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GAA/Liam Miller/Páirc Uí Chaoimh

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Liam Miller testimonial match was requested to be played at Páirc Uí Chaoimh to get a bigger crowd.

So GAA rules forbid playing of foreign sports in GAA grounds other than Croke Park.

How about a little bit of common sense /lee-way being shown here?

Concerts /non-sporting events can be at these other grounds. Surely if the organisers didnt call the event a soccer testimonial...but maybe a concert? (which ends up with some 'spontaneous outbreak of a GAA match where nobody touches the ball with their hands' etc etc cough cough, then it would get around this ban?

GAA should just effectively turn a blind eye to this event it would be better for their PR than the stance they currently have?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/liam-miller-testimonial-sells-out-in-minutes-as-pressure-grows-on-gaa-over-pirc-u-chaoimh-snub-37138863.html

in any case i believe there is some issue with the fact 30m+ of public funds were provided for the grounds redevelopment on condition the ground was opened up for use by non GAA people too.

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Harry Palmr

Bigots do what bigots do.

Trasna1

valoren wrote: »

The excuse of needing to go to congress is a flimsy deflective excuse.

Perhaps the county board might learn of the words 'ad hoc' should the EU become interested in how discrimination is being flagrantly displayed with such excuses. I'm sure when going cap in hand to allow the government to apporve an extra 30 million there was no mention of 'congress' and it's required approval when agreeing to allow that the "facilities will be open to various users on a non-discriminatory and transparent basis. As stated above, the CCB [Cork County Board] will rent out the PUíC’s facilities to third parties to organise sporting and other commercial events"

If it's a case that PuC has to opened up because of the grant (given and accepted on the grounds that it would help the RWC bid), then the GAA will almost certainly give the money back and never again participate in RWC or UEFA bid.

Still can't see why this can't be played in Thomand Park, or is there another agenda at work here?

Real Madra

Trasna1 wrote: »

They only need to be able to get more people than fit in Turner's cross to justify playing it somewhere else. So are they saying less than 7000 people would travel to Limerick?

I suppose it depends on the popularity of the ex-players involved but in all likelihood I suppose they'd still get over 7,000. I remember going to a couple of senior international friendlies at Thomand a few years ago, against Australia and South Africa I think, and the attendances at both were very poor, so I still wouldn't absolutely bank on a good attendance at this if it was held in Limerick.

snotboogie

Trasna1 wrote: »

If it's a case that PuC has to opened up because of the grant (given and accepted on the grounds that it would help the RWC bid), then the GAA will almost certainly give the money back and never again participate in RWC or UEFA bid.

Still can't see why this can't be played in Thomand Park, or is there another agenda at work here?

Haha so the GAA lose 30 million and the government loses a RWC they have said they will never bid for again and a "UEFA bid" which is a complete fantasy. Seems like an easy 30 million to me. The European Commission appeal had nothing to do with the RWC, it was about the blatant anti competition

Thomond Park is in Limerick....

secman

As Liam God rest him played both Gaelic and assoc football, it would garner much more attention if the game was played in a game of distinct halves . One half Gaelic and 2nd half Assoc football. Accumulation of scores to decide winner. Congress surely couldnt but sanction it.

Gas to see Rio and Vidic play GAA.
Would be a great celebration of Liams upbringing.

Trasna1

Real Madra wrote: »

I suppose it depends on the popularity of the ex-players involved but in all likelihood I suppose they'd still get over 7,000. I remember going to a couple of senior international friendlies at Thomand a few years ago, against Australia and South Africa I think, and the attendances at both were very poor, so I still wouldn't absolutely bank on a good attendance at this if it was held in Limerick.

They have a lot of retired big names from Manchester United. Playing in Thomand wouldn't diminish attendance imo. Especially since Turner's cross sold out quickly.

This is needlessly confrontational, and it does seem perhaps there is another motive here.

c.p.w.g.w

Well if the GAA wish to not open the stadium then all the organisation government funding should be clawed back for the last 10 years. Richest "ameteur" organisation in the world... Wonder could the players be considered slaves ALLA college footballers in the states... Organisations make millions off the backs of unpaid athletes

Trasna1

snotboogie wrote: »

Haha so the GAA lose 30 million and the government loses a RWC they have said they will never bid for again and a "UEFA bid" which is a complete fantasy. Seems like an easy 30 million to me. The European Commission appeal had nothing to do with the RWC, it was about the blatant anti competition

Thomond Park is in Limerick....

