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AI Senior Hurling- Liam McCarthy Cup 2018

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So it's almost that time of year and new calender and new look hurling championship. Could be one of the most competitive championships in years

Fixtures

Leinster
Round 1
Sat 12 May- Offaly vs Galway
Sun 13 May- Dublin vs Kilkenny

Round 2
Sun 20 May- Kilkenny vs Offaly, Wexford vs Dublin

Round 3
Sat 26 May- Offaly vs Wexford
Sun 27 May- Galway vs Kilkenny

Round 4
Sat 2 June- Wexford vs Galway
Sun 3 June- Dublin vs Offaly

Round 5
Sat 9 June- Kilkenny vs Wexford, Galway vs Dublin

Final- Sun 1st July (1st vs 2nd)

Munster
Round 1
Sun 20 May- Cork vs Clare, Limerick vs Tipperary

Round 2
Sun 27 May- Clare vs Waterford, Tipperary vs Cork

Round 3
Sat 2 June- Cork vs Limerick
Sun 3 June- Waterford vs Tipperary (Gaelic Grounds Limerick)

Round 4
Sun 10 June- Limerick vs Waterford, Tipperary vs Clare

Round 5
Sun 17 June- Waterford vs Cork (Thurles), Clare vs Limerick

Final- Sun 1st July (1st vs 2nd)

3rd in each group progresses to All Ireland Prem round. 4th/5th eliminated from championship

All Ireland Prem Round- Sat 7th July
3rd Munster/Leinster vs Mcdonagh cup finalist
3rd Munster/Leinster vs Mcdonagh cup finalist

All Ireland Quarter Finals- Sun 15th July
Munster runner up vs Prem round winner
Leinster runner up vs Prem round winner

All Ireland Semi finals- Sat 28th/29th July
Leinster champions vs QF winner
Munster champions vs QF winner

All Ireland Final- Sun 19th Aug

Relagation
If a Leinster teams wins the Mcdonagh cup than they will replace the 5th place team in the Leinster championship for 2019 (5th place Leinster team will play in the 2019 Mcdonagh cup)

If Kerry win the Mcdonagh cup they will play the 5th place Munster team in a playoff with the winner playing in the Munster championship in 2019

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Slieve Gullion

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

That it? Go on tell me all about how Cork sway Refs?

That's just the way it is. Cork always going back the decades got match winning favourable decisions more so against Limerick than any other county. Refuse to accept that and you might as well admit you live on planet Pluto.

I says

Clareman wrote: »

I remember at underage that if you spotted a goalie wearing a helmet that he was a coward so you had to stay at the edge of the square for the whole match
:pac::pac:

And the roar from the sideline “come out ta meet him” was for full back to plant opposing centre foward if he turned you’re centre back.
A strategic foul it would be called today

Clareman

Bonniedog wrote: »

There were some particularly bad examples of that when Cuala played Mellowes. Callaghan and at least one Mellowes player were booked for pulling on the ball Should be easy enough to see if a player is genuinely playing the ball and pulling late or high to cause injury.

Another thing that jumped out from the 1994 final was amount of lads with gashes to the head. None of them were wearing helmets, so even though I gave up when they became mandatory - not from any Rock like machismo but because I just couldn't get used to the heat and restricted vision - they are a good idea.

Anyone remember when lads started to wear them? I have vague memories of some Kilkenny players including perhaps Keher who was regular target for head shots, wearing them in the 70s. I know that some Dublin players did, including the great Joey Towell a prolific goal scorer who was constant target of assassins at club and county.

I remember at underage that if you spotted a goalie wearing a helmet that he was a coward so you had to stay at the edge of the square for the whole match
:pac::pac:

kala85

Will there be much of an attendance at the hurling semi finals

MfMan

letowski wrote: »

They should be both very good games, hurling folk are very much looking forward to both games. I think most people have the Cork and Limerick game as a tough one to call, while Galway would be the majority favourites in the other one. I think if your choosing, maybe think about what players you would like to see: Canning, Kelly, Horgan, Lynch, etc. Cant go wrong with whichever game you choose!

All true GAA fans should see 'Mecca' Canning play 'live' at least once in their lives.

letowski

Tombo2001 wrote:

As a neutral - looking to go with the kids to one of the AI semis; am thinking Galway Clare as the AI champs are playing. Am guessing both are expected to be good close matches, so its a toss up as to which might be a better game?

They should be both very good games, hurling folk are very much looking forward to both games. I think most people have the Cork and Limerick game as a tough one to call, while Galway would be the majority favourites in the other one. I think if your choosing, maybe think about what players you would like to see: Canning, Kelly, Horgan, Lynch, etc. Cant go wrong with whichever game you choose!

Tombo2001

As a neutral - looking to go with the kids to one of the AI semis; am thinking Galway Clare as the AI champs are playing. Am guessing both are expected to be good close matches, so its a toss up as to which might be a better game?

