Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

Vettle,s steering wheel doesn't appear to connected to his front wheels during and after the crash.

https://youtu.be/nU5HG14_1Sk

Harika

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1021299847368986624?s=19

Brundle said that he is 100% sure they will make it through the summer break. Papa Stroll could be the rescuer.
But also that Ocon is very likley to move to Renault and Sainz has to look for a race seat.

kneemos wrote: »

Vettle,s steering wheel doesn't appear to connected to his front wheels during and after the crash.

https://youtu.be/nU5HG14_1Sk

He lost traction at the rear, that was all she wrote unfortunately.

Gintonious wrote: »

He lost traction at the rear, that was all she wrote unfortunately.

The steering is clearly turning without the wheels.

Burkie1203

vectra wrote: »

So you think passing a red bull is a simple matter?

I never mentioned red bull. Red bull are kind of in limbo. Stuck in 3rd place. Ricc wasn't able to cut through the midfield anywhere near as easily as Hamilton because his car doesn't have the same power. Red bull are almost in a division on their own stuck between the top 2 and the other 7.

kneemos wrote: »

The steering is clearly turning without the wheels.

It's not, look at it slowed down...he loses traction at the rear, turns into the slide, goes into the gravel, game over. Bear in mind the camera isn't centered, it can make the angle of the wheels look a bit different to the reality of it.

kneemos wrote: »

The steering is clearly turning without the wheels.

Are you implying that it was a mechanical fault?

Gintonious wrote: »

Are you implying that it was a mechanical fault?

Just observing. After the crash he spins the wheel.
Also just before he turns it without the wheels turning.

kneemos wrote: »

Just observing. After the crash he spins the wheel.
Also just before he turns it without the wheels turning.

Thats because he had no traction, he spins the wheel after and see the flashing lights which means "game over".

He openly admitted it was a mistake on his part, he lost traction and ran wide. It's as simple as that.

Gintonious wrote: »

Thats because he had no traction, he spins the wheel after and see the flashing lights which means "game over".

He openly admitted it was a mistake on his part, he lost traction and ran wide. It's as simple as that.

He spins the steering wheel after the crash,the wheels don't move.

Has nobody watched the clip?

billybonkers

kneemos wrote: »

He spins the steering wheel after the crash,the wheels don't move.

Has nobody watched the clip?

You can also see immediately after the crash he straightens up the wheel and the do move. He had zero traction, he locked up the back wheels, tried to correct it and it didnt work. F1 cars wheels dont turn anywhere near the same a normal car does.

kneemos wrote: »

He spins the steering wheel after the crash,the wheels don't move.

Has nobody watched the clip?

You mean after the wheels went into the barrier? After he crashed into the barrier and broke the car?

Yes, I watched it live.

I don't know what you are trying to get at here.

kneemos wrote: »

He spins the steering wheel after the crash,the wheels don't move.

I'll say it again, watch the clip at 0.08 seconds onwards, at 0.25 speed (done via the cog wheel in the video), keep your eyes on the front right wheel, while keeping the steering wheel in your peripheral vision, they're both perfectly synchronized.

Similarly at 0.02 seconds into the video at 0.25 speed, you can very clearly see the rear wheels lock, and the rear of the car kicking out to the right, which is why Vettel steered to the right.

There was no steering issue whatsoever, it's as plain as day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU5HG14_1Sk&feature=youtu.be

Gintonious wrote: »

You mean after the wheels went into the barrier? After he crashed into the barrier and broke the car?

Yes, I watched it live.

I don't know what you are trying to get at here.

Yeah,he spins the steering wheel after the crash,the wheels don't move.
Also just before the crash.

Don't know how I can explain myself easier,thought it was clear.

billybonkers

You can see the wheels move as he turns the steering wheel immediately after the crash! And before the crash they do move, he locked up going over the gravel also after the back locked up. There is about 17 degree of steer on the car!

https://youtu.be/nU5HG14_1Sk?t=11s

At 11 seconds he moves the steering to the left and both wheels move

billybonkers wrote: »

You can see the wheels move as he turns the steering wheel immediately after the crash! And before the crash they do move, he locked up going over the gravel also after the back locked up. There is about 17 degree of steer on the car!

https://youtu.be/nU5HG14_1Sk?t=11s

At 11 seconds he moves the steering to the left and both wheels move

Ah yeah,maybe so.

HighLine

And if any other driver won and hashtagged their post #whiteexcellence ?

H3llR4iser

Guys, there was no issue with Seb's steering before the impact; Afterwards, I guess one or both tie rods had gone to kingdom come (you see the steering wheel snap to the right while the front wheels more or less stay straight), which is natural in these circumstances.

As silly as a mistake it might seem, I don't think people should be crucifying Vettel the way they are (especially, obviously, the Italian press). In these conditions, that kind of mistake could have happened to anyone - the fact it happened to a 4x WDC tells the whole story. It's literally a matter of a few centimeters, you hit a bit of water at a slightly different angle and you're skating.

If anyone experienced it, that's one of the worst feelings you can have in a car, be it on track or on the road: once the grip has broken, the car goes straight and there's very little you can do. The worst is that, as in Vettel's case, it feels absurd as it seems to be happening in slow motion.

The irony / misfortune of the circumstances: this happened in the old school section of the track, with grass and sandtraps. Had it happened elsewhere, Vettel would have just ran wide and continued.

