Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

Leroy42 wrote: »

You quoted my question in the reply and then told me you couldn't possibly deal with all the questions!

Who told him to change his mind? On what basis was he under the belief that they didn't meddle, since he was told that they did?

Patian Obvious also asked you and you replied "that's the question"

So you don't know. So you don't know who, when, where, why, what or how.

But you are are sure it happened and it makes sense to you!

Does anyone know?
Does anyone believe that it was an honest mis spoken word?

Leroy42

ELM327 wrote: »

What have I failed to answer?
This is a common line wheeled out when there are multitudes of posters on one side and only one or two on the other. It's impossible to reply to everything when every one reply sent gets at least 3-5 posts back

You quoted my question in the reply and then told me you couldn't possibly deal with all the questions!

Who told him to change his mind? On what basis was he under the belief that they didn't meddle, since he was told that they did?

Patian Obvious also asked you and you replied "that's the question"

So you don't know. So you don't know who, when, where, why, what or how.

But you are are sure it happened and it makes sense to you!

Do you even consider the possibility that your opinion is wrong? And if so, what other alternative are there?

We have now POTUS declaring that he absolutely believes it and in fact brought it up with Putin in the secret meeting (which of course no one can verify!). Yet when asked the question by the reporter by failed to say that. Looking back at his previous, are we really supposed to think that had Trump taken Putin to task on this he wouldn't have told everyone? ANd why then think that getting the Russians to help the investigation was a great idea? The US have pretty much all the facts they need at this point. All they really need is the 12 to be handed over.

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everlast75 wrote: »

Montenegro is part of NATO, voted in overwhelmingly.

You might recall at the last NATO meeting, the Pres of Montenegro was the one Trump pushed out of the way and then stuck or his chest.

Montenegro is currently in Afghanistan aiding US efforts after 9/11.

You can bet Montenegro was discussed at the meeting.

You can bet Montenegro is and has been a target for Putin for some time.

You can guess that Trump has a problem with that country, not only because Putin told him to, but probably because it has the word Negro in it.

What would Putin's beef with Montenegro be though? They peacefully seceeded from Serbia about a decade ago, I can't see any other reason unless it's a geographical strategy?

prawnsambo

Akrasia wrote: »

The democrats would be more right wing than the Tories on most issues.

This. It's entirely laughable to call them left wing. But. The actions of the GOP and Trump may have the effect of pushing them further to the left than they have ever been in their history.

Akrasia wrote: »

The democrats would be more right wing than the Tories on most issues.

That supports exactly what I said... although I don't know why we are using UK examples. And anyway I could care less about the democrats and their policies. The last good thing they had was Clinton, Bill of course.

Akrasia

ELM327 wrote: »

That's the question.

Sanders ran under the democrat ticket.
IN terms of the two parties, the democrats are left and the republicans are right.
Compared to this country and EU in general, both would be considered right of center

The democrats would be more right wing than the Tories on most issues.

Akrasia

robinph wrote: »

Wouldn't give him any credit for that as it's just a twist of fate that a bunch of judges happen to retire or die during his term. Trump hasn’t done anything to make it happen, at least I hope not.

It's not an achievement to fill some job vacancies.

Tell that to Obama who couldn't get Garland appointed.

Although I would put the credit for the SC appointments with the GOP rather than trump himself. Trump may sign the nominations, but the republican party made them happen (presuming Kavanagh does actually get through the process)

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Told by who?

That's the question.

prawnsambo wrote: »

That's hilarious. Are you seriously callng the Democrats a left wing party?
They're just a slightly less right wing party than the GOP. There is no 'left' in US politics. Yet.

Sanders ran under the democrat ticket.
IN terms of the two parties, the democrats are left and the republicans are right.
Compared to this country and EU in general, both would be considered right of center

listermint wrote: »

Im questioning your credibility, Just like i do with Trump. Youve pretended to be up for Potus and acting like he was yours, i,e you are in the US. youve claimed to be a pick up driving bumper sticker loving republican. Yes youve never mentioned any pickups on the motoring forum, Believe me im in there enough.

So im struggling to put 2 and 2 together on the credibility scale.

Perhaps we should do an ambrosia test over on the motoring forum. 2 pickups and bumper stickers.