Tks.

Bonniedog

A clever player will try to use the stick to take a ball towards himself or a team mate, but % call now is almost always to get the ball to hand. Ground hurling is not even part of most coaching drills I've seen in past ten years.

Joe_ Public

There will always be a place for ground hurling in the game. The mentality today seems to be get ball to hand as quickly as possible at all costs and it’s probably gone too far. Hurling may be a better spectacle today in lots of ways but the all too frequent rucks with up to 12-13 players scrambling for possession are a bit of a modern eyesore if we’re honest.

nice_guy80

phkk wrote: »

I must be very old but I'd still maintain there's room for the odd bit of ground hurling in the modern game!!

There's been more ground hurling in this year's championship than in previous years
A clever players knows when to use it

bruschi

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Remember Brendan Maher in the League s/f this year, connecting with the ball on the ground and being penalized for it. Cost Tipp winning the game in normal time.

First guy to wear a helmet was from Cork, pretty well told story. Had a head injury and got this helmet to wear which was a big ice hockey one I think. Was in the 60s and gradually took off from there.

Con O Callaghan got a booking for Cuala in one of the games they played I remember watching this year. Ball was on the ground and as he pulled on it, his opponent put his leg out over the ball. I think he even connected with the ball, but the ref blew a free and booked him. Terrible decision. Similar to putting your hand up unguarded, dont put yourself in danger, if you stick your leg out on the ball when someone is pulling on it, it shouldnt be a free given then if you connect.

Joe_ Public

Remember Brendan Maher in the League s/f this year, connecting with the ball on the ground and being penalized for it. Cost Tipp winning the game in normal time.

First guy to wear a helmet was from Cork, pretty well told story. Had a head injury and got this helmet to wear which was a big ice hockey one I think. Was in the 60s and gradually took off from there.

Bonniedog

I says wrote: »

Refs would have a heart attack if ya went into the pack of players trying to rise the ball and ya ploughed in like a thundering hoare swinging the hurl wildly pulling on the first thing that moves.
As the old saying went if it moved pull on it and if it doesn’t pull anyways.
Ground hurling or doubling on the ball would nearly get ya sent off now for dangerous play.

There were some particularly bad examples of that when Cuala played Mellowes. Callaghan and at least one Mellowes player were booked for pulling on the ball Should be easy enough to see if a player is genuinely playing the ball and pulling late or high to cause injury.

Another thing that jumped out from the 1994 final was amount of lads with gashes to the head. None of them were wearing helmets, so even though I gave up when they became mandatory - not from any Rock like machismo but because I just couldn't get used to the heat and restricted vision - they are a good idea.

Anyone remember when lads started to wear them? I have vague memories of some Kilkenny players including perhaps Keher who was regular target for head shots, wearing them in the 70s. I know that some Dublin players did, including the great Joey Towell a prolific goal scorer who was constant target of assassins at club and county.

hurlingtalk

hurlingtalk.com/2018/07/18/kilkenny-and-tipperary-falling-behind-other-counties-due-to-their-use-of-possession/

look at Tipperary and Kilkenny's possession stats this year and how they compare with the teams left in the championship.

Check twitter @hurlingtalk1 or hurlingtalk.com

All opinions and comment welcome. Even abuse

Mucky_Tackies

I see it with the young lads underage. They're so used to the ball pinging about in the all weather that when they pull on a ball on the grass, they look at it as if something is wrong that it only went 10 feet!

I says

zetecescort wrote: »

Sure you cant pull the ball when its thrown in by the ref nowadays

Ah ya know what I mean pedantic pat

zetecescort

I says wrote: »

Refs would have a heart attack if ya went into the pack of players trying to rise the ball and ya ploughed in like a thundering hoare swinging the hurl wildly pulling on the first thing that moves.
As the old saying went if it moved pull on it and if it doesn’t pull anyways.
Ground hurling or doubling on the ball would nearly get ya sent off now for dangerous play.

Sure you cant pull the ball when its thrown in by the ref nowadays

The_Kew_Tour

Slieve Gullion wrote: »

:rolleyes:

That it? Go on tell me all about how Cork sway Refs?

phkk

I must be very old but I'd still maintain there's room for the odd bit of ground hurling in the modern game!!

I says

Bonniedog wrote: »

Game has certainly evolved. It is a long way from great backs like Sylvie belting the ball up the field without anything other than hope that Lynskey or Cooney would beat their man assuming it came their direction, to the way Tommy Walsh used to take a second and try to pick out a man. Old games are great to watch but much better game now I think.

Refs would have a heart attack if ya went into the pack of players trying to rise the ball and ya ploughed in like a thundering hoare swinging the hurl wildly pulling on the first thing that moves.
As the old saying went if it moved pull on it and if it doesn’t pull anyways.
Ground hurling or doubling on the ball would nearly get ya sent off now for dangerous play.

