Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

ELM327 wrote: »

Well you concluded there is no such definition.
The left right divide is clear in US politics, arguably more so than most other nations.

Then you will have no problem in defining 'left' so?

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Yeah. And we concluded that there is no such definition. As you so eloquently and succinctly proved yourself when you said: "Like I said about me...
Socially center left, Fiscally far right"

Well you concluded there is no such definition.
The left right divide is clear in US politics, arguably more so than most other nations.

Pa8301 wrote: »

Forget I even asked.

Nothing to add?
Well it's a change from the bogus "higher moral ground" responses that are usually directed my way.

ELM327 wrote: »

Who knows.
My own opinion is that the first comment was what he thinks... and the second is what he was told to change it to.

Who knows.

Forget I even asked.

ELM327 wrote: »

We've been over this already.

Yeah. And we concluded that there is no such definition. As you so eloquently and succinctly proved yourself when you said: "Like I said about me...
Socially center left, Fiscally far right"

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

What's a 'left'? How would I know one?

We've been over this already.

Pa8301 wrote: »

So he hasn't changed his mind/view then? He actually just said what someone else told him to say?

Who knows.
My own opinion is that the first comment was what he thinks... and the second is what he was told to change it to.

Who knows.

RIGOLO wrote: »

Trump speaking freely and openly has delivered the WH to the GOP and given them their strongest legislative position in living memory. In fact the GOP has a stronger position than any party has experienced in living memory.

So while the left rants about fascism, the 30s, coup d'etats and treason, whilst also limiting free speech (good luck with that policy winning votes) the right and Trump administration will roll along spekaing freely and openly and getting the job done and moving on from November into 2020 .
It is indeed all good, for the GOP, the WH , the House, the Senate , the Supreme court and teh majority of State legislative houses .. it is indeed all good.

What's a 'left'? How would I know one?

Leroy42

ELM327 wrote: »

I think he said his actual view when he spoke initially and someone unidentified has made him change it, hence the retraction of the initial comment by stating it was "wouldn't" instead of "would".

Change mind/Change view, it's linguistic nuance but means the same thing essentially.

So some unknown source made him change his mind within 24 hours of the summit he had been building up to for weeks?

And you introduced the changed mind/change view line and now you are saying its the same thing!

So he didn't believe that Putin or Russia had anything to do with election meddling, even after the intelligence agencies told him they did, even after Mueller indicted 12 more of them. But some time after the Helsinki Press Conference, but after the interviews he gave to Tucker and Hannity, he talked to someone and now he fully believes they did it?

That is the story you are going with? So does he now think Putin is lying, because he hasn't called him out on it? And if was told by Putin, as he said he was, during the private meeting that Russia was not involved, how can he claim that the summit was a great success as its clear Putin was lying to him about that and thus one can only conclude about other things.

Quin_Dub

RIGOLO wrote: »

Trump speaking freely and openly has delivered the WH to the GOP and given them their strongest legislative position in living memory. In fact the GOP has a stronger position than any party has experienced in living memory.

So while the left rants about fascism, the 30s, coup d'etats and treason, whilst also limiting free speech (good luck with that policy winning votes) the right and Trump administration will roll along spekaing freely and openly and getting the job done and moving on from November into 2020 .
It is indeed all good, for the GOP, the WH , the House, the Senate , the Supreme court and teh majority of State legislative houses .. it is indeed all good.

And yet despite all of that , they have singularly failed to deliver on pretty much everything on their agenda.

To date the only significant achievement has been the Supreme court seats, which to be fair is an open goal given the House/Senate numbers.

They only just about manage a Tax bill passed and have failed to deliver anything else or any significance.

ELM327 wrote: »

I think he said his actual view when he spoke initially and someone unidentified has made him change it, hence the retraction of the initial comment by stating it was "wouldn't" instead of "would".

Change mind/Change view, it's linguistic nuance but means the same thing essentially.

So he hasn't changed his mind/view then? He actually just said what someone else told him to say?