Thanks for the geography lesson :rolleyes:

If the grant was given and received with the intention of facilitating a RWC bid and now the generosity in allowing PuC to be used as part of that bid now means CCB loses full control of their stadium that's bound to make people in the organization bitter and feel they were hoodwinked.

And there will be mutterings about other future tournament bids and there will be another attempt at a RWC bid in the future, even if the current govt says it won't every happen. But if it means the GAA will lose full control of their grounds in perpetuity then they won't participate.

ceegee

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Well if the GAA wish to not open the stadium then all the organisation government funding should be clawed back for the last 10 years. Richest "ameteur" organisation in the world... Wonder could the players be considered slaves ALLA college footballers in the states... Organisations make millions off the backs of unpaid athletes

The GAA is richer than NCAA football and the IOC?

Poor_old_gill

I am a GAA man through thick and thin and all that nonsense but I have heard some people trying to defend the GAA's actions and saying that Irish soccer should be embarrassed about not having stadiums etc.

Anyone in the GAA thinking that this has anything to do with games promotion or giving a platform to other sports is absolutely cracked- it's to raise money for a family that have lost their husband and father. It will be a serious stain on the GAA if they dont get this sorted.

Vinnie222

Real Madra wrote: »

I suppose it depends on the popularity of the ex-players involved but in all likelihood I suppose they'd still get over 7,000. I remember going to a couple of senior international friendlies at Thomand a few years ago, against Australia and South Africa I think, and the attendances at both were very poor, so I still wouldn't absolutely bank on a good attendance at this if it was held in Limerick.

Roughly around 20000 for Australia but poor turnout for S Africa

Trasna1

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I am a GAA man through thick and thin and all that nonsense but I have heard some people trying to defend the GAA's actions and saying that Irish soccer should be embarrassed about not having stadiums etc.

Anyone in the GAA thinking that this has anything to do with games promotion or giving a platform to other sports is absolutely cracked- it's to raise money for a family that have lost their husband and father. It will be a serious stain on the GAA if they dont get this sorted.

I suppose some would see this as a ploy to get a foot in the door of PuC. They would see this as first it's a charity match, then a local team might want a big European game there, then they might find it's decided that Cork only needs one good sports stadium and finds itself hosting Munster and Cork city games.

Some might say, that's not a bad idea, but I can understand why some GAA people would think that this is the thin end of the wedge.

And soccer should be embarrassed by the state of it's stadiums. If FAI wages were diverted into capital projects instead of pockets Cork city would have a decent soccer ground.

Poor_old_gill

Trasna1 wrote: »

I suppose some would see this as a ploy to get a foot in the door of PuC. They would see this as first it's a charity match, then a local team might want a big European game there, then they might find it's decided that Cork only needs one good sports stadium and finds itself hosting Munster and Cork city games.

Some might say, that's not a bad idea, but I can understand why some GAA people would think that this is the thin end of the wedge.

And soccer should be embarrassed by the state of it's stadiums. If FAI wages we're diverted into capital projects instead of pockets Cork city would have a decent soccer ground.

That thing flying over your head is the point.

padd b1975

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Ex Irish international. Played for the likes of Celtic and Man Utd.

Had only just hung up his boots when he got struck down with that awful cancer and died shortly afterwards leaving behind a young family.

He had a better than average career.
I very much doubt his family have been left in poverty.

ChikiChiki

Been a member of the GAA all my life from when I was 6 to now at 31. Pulling home advantage in favour of money for Kildare was horrible for me.

Not permitting a charity match in aid of Liam Miller a local hero and cancer victim is absolutly scummy. Very ashamed with this decision. Absolutely disgusting and you would find most grassroots GAA members have the same opinion.

Code of the ****ing sport doesn't even come into this for all the neanderthals out there. FFS Ed Sheeran can play there. Its about doing the right thing.

And as another poster mentioned, if they dont sort this it will be a serious stain on the GAA. Many will walk away, myself included. The organisation as a whole is gone to ****.

TheRiverman

Does GAA Congress have to pass a motion allowing concerts to be held in their stadia ?

Johnnycanyon

The GAA are bigots and always were. They make me sick!

TheRiverman

Johnnycanyon wrote: »

The GAA are bigots and all was were. They make me sick!

Do you mean always ?

Johnnycanyon

TheRiverman wrote: »

Do you mean always ?

I do.

Trasna1

TheRiverman wrote: »

Does GAA Congress have to pass a motion allowing concerts to be held in their stadia ?

Only field sports, Greyhound and horse racing.

y0ssar1an22

Trasna1 wrote: »

I suppose some would see this as a ploy to get a foot in the door of PuC. They would see this as first it's a charity match, then a local team might want a big European game there, then they might find it's decided that Cork only needs one good sports stadium and finds itself hosting Munster and Cork city games.

