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Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

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seamus

ELM327 wrote: »

Too many liberal changes (CHECK)

Creeping in socialism that didnt work (Obamacare)(CHECK)

Unhappy at left wing ideology being enforced on all, when this is only really supported in California,NY and a couple of other large areas - but the states as a collective union do not generally support (NB look at the geographic vote dispersion)(CHECK)

Taking some sort of action against the border problem, terrorism and immigration (CHECK)

Being a "voice for the voiceless" in the whitehouse, IE those who do not support or conform to this liberal agenda.(CHECK)

So that's four "sticking it to the liberals" and one "curtailing immigration".

Can you tease out any kind of detail, what "liberal changes" in particular most draw your ire? The things which have happened, which you believe Trump is reversing, or will reverse?

FreudianSlippers

12gauge dave wrote: »

Donald trump is the leader of the free world. Favourite to win the nobel peace prize award favourite to win in 2020 for a second term.
Must be hard times for you guys he keeps winning and winning and winning:)

ELM327 wrote: »

+1
#MAGA
#TrainStillRollin

I'm wondering why these two who don't even seem to live in the US or be Americans love Donald Trump so much?

kunst nugget

ELM327 wrote: »

But what I will say is I'm glad he's not an actual politician as he is free to change his mind when he wishes.

He's the POTUS which means he is an actual politician. As soon as he entered politics, he became a politician…

Captain Obvious

Hey Cheerful, I found some actual "coup talk" for you. It's from Trump's campaign.

“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”

FreudianSlippers

ELM327 wrote: »

Boards is very left wing.
The posters here voted by 85% approximately (from memory) in favour of abortion.

79% of Americans support abortion; 29% under any circumstances and 50% with limitations.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

Pew broke it down a bit more including those with a more restrictive view (i.e. illegal in most cases), but still the vast majority were not against abortion.

http://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

There's very much a socialist undertone to most economic threads.

I'd agree with you there, but it's one of the things that I've always been confused about in the US - I know it's from the USSR and Communism - but Americans don't seem to understand the difference between (i) Communism and Socialism or (ii) Socialist policies and "Socialism".

The vast majority of Americans have Socialist policies impact their everyday lives and they don't even know about it.

Furthermore, a huge swath of Americans would significantly benefit from Socialist policies helping them.

I can only surmise that poor people in America are either ignorant or brainwashed or some combination of the two.

ELM327

Leroy42 wrote: »

So have any Trump supporters anything to actually say on his totally embarrassing climb down yesterday?

Without the reason for the change I can't say why he changed his mind.
But what I will say is I'm glad he's not an actual politician as he is free to change his mind when he wishes.

Leroy42 wrote: »

What was it that made you vote or side with Trump? And which of those things is he delivering on?

Let's see what changes Trump as POTUS brings, and the reason I side with him:

Too many liberal changes (CHECK)
Creeping in socialism that didnt work (Obamacare)(CHECK)
Unhappy at left wing ideology being enforced on all, when this is only really supported in California,NY and a couple of other large areas - but the states as a collective union do not generally support (NB look at the geographic vote dispersion)(CHECK)
Taking some sort of action against the border problem, terrorism and immigration (CHECK)
Being a "voice for the voiceless" in the whitehouse, IE those who do not support or conform to this liberal agenda.(CHECK)

kunst nugget

That ISIS crowd. I dont understand why people cant relax and enjoy the ride above all else they are a breath of fresh air the underdog who took on a whole geopolitical system that hated them and are doing things their way. While i dont agree with anything they do at least they're not the same old story…

everlast75

Leroy42 wrote: »

So have any Trump supporters anything to actually say on his totally embarrassing climb down yesterday? The man who 'tell it like it is' can't even speak the words he actually means, and it takes him 24 hours, and he had already done 2 interviews in the that time, before he finally realised that he had misspoken?

This isn't about left or right, this should be about, and its his own rallying call, America first. But Trump is clearly not America first. In his speech yesterday he accepted that Russia had medled in the election, yet he failed completely to hold Putin to task on it. Did he believe that Russia meddled before the summit, which his restatement yesterday seems to suggest, and still choose to do nothing about it? Or did he not believe and thus is lying about misspeaking?