Pa8301 wrote: »

On what basis do you believe that he has changed his view? Anyway, what's the difference between changing his mind and changing his view?

I think he said his actual view when he spoke initially and someone unidentified has made him change it, hence the retraction of the initial comment by stating it was "wouldn't" instead of "would".

Change mind/Change view, it's linguistic nuance but means the same thing essentially.

Hurrache

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Produced good paying jobs such as mining and manufacturing jobs etc

Most US states lost mining jobs in 2017 apparently.

pixelburp

Yeah, I'm curious as to what concrete achievement Trump managed for his base:

1. Repealing of Obamacare sputtered along and failed to materialise, by and large being a hugely unpopular bill when it eventually crawled over the finished line. IIRC one iteration of the Republican healthcare bill had it as 19% approval. Obamacare limps on, while the subject of single payer floats around.
2. One of his loudest policies during the campaign trail - building the infamous wall that Mexico was going to pay for - is dead, buried and probably unlikely to find its way into a bill. It was always one of the more fanciful ideas, given how logistically and financially impossible it would be.
3. The travel ban? Well I mean sure, after being in & out of the courts for ages, but honestly that's bread and circuses stuff, and by no metic should the threat of terrorism be keeping the flyover states up at night.
4. The various bathroom bills? Well has just seemed like conservatism picking on the one social demographic you could get away with targeting.
5. Roe vs. Wade? Not achieved yet and certainly has folks worried, but doesn't look like anything that'd go down without a fight.

In fact, on the wall: how any serious fiscal conservative could support that idea is beyond me; an obvious boondoggle with no practicality whatsoever yet the base lapped up the idea of spending a fortune on this thing.

Leroy42

ELM327 wrote: »

But suffice it to say... no matter what the man does, he was and is a better option than hillary. He's doing a great job as POTUS **for his target vote base** which is all that matters, and he stands a great chance of being reelected.

This sums up your position very neatly. It really doesn't matter what he does, you don't care. ONce its not HC, the libs or whatever bogeyman you have been told to hate.

The fact that you can't even see that you have basically given in to only worrying about stopping the other side, rather than looking to make America better itself is frankly really odd.

Wanderer78

kunst nugget wrote:

What has he actually succeeded in doing for his target vote base?

Produced good paying jobs such as mining and manufacturing jobs etc

ELM327 wrote: »

Well in the myriad of replies what was your question

ELM327 wrote: »

I believe he changed his mind as he has changed his view, and I do not believe the story presented as the reason for change.

On what basis do you believe that he has changed his view? Anyway, what's the difference between changing his mind and changing his view?

Pa8301 wrote: »

I was one of those posters who you couldn't be bothered replying to...

Well in the myriad of replies what was your question

DrumSteve

kunst nugget wrote: »

What has he actually succeeded in doing for his target vote base?

Triggered dem liberal cucks I suppose.

kunst nugget

What has he actually succeeded in doing for his target vote base?

ELM327 wrote: »

Have you even replied to me?

I was one of those posters who you couldn't be bothered replying to...

everlast75

Just leaving this quote here...

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

— George Orwell, '1984'

RIGOLO

Trump speaking freely and openly has delivered the WH to the GOP and given them their strongest legislative position in living memory. In fact the GOP has a stronger position than any party has experienced in living memory.

So while the left rants about fascism, the 30s, coup d'etats and treason, whilst also limiting free speech (good luck with that policy winning votes) the right and Trump administration will roll along spekaing freely and openly and getting the job done and moving on from November into 2020 .
It is indeed all good, for the GOP, the WH , the House, the Senate , the Supreme court and teh majority of State legislative houses .. it is indeed all good.

ELM327 wrote: »

To be frank I don't give a toss what you believe or dont.
I've never claimed to be in the US. I have an interest in US vehicles and have owned several, including two pickups, a 60s land yacht and an SUV. The bumper stickers I bought at car shows, the vehicles I bought on donedeal, ebay uk, donedeal and ebay US respectively.

