Dairy chit chat II

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Grains are on the floor with 6yrs Alps, how long more would you like to be supported for?

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+1
A well known dairy farmer told me that, one year with another, the net profit was 800/cow in his DG, you'd imagine that a couple hundred of that could be allowed go to tillage farmers some years.
Even a 3% makey uppy payment would be accepted without cribbing

dar31

wrangler wrote: »

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+1
A well known dairy farmer told me that, one year with another, the net profit was 800/cow in his DG, you'd imagine that a couple hundred of that could be allowed go to tillage farmers some years.
Even a 3% makey uppy payment would be accepted without cribbing

There's still a hell of a lot to come out if that €800 before there is a true profit figure.

Capital repayments
Drawings
Taxation

dar31 wrote: »

There's still a hell of a lot to come out if that €800 before there is a true profit figure.

Capital repayments
Drawings
Taxation

That'd be common to all enterprises surely,
taxation wouldn't be as high if grain cost more, there saving you money already.

stretch film wrote: »

Yes

Nitrogenase is a nitrogen fixing bacteria.
It requires molybdenum to eat/function do it's nitrogen fixing thing.
Molybdenum is a highly soluble element (that is it dissolves and moves about in water very freely).
Since you're in a strong molybdenum area and that was an old borehole sucked out. It stands to reason that you've brought up a load of molybdenum in that water and nitrogenase bacteria are feeding on that now and pulling in nitrogen from the air and thus your green grass.

alps

wrangler wrote: »

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+1
A well known dairy farmer told me that, one year with another, the net profit was 800/cow in his DG, you'd imagine that a couple hundred of that could be allowed go to tillage farmers some years.
Even a 3% makey uppy payment would be accepted without cribbing

Was he able to tell you what his own net profit was? If it's DG and PM figures that will be comparison figures and will leave out certain figures to compare efficiency..old debate..

However at the moment, the cheapest DM that can be bought from tillage land is costing almost 300 per tonne.

For those that want to know what a cow produces, she will do well do sell 5000 litres at 32c totalling 1600€.

She eats 6 tonnes DM in the year...at 300 per tonne that's feed cost of 1800€.

The only opportunity for profit is the replacwmwnt of bought in feeds by home grown grass ...no profit otherwise...

And in general dairy farmers are not supported by payments for something they did 20 years ago....(hide)

New age dairy farmers may be...(definitely hide)

alps wrote: »

What is the "fixation" with Nitrogen..

A farm, well managed, will easily grow 6 or 7 tonnes of grass without any N application..maybe more

The nitrogen only grows extra grass when conditions are beneficial.

What growth rates are guys still applying Nitrogen actually getting? Are you measuring? A good green colour does not automatically equal growth..

The limiting factor is moisture...at this time of the year, any well managed ground not limited by moisture will easily grow 40 or 50 a day without nitrogen...Are you above this?

While feed bills may be extreme at the moment, there can't be any benefit in adding to cost by wasting Nitrogen..

I spread can last Friday up to this it was compound that went out. It has grown since Friday. Actually a big jump from yesterday to today. We got rain most of the day on Sunday and hopefully will get more tomorrow. A river runs through our farm. The growth in the paddocks along the river is multitudes of other paddocks. Also good growth in fields reseeded in the last few years

alps wrote: »

Was he able to tell you what his own net profit was? If it's DG and PM figures that will be comparison figures and will leave out certain figures to compare efficiency..old debate..

However at the moment, the cheapest DM that can be bought from tillage land is costing almost 300 per tonne.

For those that want to know what a cow produces, she will do well do sell 5000 litres at 32c totalling 1600€.

She eats 6 tonnes DM in the year...at 300 per tonne that's feed cost of 1800€.

The only opportunity for profit is the replacwmwnt of bought in feeds by home grown grass ...no profit otherwise...

And in general dairy farmers are not supported by payments for something they did 20 years ago....(hide)

New age dairy farmers may be...(definitely hide)

So you've no problem with me paying 60c/ltr for milk so, delighted to hear it after all milk is milk,
As for entitlements , plenty of dairy farmers are getting increases in their subsidies while mine are devaluing by at least 10%/year ....I've no problem with mine devaluing if it was going to deserving farmers.
You got 30 years out of milk quotas so pot and kettle comes to mind

alps

wrangler wrote: »

deserving farmers.

Have you a definition on this wrangler?

Not gonna argue with your thinking, but all the powers that be are failing on the description of an active farmer..

Interesting if the debate moved on to "deserving farmer"

alps

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Grains are on the floor with 6yrs Alps, how long more would you like to be supported for?

Caught whether we like it or not Dawg....pay up and look happy....

There will be huge effort put into not allowing ourselves arrive at this point again next year...

Can't help but think soaring land rents will be the rage next spring..

yosemitesam1

alps wrote: »

Caught whether we like it or not Dawg....pay up and look happy....