HighLine wrote: »

And if any other driver won and hashtagged their post #whiteexcellence ?

Yeah, stupid thing for him to say...what in the name of fook has skin colour got to do with anything. Even more stupid thing to put up when your white teammate was told to back off :rolleyes:

That's what I mean about Lewis, after a drive like yesterday which was just brilliant, he goes and posts this nonsense. He's without a doubt his own worst enemy.

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Guys, there was no issue with Seb's steering before the impact; Afterwards, I guess one or both tie rods had gone to kingdom come (you see the steering wheel snap to the right while the front wheels more or less stay straight), which is natural in these circumstances.

As silly as a mistake it might seem, I don't think people should be crucifying Vettel the way they are (especially, obviously, the Italian press). In these conditions, that kind of mistake could have happened to anyone - the fact it happened to a 4x WDC tells the whole story. It's literally a matter of a few centimeters, you hit a bit of water at a slightly different angle and you're skating.

If anyone experienced it, that's one of the worst feelings you can have in a car, be it on track or on the road: once the grip has broken, the car goes straight and there's very little you can do. The worst is that, as in Vettel's case, it feels absurd as it seems to be happening in slow motion.

The irony / misfortune of the circumstances: this happened in the old school section of the track, with grass and sandtraps. Had it happened elsewhere, Vettel would have just ran wide and continued.

Well said. My heart went out to him when I heard him on the radio, must have been bloody awful. Are the Italian press killing him yeah?

ELM327

kneemos wrote: »

He spins the steering wheel after the crash,the wheels don't move.

Has nobody watched the clip?

He admitted it was his own mistake in the wet.

OSI wrote: »

It's an active campaign across the globe to promote the achievements of people within the black community. No different to women using the hashtag #girlpower on International Women's Day or similar.

I don't think that's going to help integration, in fairness, all using terms like "black community" "black day" etc is just drawing a line in the sand.

H3llR4iser

Inviere wrote: »

Well said. My heart went out to him when I heard him on the radio, must have been bloody awful. Are the Italian press killing him yeah?

Up to the point of saying he's not "worth the money" and that he almost came by 4 WDC by chance...the very same journalists who worshipped him two weeks ago for winning in the "Perfida Albione" ("the evil Albion", and expression Italians tend to attribute to Mussolini, but which originated from France around the 18th century).

Sometimes I'm not sure what's the worse approach - in the one of unconditional puppy worship the UK media has towards Hamilton (plus the ridiculous hostility towards anyone guilty of "racing while German", forgetting who their "hero" drives for), or the "win and you're the man, loose and you're sh1t" approach the Italian one has (towards any sports teams, has to be said - you should have read the articles after Italy failed to qualify for the Fifa World Cup :P).

HighLine

OSI wrote: »

It's an active campaign across the globe to promote the achievements of people within the black community. No different to women using the hashtag #girlpower on International Women's Day or similar.

What a pile of s**t. Again... what would happen if there was a campaign across the globe to promote the achievements of white people? #whiteexcellence

Skin colour does not need to be mentioned after he had such a good drive and result. It's idiotic.

Inviere wrote: »

Yeah, stupid thing for him to say...what in the name of fook has skin colour got to do with anything. Even more stupid thing to put up when your white teammate was told to back off :rolleyes:

OSI wrote: »

It's an active campaign across the globe to promote the achievements of people within the black community. No different to women using the hashtag #girlpower on International Women's Day or similar.

Aahhhh, I see now. I thought it was one of his "love conquers all" type proclamations. I'm an advocate of 'classical' equality, in that, we're all the same and any group should be able to say the same things another group says. I feel by socially allowing one group to say one thing, and another group can't, we'll never, ever, get past racism and inequality. The scales need to be balanced, not tipped from one side to another. So in light of that, meh.

Shelflife

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skipper_G

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Up to the point of saying he's not "worth the money" and that he almost came by 4 WDC by chance...the very same journalists who worshipped him two weeks ago for winning in the "Perfida Albione" ("the evil Albion", and expression Italians tend to attribute to Mussolini, but which originated from France around the 18th century).

Sometimes I'm not sure what's the worse approach - in the one of unconditional puppy worship the UK media has towards Hamilton (plus the ridiculous hostility towards anyone guilty of "racing while German", forgetting who their "hero" drives for), or the "win and you're the man, loose and you're sh1t" approach the Italian one has (towards any sports teams, has to be said - you should have read the articles after Italy failed to qualify for the Fifa World Cup :P).

It's a common theme on social media with F1 fans, God forbid somebody makes a mistake. The drivers aren't machines, they're people. Can any of us say we've never made a mistake in our jobs ? I can't, but the difference is if I mess up an e-mail there's not millions of people waiting to analyse and criticise, people who all apparently know everything about everything.

skipper_G wrote: »

It's a common theme on scoial media with F1 fans, God forbid somebody makes a mistake. The drivers aren't machines, they're people. Can any of us say we've never made a mistake in our jobs ? I can't, but the difference is if I mess up an e-mail there's not millions of people waiting to analyse and criticise, people who all apparently know everything about everything.

Similarly, there's not many sports where the mic is on the person throughout whatever they're doing. Can you imagine football having that, bad enough looking at the play acting, but imagine hearing the groans of agony, only to see them running full pelt ten seconds later