I also have an interest in EVs, have owned two (recently bought my Ioniq), and have a deposit down on a model 3 as the used model S I was considering was out of my budget at nearly £50k for the best one.

Now... what all that has to do with the issue at hand I don't know.

There are so many posts quoting my posts that I'm not going to bother replying to them all as I simply don't have the time.
But suffice it to say... no matter what the man does, he was and is a better option than hillary. He's doing a great job as POTUS **for his target vote base** which is all that matters, and he stands a great chance of being reelected.

Agreed except that much of his 'great job' is more optics than substance.

Pa8301 wrote: »

Because you've spewed out so much nonsense that you can't actually back up with any sort of reasons or facts.

Have you even replied to me?

Hazys

What is Putin thinking during all this?

He was a KGB foreign operative during the entirety of cold war where the US was enemy no.1. He then became a politician and worked his way all the way up to the top of the Russian political system becoming President and then he cemented himself as President for the unforeseeable future. He is a highly skilled negotiator and leader with very little morality to hold him back. Playing dirty by literally killing off the opposition or rigging/manipulating the rules at both home and abroad makes him an insanely powerful adversary to the west.

On the other hand you have Trump. A failed business man turned reality TV star. A narcissist who craves attention turned novice politician.

During the cold war the fight was competitive between USSR and the USA, but ultimately the US arguably came out well on top. Do you think Putin has put the cold war behind him and forgotten who his enemy is? It’s amazing that I even have to type that question. The Cold War and USSR may have ended but Russia still knows who its enemy is. Leaving out the possibility that Russia has been manipulating people of power and rich people of the US like Trump so they can be blackmailed later as we don’t know that for sure right now. But what we know for a fact is that they influenced the 2016 US Election to help push the candidate of their choice.

Russia saw a massive opportunity in the 2016 US Election. They saw how deeply divided the US is and they wanted to wedge that divide further. More importantly they also saw that there was a possibility to get a highly unqualified individual as the President of their arch rival (who you may be able to blackmail). Putin and the Russians must have been delighted at the success.

So not only as soon as this highly unqualified “politician” is put in place, Trump starts praising you constantly. The incompetence of Trump also starts increasing the tension between the Western superpowers of the EU and the USA. He then agrees to meet with you. Putin meets with Trump in person, the mismatch is monumental. Not only are you able to the get the leader of your arch rival to disown his own intelligence and believe your denial in private, he does it on live TV in front of the world. You made the President of your mortal enemy make a fool of himself and his country and you didn’t have to utter a word. Putin played Trump so badly it was extremely embarrassing. The next day Trump has to issue some of the most pathetic backtracking of all time and the funny thing is the US is so divided and easily manipulated that 50% of the population will eat that explanation up.

Putin is probably shirtless on a horse laughing at the US right now as I type this. He knows after years of being little brother to the US and the West, their opportunity to turn the tide in their favor is no greater now that it has ever been in history. With Trump not dropping the hammer on him for messing with their election but actually bending over to him instead, he knows its open season on attacking the US again.

ELM327 wrote: »

There are so many posts quoting my posts that I'm not going to bother replying to them all as I simply don't have the time.

Because you've spewed out so much nonsense that you can't actually back up with any sort of reasons or facts.

RIGOLO wrote: »

And as we all know he/she who raises the most money does not win the election.
HRC raised 1.2 billion and Trump approx 600 million, yet she still lost.
Democrats seem to be happy to throw their money after the money they already lost on HRC, sounds like something the left would do. The money in this instance is a sign of desperation , no policy no hope lets just throw some money at it.
You got one thing right, 2010 was a wave, a RED wave and that wave is still rolling. THe money came cos they new they could usurp the house and Senate.
And if you believe this "All good. Flip the House now, impeach in January. And there'll be neverTrumpers in the Senate next year.
Then I can only think of one response, its a response an anti-Trumper posted on this site and they didnt get hauled up over it so Im safe to say I can use the same phrase...if you believe that Ive got a bridge Id like to sell you.

The GOP have nothing to worry about so. It's all good. Let's hope The Donald continues to speak freely and often.