This is completely unnecessary.
I've never claimed to be based in the US. I do have a history of owning US vehicles.
I have mentioned them in the motoring forum.
I've sold them, and bought an Ioniq. I have been posting mostly in the EV forum now. I also spoke with the cmod Unkel at the lucan fast charge point in my Ioniq... and funnily enough he remembered my posting history of the pickups etc.
I also met a couple of other regulars from the motors forum a couple of times in real life and they have been in at least one of my pickups.
I'm not calling out posters on the thread (figure a cmod was ok) but feel free to PM me.

Leroy42 wrote: »

What do you want them to add?

You have basically just admitted that your position is based on nothing but your own opinion, yet you feel that people need to debate it with you?

Your opinion doesn't even stand up against the facts that we do now, so you have invented some others to fit your view and then wonder why others feel it pointless to discuss?

You have been asked a number of time already but failed to anwser.

You told him to change his mind? And by saying that he was told what to say, you are saying that he still doesn't actually believe it and as such lied yesterday in the press conference.

What have I failed to answer?
This is a common line wheeled out when there are multitudes of posters on one side and only one or two on the other. It's impossible to reply to everything when every one reply sent gets at least 3-5 posts back

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Simple.
Total spoofer with the mental maturity of a 13 year old.

That's completely unnecessary.
I've emboldened the three personal insults contained within this post and highlighted them to the moderation team.
Lets see now if liberals are truly given mod actions the same way that I and others on the right are.

robinph

StringerBell wrote: »

I'd never get too certain of anything any of the courts do when he is stacking the Supreme Court in his favour. His only real achievement of note, a somewhat underrated one and one of huge importance.

Stacking the court to a hard conservative state for possibly decades to come.

Wouldn't give him any credit for that as it's just a twist of fate that a bunch of judges happen to retire or die during his term. Trump hasn’t done anything to make it happen, at least I hope not.

It's not an achievement to fill some job vacancies.

NYT running a story claiming trump knew "before his inauguration" that Putin was meddling with the election.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/trump-intelligence-russian-election-meddling-.html#click=https://t.co/a5fImaNx7c

4 things:

1)If this is true, trump has knowingly lied to the world from the start about Russian interference
2)this gives extra credibility to Russia betting the reason he fired Comey
3)he knows that the Mueller investigation is not a witch hunt, yet repeatedly lied
4)the source was supposedly a CIA operative working close to Putin. Its a relatively safe bet that Trump gave up the identity of that Agent in Helsinki.

Thargor wrote: »

I think we see what was discussed in their 2 hour meeting alone, that fool wouldn't be able to point to Montenegro on a map and he suddenly comes out with that?

Montenegro is part of NATO, voted in overwhelmingly.

You might recall at the last NATO meeting, the Pres of Montenegro was the one Trump pushed out of the way and then stuck or his chest.

Montenegro is currently in Afghanistan aiding US efforts after 9/11.

You can bet Montenegro was discussed at the meeting.

You can bet Montenegro is and has been a target for Putin for some time.

You can guess that Trump has a problem with that country, not only because Putin told him to, but probably because it has the word Negro in it.

StringerBell

I think they may have broke Anderson Cooper

I see they do have Trump now saying he was the tough guy again, two days later making up more stories..... It simply doesn't wash I'm afraid Donald.

Not that it matters to a vocal section who don't care about the truth of course, another day another dollar.

Of course it will be amusing to watch the ones who said he was right not to antagonise and look to build better relationship by focusing on the future and forgetting the past now flip 180 and peddle the lie that he was tough with putin magically behind closed doors and how that was the right thing to do.

The whole he didn't answer the question he clearly answered is just more of the same tripe from the WH.

At some point surely Sanders is just gonna break into hysterical laughter at the podium at the absurdity of the **** she must peddle for this chancer

I assume we are all on board the Mueller investigation train too now that Trump does believe the Russian hacking and he will be giving it his full support, interviewing and stopping his attacks on the investigation...

I mean if you listen to Trump he says he always wanted to do an interview, if only he had some control over whether he could make himself available! Damn Democrats stopping him no doubt

Water John

Trump is having more trouble with his explanations. No one believes he didn't answer the question when he said NO to a CBS reporter. Now trying to deny it.

aloyisious

It seems that it was on a CBS interview BUT there is a grammar variation between RTE's midnight newsreaders announcement and the PRINTED wording in the interview. RTE might have been taking two parts of it and conflating them to mean Don told Vlad "I hold you personally responsible for the meddling. It might be a misinterpretation in transmission.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0718/979650-trump-putin/

StringerBell

I guarantee he did not tell Vlad that. Occam's razor and all that, it simply did not go down like that.