There will be huge effort put into not allowing ourselves arrive at this point again next year...

Can't help but think soaring land rents will be the rage next spring..

Depends on how bad the next few months are, the attitude last spring was sit back and wait for all the cheap silage to be up for sale.

kevthegaff

Would ye spread fert got v little rain here but is giving a good bit tomorrow

kevthegaff wrote: »

Would ye spread fert got v little rain here but is giving a good bit tomorrow

I was spreading today for my delayed 2nd cut.
Ground I was spreading on was green though.
I also spread barley with the wagtail on said silage ground to bulk up the silage.

Gawddawggonnit

alps wrote: »

There will be huge effort put into not allowing ourselves arrive at this point again next year...

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Next year?
How about never again?

Lots of big questions to be answered, but now is not the time...

Bo dearg

Say my name wrote: »

I was spreading today for my delayed 2nd cut.
Ground I was spreading on was green though.
I also spread barley with the wagtail on said silage ground to bulk up the silage.

How much barley? And will it not be just bird food

Bo dearg wrote: »

How much barley? And will it not be just bird food

Ah only went with 200kgs to get the settings on the spreader.
There is a cover of grass though and even still the seed is hitting the ground. So I expect it to grow. If it was bare ground the birds would definitely be onto it straightaway but I won't tell them.

There is a general breakdown of the weather occurring so.. it's time to snap out of the shellshock. But everyone knows their own farm and conditions.

jaymla627

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Next year?
How about never again?

Lots of big questions to be answered, but now is not the time...

How are you fixed for shipping in two million plus odd bales of silage, predicted current shortfall among glanbia suppliers heading into winter, it’s turning into a pretty epic clusterf**k, hopefully the rain got today will kick things on, over-seeding 80 acres of clover tomorrow to try and kick start things here

yosemitesam1

Say my name wrote: »

Ah only went with 200kgs to get the settings on the spreader.
There is a cover of grass though and even still the seed is hitting the ground. So I expect it to grow. If it was bare ground the birds would definitely be onto it straightaway but I won't tell them.
There is a general breakdown of the weather occurring so.. it's time to snap out of the shellshock. But everyone knows their own farm and conditions.

Oats would be more digestible forage than barley

Reggie.

jaymla627 wrote: »

How are you fixed for shipping in two million plus odd bales of silage, predicted current shortfall among glanbia suppliers heading into winter, it’s turning into a pretty epic clusterf**k, hopefully the rain got today will kick things on, over-seeding 80 acres of clover tomorrow to try and kick start things here

Jaysus would love to get into that

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Oats would be more digestible forage than barley

Would it? I haven't a clue.
I just going off the idea about those one's using barley for the tray system of watering the seed and feeding.
If it was good enough for that it was good enough for me sort of way.

Barley is a handy heavy seed for the wagtail. You can drive on the same tracks as the fert and being heavy it hits the soil.
I'd be afraid if I went with oats I'd have to give it a bit of a harrow to get it down to the soil. Which I don't particularly want to do.

yosemitesam1

Say my name wrote: »

Would it? I haven't a clue.
I just going off the idea about those one's using barley for the tray system of watering the seed and feeding.
If it was good enough for that it was good enough for me sort of way.

Barley is a handy heavy seed for the wagtail. You can drive on the same tracks as the fert and being heavy it hits the soil.
I'd be afraid if I went with oats I'd have to give it a bit of a harrow to get it down to the soil. Which I don't particularly want to do.

Wouldn't be a massive difference, if you were going to the trouble of drilling it probably be worth it then

Am I right in saying that grant approval under tams only lasts for a year now?

Morris Moss

whelan2 wrote: »

Am I right in saying that grant approval under tams only lasts for a year now?

Yeah ya have a year from the time you're approved.

whelan2 wrote: »

Am I right in saying that grant approval under tams only lasts for a year now?

Apparently some farmers were applying 'just in case they might need it'' and using up funding, so it's proper order....I think they're writing out to farmers now that are too llong on the list, if they have all the funding even promised they can't entertain new applicants....paddy fec...g up things again !!!!!!

degetme

Morris Moss wrote: »

Yeah ya have a year from the time you're approved.

Had teagasc advisor out and he said three years today. It was originally 3yrs then changed to 12 months and now back to 3 yrs he was saying. Anyone have a link to the correct upto date answer?

Was there a five year span on the current tams scheme, when does that end?

Wildsurfer

whelan2 wrote: »

Was there a five year span on the current tams scheme, when does that end?

I think 2019 is the last year you can apply. You said You were doing a lot of work, are ye getting grant?

kevthegaff

whelan2 wrote:

Am I right in saying that grant approval under tams only lasts for a year now?

I applied last June 28th 2017, put parlour in in December and had to have receipts in by June 28th again. Dept guy rang the other day saying ill get the funds in the next few days, pretty efficient