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AI Senior Hurling- Liam McCarthy Cup 2018

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So it's almost that time of year and new calender and new look hurling championship. Could be one of the most competitive championships in years

Fixtures

Leinster
Round 1
Sat 12 May- Offaly vs Galway
Sun 13 May- Dublin vs Kilkenny

Round 2
Sun 20 May- Kilkenny vs Offaly, Wexford vs Dublin

Round 3
Sat 26 May- Offaly vs Wexford
Sun 27 May- Galway vs Kilkenny

Round 4
Sat 2 June- Wexford vs Galway
Sun 3 June- Dublin vs Offaly

Round 5
Sat 9 June- Kilkenny vs Wexford, Galway vs Dublin

Final- Sun 1st July (1st vs 2nd)

Munster
Round 1
Sun 20 May- Cork vs Clare, Limerick vs Tipperary

Round 2
Sun 27 May- Clare vs Waterford, Tipperary vs Cork

Round 3
Sat 2 June- Cork vs Limerick
Sun 3 June- Waterford vs Tipperary (Gaelic Grounds Limerick)

Round 4
Sun 10 June- Limerick vs Waterford, Tipperary vs Clare

Round 5
Sun 17 June- Waterford vs Cork (Thurles), Clare vs Limerick

Final- Sun 1st July (1st vs 2nd)

3rd in each group progresses to All Ireland Prem round. 4th/5th eliminated from championship

All Ireland Prem Round- Sat 7th July
3rd Munster/Leinster vs Mcdonagh cup finalist
3rd Munster/Leinster vs Mcdonagh cup finalist

All Ireland Quarter Finals- Sun 15th July
Munster runner up vs Prem round winner
Leinster runner up vs Prem round winner

All Ireland Semi finals- Sat 28th/29th July
Leinster champions vs QF winner
Munster champions vs QF winner

All Ireland Final- Sun 19th Aug

Relagation
If a Leinster teams wins the Mcdonagh cup than they will replace the 5th place team in the Leinster championship for 2019 (5th place Leinster team will play in the 2019 Mcdonagh cup)

If Kerry win the Mcdonagh cup they will play the 5th place Munster team in a playoff with the winner playing in the Munster championship in 2019

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terryrogers

Speakerboxx wrote: »

100 % . you hit the nail on the head there. He was usually frustrated when he lost with Clare but he was smug and happy after the game the last day. Wexford should give him the boot fast.

Was thinking the same thing watching Davy, when asked about Wexford he kept bringing it back to Clare and got in the dig about 'his style' of hurling they were playing with the little smirk. He's brought Wexford back a bit from Liam Dunnes time imo, apart from their exuberance in the league. That game did Clare no favours at all I reckon Galway will beat them in 2nd gear. Hope I'm wrong but can't see them living with Galways physicality.

A Galway Limerick final is on the cards for me, hard to see Cork overturning them based on form, aside from the Ennis game. One area Limerick could get caught is their discipline, they've been playing on the edge lately and another ref may have sent them down to 14 yesterday. And Cork always seem to have the ref on their side too.

What a game yesterday though, Limerick showed real spirit. And they will certainly trouble Galway if they carry that form to croker. Thought kk were a bit naive at times and could have been a bit cuter with fouls when Limerick were in control. Ironically they seem to be too clean for their own good this year, they seem to be giving away less frees than their opponents.

Twas an awful pity there wasn't a double header. I think Wexford would have travelled and it could have been a full house with a proper atmosphere, those are the days that kids remember.

lim4ev

Lads re the tickets get on to your local club i can get 2 adults and 3 kids into davin end for €35 its a family ticket obviously not in the best part of the ground but great value but only available thru clubs as far as i know

grenache

terryrogers wrote: »

Thought kk were a bit naive at times and could have been a bit cuter with fouls when Limerick were in control. Ironically they seem to be too clean for their own good this year, they seem to be giving away less frees than their opponents.

They weren't naive when it came to pulling the hurley out of an opponent's hand.
I counted at least 5 times where Paddy Deegan yanked Aaron Gillane's hurley off him. Would have been funny if it wasn't so obvious. Neither ref nor linesman seemed to cop it, bar one free given near the Kinane Stand in the first half.
Of course when Deegan wasn't pulling Gillane's hurley, he was digging him with his own hurley - he was a very lucky boy to stay on the field.

bennyl10

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Joe Daly

grenache wrote: »

They weren't naive when it came to pulling the hurley out of an opponent's hand.
I counted at least 5 times where Paddy Deegan yanked Aaron Gillane's hurley off him. Would have been funny if it wasn't so obvious. Neither ref nor linesman seemed to cop it, bar one free given near the Kinane Stand in the first half.
Of course when Deegan wasn't pulling Gillane's hurley, he was digging him with his own hurley - he was a very lucky boy to stay on the field.

You never mentioned Gillane kicking out on a couple of occasions on Paddy Deegan also pulling his hurl he went down soft Mcgrath told him to get up .

Slieve Gullion

Joe Daly wrote: »

You never mentioned Gillane kicking out on a couple of occasions on Paddy Deegan also pulling his hurl he went down soft Mcgrath told him to get up .

