what they said X weeks or months ago, as fact, but not take the same sources as fact when they report subsequently. Same sources said Herrera and Mata were surplus to requirements and told as much end of season..... How the F can you blame Jose for Woodward not being able to sell players, or the accumulation of sh1t from before he arrived. Do you expect Jose to be ringing clubs and agents trying to sell the players himself? I expect him to be a bit more ruthless. He is into his third year. It's ridiculous the likes of Darmian, Jones and Smalling have made it this long. While of course it's not his job to make the sales personally, there is very few cases where a manager wants a player rid and they arn't sold. It's also very rare where a club like us, can't shift our players. IF they want them gone, they are gone. If he wants his cake and eat it, shift players for firesale pricing and expect to be funded massively for replacements, then yeah I'll get the club maybe questioning what his ideas are or what he wants to achieve. Jose has, apparently , made it clear these players are not needed by him and the players he is looking at to replace him. Any failures after that are 100% on Woodward, not Jose. It simply isn't Jose's job or place to be negotiating the deals in or out. Literally a week ago stories that Jose has outlined he is happy with Shaw and to cease with dealings with Sandro. That whole left back situation is a drama in itself, nevermind elsewhere in the team. Now this morning "Jose believes Young is adequate for the year ahead". Woodward knew MONTHS ago that Shaw, Blind, Darmian and Smalling were to be sold to fund replacements. Again, based on the same sources having him change his mind over the course of the summer. I think it's also more Jose knew he would need to sell players before buying new in certain areas. Do you believe the likes of Smalling and Shaw are under the impression they are awaiting imminent departures? What more do you want of Jose? Or do you think Jose only told Woodward last week that these players could be sold and was actually hoping to have a squad of 35 prior to that? I just want him to be more decisive. I don't think he has been. Watch. We are going to walk into another season with Smalling and Jones. I just know it. And it's ridiculous. There is also a certain argument that Shaw should be long gone too. To me I'd imagine it's a somewhat issue with communication or transparency. If it was all so clear in terms of the players you mention being sold, then 1) We'd have seen much more links for their transfer out and 2) I'd imagine most if not all would be gone at this stage.
Giggsy11 wrote: » He has contract till 2019 plus extension clause. If Spurs activate extension clause then there will be 25 million release clause.
yourdeadwright wrote: » Something doesn't seem right at United this summer, Jose seems pissed off already , There is 19 days left and even two good signing could change everything but there just doesn't seem to be much excitement around United yet which is odd, they finished the season well last season, I'd imagine there will be at very least one marquee singing still to come in ,
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pjohnson wrote: » We probably can't shift Darmian due to his price tag. Both Juve and Inter appeared to loose interest based on his value, now it seems Napoli are the only club left. We should get rid off no hopers but we seem reluctant to (despite Darmian having only a year left and Juve probably more than happy to wait the year a la Emre Can)
Giggsy11 wrote: » When Jose took over, Manutd finished on level points with ManCity with Martial and Rashford playing so well. Same excuse was used when Van Gaal was in charge, and same excuse will be used when Jose gets sacked and new coach is not happy with playing squad, excuses will be how poor recruitment was under Jose. So when are we going to discuss about tactics, our attacking play or lack of, how poorly we play as a team. Is signing players only way to improve the team? This is when Jose has spent 380 million, since Jose took over at ManUtd, we are easily among top 5 in Europe when it comes to money spent. And still you are saying he isn't backed. How do you know teams are not desperate to sign our players? We didn't struggle much to sell Schneiderlin, Depay and there are teams who are in for Martial and there are teams like Juventus, Napoli, Inter who wants Darmian. This is 3rd summer, with Jose signing every player he wanted except Perisic in 2 summers, when will these excuses stop? I don't have any problems with Fellaini and Young, in fact I like them and my post history supports that. What I have problem is, people moaning about how Jose isn't responsible for offloading deadwood when he is on his knees for average players. We even gave Rojo extension last season. If Jose doesn't rate him, why didn't he sell them instead of asking club to give them new contracts? Fellaini, Young, Rojo players who are considered as average and deadwood but liked by Jose. The whole thing changes when the new coach says he doesn't rate any of the players, just like how Jose can't wait to offload Martial. Today's shiny toys are tomorrows deadwood. If Jose leaves tomorrow then we will have a coach who wants new RB, LB and have to address non existent right winger in the club, also a CB who can stay fit, defend and can pass the ball. That's 4 positions that we have holes. I like Jose's signings as he usually gets it spot on but as much as anyone he is responsible for the current situation. He has signed 2 CBs in 2 summers and now he wants one more while ignoring LB position for 3rd summer in a row and a right winger. There comes a time when you have to start questioning Jose for not getting best out of players too and also our non existent attacking play.
PhlegmyMoses wrote: » If it is a case that Woodward isn't backing Mourinho rather than just not getting the deals over the line, then he may sack Mourinho and move on. Pointless half arsing it
TheDoc wrote: » Like is it generally not deemed as something that can happen? Is it an all or nothing scenario? If Jose came to met and asked me to secure Sandro, and the results of negotiations were €50m and six figure wages I'd probably go back with"Sorry Jose, Juventus are not being realistic here. They want €50m. I'm not signing that off unless we clear some of the existing defenders". Is that "not backing the manager" or is that not just considered run of the mill day to day dealings in business, never mind a football club.
TheDoc wrote: » Like is it generally not deemed as something that can happen? Is it an all or nothing scenario? If Jose came to met and asked me to secure Sandro, and the results of negotiations were €50m and six figure wages I'd probably go back with "Sorry Jose, Juventus are not being realistic here. They want €50m. I'm not signing that off unless we clear some of the existing defenders". Is that "not backing the manager" or is that not just considered run of the mill day to day dealings in business, never mind a football club.
pjohnson wrote: » This would be good if Woodward wasn't pricing surplus defenders (Darmian) out of moves away from the club.