Bonniedog

Game has certainly evolved. It is a long way from great backs like Sylvie belting the ball up the field without anything other than hope that Lynskey or Cooney would beat their man assuming it came their direction, to the way Tommy Walsh used to take a second and try to pick out a man. Old games are great to watch but much better game now I think.

Dyr

Clareman wrote: »

In my day* you'd stand up and have a 28", 30", 32" hurley next to you and whichever was closest to the hip you got, you always got the slightly bigger 1 cause sure you'd grow into it. I remember in training once being drilled about shortening the grip and how you didn't need a long swing to have a long puck, I asked why we didn't just have a shorter hurley then, the trainer couldn't answer it. Back then training often involved lines of 3 across the pitch where the lad on the middle had to pull on the ball to keep it as it was passed by the guys at the end, had to use both sides of course.

*Yes, I am old

Jesus I remember the hours spent on that poxy drill with some fecker roaring "tarraing!" at ye the whole time. That and any attempt to solo from the backs was considered a betrayal of the club.:D

Realt Dearg Sec

Clareman wrote: »

In my day* you'd stand up and have a 28", 30", 32" hurley next to you and whichever was closest to the hip you got, you always got the slightly bigger 1 cause sure you'd grow into it. I remember in training once being drilled about shortening the grip and how you didn't need a long swing to have a long puck, I asked why we didn't just have a shorter hurley then, the trainer couldn't answer it. Back then training often involved lines of 3 across the pitch where the lad on the middle had to pull on the ball to keep it as it was passed by the guys at the end, had to use both sides of course.

*Yes, I am old

We did the same thing (I am also old). When I went back to hurling (in the noughties) the manager of the junior team realised that given a lot of players couldn't get ball into hand easily it would be worthwhile to try and improve the ground hurling so that if a ball was loose you could always pull on it. So he had us doing the old ground hurling drill you describe. All men in their twenties doing it, but we were catastrophic at it. It's just not a skill players are cultivated to do anymore. But it's such a handy skill in a match where the players' skill levels are a bit low. Not much of a loss from the game at a higher level, though, too much hit and hope stuff in the game back in the old days for my liking, and ground hurling was a big part of the problem.

Clareman

In my day* you'd stand up and have a 28", 30", 32" hurley next to you and whichever was closest to the hip you got, you always got the slightly bigger 1 cause sure you'd grow into it. I remember in training once being drilled about shortening the grip and how you didn't need a long swing to have a long puck, I asked why we didn't just have a shorter hurley then, the trainer couldn't answer it. Back then training often involved lines of 3 across the pitch where the lad on the middle had to pull on the ball to keep it as it was passed by the guys at the end, had to use both sides of course.

*Yes, I am old

Realt Dearg Sec

Makes sense, the game is about ball control and possession now instead of ground hurling, same reason the bas is bigger I suppose.

I remember around the turn of the century and a little later the Cork players started showing up with bigger bas hurls (hurleys to the southern lads), and more of a heel on them. The O'Connors in particular.

Would people still think of the hurls as differing a bit regionally like they used to? It was common enough back then even to refer to a "Kilkenny style" hurl and a "Cork style" one. I suppose to some extent that's gone now.

I says

Clareman wrote: »

I'm loving the old matches on Eir, total surprise when I flick over. The biggest change (besides fitness) is the size of the hurleys, j@ysus they were long thin things back in the day

Yeah hurls are shorter now the measurement was taken from the hip now it’s measured from the wrist.Only found that out meself when the young fella was getting his first hurl.

Bonniedog

Clareman wrote: »

I'm loving the old matches on Eir, total surprise when I flick over. The biggest change (besides fitness) is the size of the hurleys, j@ysus they were long thin things back in the day

Was thinking that myself this morning! I still have one from around that time, before in fact, and is an awkward oul yoke. Some of the skills were as good as anything you would see now, and some of the misses you would have to put down to the stick and sliothar. Great to see likes of Carey and the Dooleys, Pilkingtons and Frankie Carroll again. Carroll played at some level with Garryspillane until recently enough I think?

Great idea by Eir but I can't find any schedule that tells you when they are showing the games.

Clareman

Bonniedog wrote: »

Eir showed the 1994 final between Offaly and Limerick this morning. Amazing finish. Offaly had 11 point turnaround in last 6 minutes!

Most noticeable thing about the game was that defenders never tried to burst out through tackles. They took a step back and fired it over their shoulder. There were lots of big tough men on both sides but you can see from them that none of them were probably doing gym time.

Beginning of the high intensity training and emphasis on physicality was Wexford under Griffin and Limerick once again were the bridesmaids.

I'm loving the old matches on Eir, total surprise when I flick over. The biggest change (besides fitness) is the size of the hurleys, j@ysus they were long thin things back in the day

Slieve Gullion

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Garbage comment

:rolleyes:

The_Kew_Tour

terryrogers wrote: »

And Cork always seem to have the ref on their side too.

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Garbage comment