Lolzers

Sprinter Sacre

Joe Daly wrote: »

You never mentioned Gillane kicking out on a couple of occasions on Paddy Deegan also pulling his hurl he went down soft Mcgrath told him to get up .

When did this happen I seemed to miss it.

Bonniedog

Eir showed the 1994 final between Offaly and Limerick this morning. Amazing finish. Offaly had 11 point turnaround in last 6 minutes!

Most noticeable thing about the game was that defenders never tried to burst out through tackles. They took a step back and fired it over their shoulder. There were lots of big tough men on both sides but you can see from them that none of them were probably doing gym time.

Beginning of the high intensity training and emphasis on physicality was Wexford under Griffin and Limerick once again were the bridesmaids.

I says

Bonniedog wrote: »

Eir showed the 1994 final between Offaly and Limerick this morning. Amazing finish. Offaly had 11 point turnaround in last 6 minutes!

Most noticeable thing about the game was that defenders never tried to burst out through tackles. They took a step back and fired it over their shoulder. There were lots of big tough men on both sides but you can see from them that none of them were probably doing gym time.

Beginning of the high intensity training and emphasis on physicality was Wexford under Griffin and Limerick once again were the bridesmaids.

I would have thought loughnanes Clare were the first real super fit and athletic team from that era.

Bonniedog

I says wrote: »

I would have thought loughnanes Clare were the first real super fit and athletic team from that era.

Good point. Had overlooked them.

Amazing to recall how long it took Kilkenny to cope with the new type of game. Of course when they did, they became the masters of the more physical approach.

I says

Bonniedog wrote: »

Good point. Had overlooked them.

Amazing to recall how long it took Kilkenny to cope with the new type of game. Of course when they did, they became the masters of the more physical approach.

I think the semi final loss to us in 01 really drove them on from there

The_Kew_Tour

terryrogers wrote: »

And Cork always seem to have the ref on their side too.

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Garbage comment

Slieve Gullion

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Garbage comment

:rolleyes:

Clareman

Bonniedog wrote: »

Eir showed the 1994 final between Offaly and Limerick this morning. Amazing finish. Offaly had 11 point turnaround in last 6 minutes!

Most noticeable thing about the game was that defenders never tried to burst out through tackles. They took a step back and fired it over their shoulder. There were lots of big tough men on both sides but you can see from them that none of them were probably doing gym time.

Beginning of the high intensity training and emphasis on physicality was Wexford under Griffin and Limerick once again were the bridesmaids.

I'm loving the old matches on Eir, total surprise when I flick over. The biggest change (besides fitness) is the size of the hurleys, j@ysus they were long thin things back in the day

Bonniedog

Clareman wrote: »

I'm loving the old matches on Eir, total surprise when I flick over. The biggest change (besides fitness) is the size of the hurleys, j@ysus they were long thin things back in the day

Was thinking that myself this morning! I still have one from around that time, before in fact, and is an awkward oul yoke. Some of the skills were as good as anything you would see now, and some of the misses you would have to put down to the stick and sliothar. Great to see likes of Carey and the Dooleys, Pilkingtons and Frankie Carroll again. Carroll played at some level with Garryspillane until recently enough I think?

Great idea by Eir but I can't find any schedule that tells you when they are showing the games.

I says

Clareman wrote: »

I'm loving the old matches on Eir, total surprise when I flick over. The biggest change (besides fitness) is the size of the hurleys, j@ysus they were long thin things back in the day

Yeah hurls are shorter now the measurement was taken from the hip now it’s measured from the wrist.Only found that out meself when the young fella was getting his first hurl.

Realt Dearg Sec

Makes sense, the game is about ball control and possession now instead of ground hurling, same reason the bas is bigger I suppose.

I remember around the turn of the century and a little later the Cork players started showing up with bigger bas hurls (hurleys to the southern lads), and more of a heel on them. The O'Connors in particular.

Would people still think of the hurls as differing a bit regionally like they used to? It was common enough back then even to refer to a "Kilkenny style" hurl and a "Cork style" one. I suppose to some extent that's gone now.

Clareman

In my day* you'd stand up and have a 28", 30", 32" hurley next to you and whichever was closest to the hip you got, you always got the slightly bigger 1 cause sure you'd grow into it. I remember in training once being drilled about shortening the grip and how you didn't need a long swing to have a long puck, I asked why we didn't just have a shorter hurley then, the trainer couldn't answer it. Back then training often involved lines of 3 across the pitch where the lad on the middle had to pull on the ball to keep it as it was passed by the guys at the end, had to use both sides of course.

*Yes, I am old

Realt Dearg Sec

Clareman wrote: »

In my day* you'd stand up and have a 28", 30", 32" hurley next to you and whichever was closest to the hip you got, you always got the slightly bigger 1 cause sure you'd grow into it. I remember in training once being drilled about shortening the grip and how you didn't need a long swing to have a long puck, I asked why we didn't just have a shorter hurley then, the trainer couldn't answer it. Back then training often involved lines of 3 across the pitch where the lad on the middle had to pull on the ball to keep it as it was passed by the guys at the end, had to use both sides of course.