Some might say, that's not a bad idea, but I can understand why some GAA people would think that this is the thin end of the wedge.

And soccer should be embarrassed by the state of it's stadiums. If FAI wages were diverted into capital projects instead of pockets Cork city would have a decent soccer ground.

please do expand on this. what are they scared of?

even if, as you say, it may lead to big soccer matches being held there, whats the problem?

snotboogie

Trasna1 wrote: »

Thanks for the geography lesson :rolleyes:

If the grant was given and received with the intention of facilitating a RWC bid and now the generosity in allowing PuC to be used as part of that bid now means CCB loses full control of their stadium that's bound to make people in the organization bitter and feel they were hoodwinked.

And there will be mutterings about other future tournament bids and there will be another attempt at a RWC bid in the future, even if the current govt says it won't every happen. But if it means the GAA will lose full control of their grounds in perpetuity then they won't participate.

So if you know it is in Limerick, why are you suggesting that a Cork City memorial game for a Cork City player should be moved there? Especially when there is a stadium with ample capacity lying empty in Cork.

You are not getting my point. After the grant was issued a local resident complained to the European Commission that the GAA and Irish Govt were violating their anti competition laws. The Commission ruled that the stadium "will be open to various users on a non-discriminatory and transparent basis".

Niles Crane

Lots of other families have had bereavements, why is Liam Millers family more deserving than the numerous other families where a husband and father of young children has died.

Considering he had a very well paying job are his family really in that much need that a fundrasier is required.He would have plenty of connections within the teams he played for who could help out the family and that is what should have happened already, there should be no need for any benefit match because I know if I was a wealthy former footballer and a team mate of mine passed away and left a young family behind I would help them out.

Also this whole thing smacked of opportunism by those involved, he was not a GAA player they never asked the GAA for permission beforehand and just dropped this on them without much notice despite everyone being fully aware of the GAA's rules.I feel sorry for his family as this whole saga has been completely undignified all because of pathetic opportunism by those running the event , who knew full well of the GAA's rules but decided to think they could ride roughshod over them.

twinytwo

spurshero wrote: »

It’s ok for Ed Sherann to play there . It’s ok for nfl American sports to play in Croker . It’s ok for the Irish rugby and soccer team to play in Croker park . But not ok for a charity soccer event to play in a gaa stadium in cork to help the family of a 36 year old Irish international that left a wife and 3 young kids . The mind boggles

The IRFU payed handsomely for the use of croke park... So handsomely in fact the GAA were begging them to keep using it even after the aviva was complete.

enricoh

He played for Celtic and man u, I'm sure he made a few million in his career.
Why not have it in the Aviva if it's that big a game?

Zebra3

snotboogie wrote: »

Except there were strings attached, a complaint was made to the European Commission regarding state aid affecting competition and a full investigation was launched. The EC only allowed the state aid after specifying that the GAA could not descriminate against other sports using PUC. So the GAA can either pay the 30 million back or open up PUC. Oh ya, Cork City have a UEFA cup tie coming up that if they win will mean that Turners Cross can't be used in the next round... This could rumble on long past the Liam Miller game

Interesting, hadn't heard of this before. When did this happen?

skimpydoo

Niles Crane wrote: »

Also this whole thing smacked of opportunism by those involved, he was not a GAA player they never asked the GAA for permission beforehand and just dropped this on them without much notice despite everyone being fully aware of the GAA's rules.I feel sorry for his family as this whole saga has been completely undignified all because of pathetic opportunism by those running the event , who knew full well of the GAA's rules but decided to think they could ride roughshod over them.

Liam Miller was a former GAA player. He played it in his youth before he played soccer and the GAA are acting disgracefully. If he played a non British sport, the GAA would allow it.

Father Hernandez

enricoh wrote: »

He played for Celtic and man u, I'm sure he made a few million in his career.
Why not have it in the Aviva if it's that big a game?

He's from Cork so the obvious connection is to hold it in Cork

Niles Crane

Father Hernandez wrote: »

He's from Cork so the obvious connection is to hold it in Cork

Why does there need to be a fundraiser in the first place.His family have almost certainly not been left in poverty and there are many people left in much worse situations after a death like this and nobody gives a fiddlers about them.

Father Hernandez

Niles Crane wrote: »

Why does there need to be a fundraiser in the first place.His family have almost certainly not been left in poverty and there are many people left in much worse situations after a death like this and nobody gives a fiddlers about them.

Are you the families accountant?