Rte coverage has been pretty shambolic in general but who did Trump supposedly say this to?

I see nothing about it from my quick Google, just the usual Twitter rants and lies. Only one I saw referencing Putin was a tweet whining that people hate on him for getting along with putin.

aloyisious

I'm not sure if this's been covered here earlier. RTE midnight news reported that Don said he told Vlad that he holds him personally responsible for the Russian meddling in the US elections. Now if that is correct and there are no grammar mistakes, that is one hell of a step-back and seems to be an end to overt détente with Russia.

StringerBell

I'd never get too certain of anything any of the courts do when he is stacking the Supreme Court in his favour. His only real achievement of note, a somewhat underrated one and one of huge importance.

Stacking the court to a hard conservative state for possibly decades to come.

jooksavage

Appeals court has ruled against Trumps ban on transgender people in the military. Just a hopeful reminder that the system is, for now at least, robust enough to survive Trump.

Thargor

RIGOLO wrote: »

And as we all know he/she who raises the most money does not win the election.
HRC raised 1.2 billion and Trump approx 600 million, yet she still lost.
Democrats seem to be happy to throw their money after the money they already lost on HRC, sounds like something the left would do. The money in this instance is a sign of desperation , no policy no hope lets just throw some money at it.
You got one thing right, 2010 was a wave, a RED wave and that wave is still rolling. THe money came cos they new they could usurp the house and Senate.
And if you believe this "All good. Flip the House now, impeach in January. And there'll be neverTrumpers in the Senate next year.
[/fnt]Then I can only think of one response, its a response an anti-Trumper posted on this site and they didnt get hauled up over it so Im safe to say I can use the same phrase...if you believe that Ive got a bridge Id like to sell you.
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Still struggling with Boards formatting I see, were you given a piece of software that lets you post on multiple bulletin boards at once or something? Why do random sentences in your posts need to go through 5-6 different font styles and size changes?

Water John

Putin obviously doesn't want his, sphere of influence impinged on by the EU or Nato. Trump has given him that now explicitly.

Thargor

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Putins goals becoming more apparent after Trump's interview with Tucker Carlson where they discussed why the US or NATO should come to the defence of Montenegro, a primary target of Russia, in the case of hostilities. Trump describing the tiny nation as both strong and aggressive with the potential to start WW3.

4.58 for the conversation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeOWGpEzPZM

I think we see what was discussed in their 2 hour meeting alone, that fool wouldn't be able to point to Montenegro on a map and he suddenly comes out with that?

prawnsambo

Also Christopher Steele. If anyone has doubts about the accuracy of the Steele dossier, they should be dispelled by that.

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I've a kind of a cheat sheet knowledge of it and Bill Browder is being tagged in tweets left , right and Centre on Twitter.

And Trump also said earlier that no President has been as tough on Russia as he is. I mean the guy knows people can check this stuff and we can also hear him cant he ?

I mentioned above.. check out

http://www.wnycstudios.org/story/death-sergei-magnitsky-bill-browder

Apparently former U.S Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul is on Putin's list.

everlast75 wrote: »

Magnitsky died following solitary confinement, starvation and torture for standing up to and exposing Putin's corruption.

If people don't know who he is, or Bill Browder do your research.

This is absolutely disgraceful stuff.

I've a kind of a cheat sheet knowledge of it and Bill Browder is being tagged in tweets left , right and Centre on Twitter.

And Trump also said earlier that no President has been as tough on Russia as he is. I mean the guy knows people can check this stuff and we can also hear him cant he ?

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Ah Jesus H Christ, he needs to be stopped. As you say Congress needs to grow a set and reassert the fact that the Congress is a Co-Equal branch of the United States government. This is nuts.

Magnitsky died following solitary confinement, starvation and torture for standing up to and exposing Putin's corruption.

If people don't know who he is, or Bill Browder do your research.

This is absolutely disgraceful stuff.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It’s beyond surreal at this stage

It's ruined the TV U.S president shows forever as anything done after Trump will be considered not real enough.

Beechwoodspark

Itssoeasy wrote: »

ABC news are reporting that the White House are clarifying the "no" answer that Trump gave earlier. They are saying the No was in response to whether he would answer questions, not that he taught the Russians were no longer targeting the U.S.

It must be a really stressful gig to be in the WH communications dept.

It’s beyond surreal at this stage