*Yes, I am old

We did the same thing (I am also old). When I went back to hurling (in the noughties) the manager of the junior team realised that given a lot of players couldn't get ball into hand easily it would be worthwhile to try and improve the ground hurling so that if a ball was loose you could always pull on it. So he had us doing the old ground hurling drill you describe. All men in their twenties doing it, but we were catastrophic at it. It's just not a skill players are cultivated to do anymore. But it's such a handy skill in a match where the players' skill levels are a bit low. Not much of a loss from the game at a higher level, though, too much hit and hope stuff in the game back in the old days for my liking, and ground hurling was a big part of the problem.

Dyr

Clareman wrote: »

In my day* you'd stand up and have a 28", 30", 32" hurley next to you and whichever was closest to the hip you got, you always got the slightly bigger 1 cause sure you'd grow into it. I remember in training once being drilled about shortening the grip and how you didn't need a long swing to have a long puck, I asked why we didn't just have a shorter hurley then, the trainer couldn't answer it. Back then training often involved lines of 3 across the pitch where the lad on the middle had to pull on the ball to keep it as it was passed by the guys at the end, had to use both sides of course.

*Yes, I am old

Jesus I remember the hours spent on that poxy drill with some fecker roaring "tarraing!" at ye the whole time. That and any attempt to solo from the backs was considered a betrayal of the club.:D

Bonniedog

Game has certainly evolved. It is a long way from great backs like Sylvie belting the ball up the field without anything other than hope that Lynskey or Cooney would beat their man assuming it came their direction, to the way Tommy Walsh used to take a second and try to pick out a man. Old games are great to watch but much better game now I think.

I says

Bonniedog wrote: »

Game has certainly evolved. It is a long way from great backs like Sylvie belting the ball up the field without anything other than hope that Lynskey or Cooney would beat their man assuming it came their direction, to the way Tommy Walsh used to take a second and try to pick out a man. Old games are great to watch but much better game now I think.

Refs would have a heart attack if ya went into the pack of players trying to rise the ball and ya ploughed in like a thundering hoare swinging the hurl wildly pulling on the first thing that moves.
As the old saying went if it moved pull on it and if it doesn’t pull anyways.
Ground hurling or doubling on the ball would nearly get ya sent off now for dangerous play.

phkk

I must be very old but I'd still maintain there's room for the odd bit of ground hurling in the modern game!!

The_Kew_Tour

Slieve Gullion wrote: »

:rolleyes:

That it? Go on tell me all about how Cork sway Refs?

zetecescort

I says wrote: »

Refs would have a heart attack if ya went into the pack of players trying to rise the ball and ya ploughed in like a thundering hoare swinging the hurl wildly pulling on the first thing that moves.
As the old saying went if it moved pull on it and if it doesn’t pull anyways.
Ground hurling or doubling on the ball would nearly get ya sent off now for dangerous play.

Sure you cant pull the ball when its thrown in by the ref nowadays

I says

zetecescort wrote: »

Sure you cant pull the ball when its thrown in by the ref nowadays

Ah ya know what I mean pedantic pat

Mucky_Tackies

I see it with the young lads underage. They're so used to the ball pinging about in the all weather that when they pull on a ball on the grass, they look at it as if something is wrong that it only went 10 feet!

hurlingtalk

hurlingtalk.com/2018/07/18/kilkenny-and-tipperary-falling-behind-other-counties-due-to-their-use-of-possession/

look at Tipperary and Kilkenny's possession stats this year and how they compare with the teams left in the championship.

Check twitter @hurlingtalk1 or hurlingtalk.com

All opinions and comment welcome. Even abuse

Bonniedog

I says wrote: »

Refs would have a heart attack if ya went into the pack of players trying to rise the ball and ya ploughed in like a thundering hoare swinging the hurl wildly pulling on the first thing that moves.
As the old saying went if it moved pull on it and if it doesn’t pull anyways.
Ground hurling or doubling on the ball would nearly get ya sent off now for dangerous play.

There were some particularly bad examples of that when Cuala played Mellowes. Callaghan and at least one Mellowes player were booked for pulling on the ball Should be easy enough to see if a player is genuinely playing the ball and pulling late or high to cause injury.

Another thing that jumped out from the 1994 final was amount of lads with gashes to the head. None of them were wearing helmets, so even though I gave up when they became mandatory - not from any Rock like machismo but because I just couldn't get used to the heat and restricted vision - they are a good idea.

Anyone remember when lads started to wear them? I have vague memories of some Kilkenny players including perhaps Keher who was regular target for head shots, wearing them in the 70s. I know that some Dublin players did, including the great Joey Towell a prolific goal scorer who was constant target of assassins at club and county.

Joe_ Public

Remember Brendan Maher in the League s/f this year, connecting with the ball on the ground and being penalized for it. Cost Tipp winning the game in normal time.

First guy to wear a helmet was from Cork, pretty well told story. Had a head injury and got this helmet to wear which was a big ice hockey one I think. Was in the 60s and gradually took off from there.