Why do I say he is not America first? His speech yesterday, where he had to admit that Russia meddled in the election, (which lets not forget his own son tried to play an active part in) was not about protecting America, it was about protecting him. And his supporters fell for it. They come out with lines like, "so what, it only FB and anyway he got 60m votes".

And the one thing that runs through all of the lines of defence is that the hatred for the left is more than the love of the US and what, at least prior to this, it stood for. They are so fearful of the liberals that they are willing to throw out people like Mueller who have given their whole lives to the protection of the country. We love the Vets, unless they don't agree with us then they are shills.

Sometimes the answer is not to simply blame everyone else but to look at yourself. What was it that made you vote or side with Trump? And which of those things is he delivering on?

There is no credible way he "misspoke". He said, beside Putin what he has repeatedly said, since Summer 2016.

The fact was that he saw nothing wrong with what he said. He had to be told by others that this was a complete and utter sh1tstorm and it needed to be fixed. I'd wager 100e Coates threatened to resign.

It took them over 24 hours to come up with the nonsense that he misspoke. I mean, anytime after that conference, any time at all, he could have corrected it - hell, even tweeted a correction. But no, over 24 hours to come up with that?? He misspoke???

It is also embarrassingly laughable that he "reviewed the transcript" and only then realised what he said. He has never reviewed anything written in his life.

And do you know how, I 100% know, that this whole misspoke is utter nonsense?

Its because of the addendum HE put at the end of the prepared statement... "it could be others". He couldn't help himself.

You can almost hear the simultaneous slaps of dozens of face palms occurring at that exact time.

He is a weak and pathetic fool. Trump defenders should have some self respect and call it for what it is.

StringerBell

12gauge dave wrote: »

This is the most offended ive ever felt on boards. I expected more from a political thread.
If anyone supports trump they are made to feel stupid or below par intelligence and that is damn right unfair.

Please, please tell me that is a continuation of your last post regarding snowflakes because surely the irony is way too much for the even the most blind to see? Post of the day material for sure, I doff my hat you sir.

On a serious note I can appreciate how supporting Trump would make someone feel stupid, it must grate on his supporters at times when he makes fools of them but look, this is what ye signed up for. It's not like he ever portrayed himself as anything other than what he is.

You will get through this.

ELM327

weisses wrote: »

posted 11 minutes apart

I'm confused

That's because you left out the rest of my post.
On purpose probably to prove your point.
Because within the context of my post the sentence quoted had a different meaning.

weisses

ELM327 wrote: »

Muslim ban is needed, because that's where the trouble is coming from.

posted 11 minutes apart

ELM327 wrote: »

This post is a perfect example of faux debate, which is condescension in actuality.

I'm confused

Leroy42

So have any Trump supporters anything to actually say on his totally embarrassing climb down yesterday? The man who 'tell it like it is' can't even speak the words he actually means, and it takes him 24 hours, and he had already done 2 interviews in the that time, before he finally realised that he had misspoken?

This isn't about left or right, this should be about, and its his own rallying call, America first. But Trump is clearly not America first. In his speech yesterday he accepted that Russia had medled in the election, yet he failed completely to hold Putin to task on it. Did he believe that Russia meddled before the summit, which his restatement yesterday seems to suggest, and still choose to do nothing about it? Or did he not believe and thus is lying about misspeaking?

Why do I say he is not America first? His speech yesterday, where he had to admit that Russia meddled in the election, (which lets not forget his own son tried to play an active part in) was not about protecting America, it was about protecting him. And his supporters fell for it. They come out with lines like, "so what, it only FB and anyway he got 60m votes".

And the one thing that runs through all of the lines of defence is that the hatred for the left is more than the love of the US and what, at least prior to this, it stood for. They are so fearful of the liberals that they are willing to throw out people like Mueller who have given their whole lives to the protection of the country. We love the Vets, unless they don't agree with us then they are shills.

Sometimes the answer is not to simply blame everyone else but to look at yourself. What was it that made you vote or side with Trump? And which of those things is he delivering on?

Akrasia

12gauge dave wrote: »

This is the most offended ive ever felt on boards. I expected more from a political thread.
If anyone supports trump they are made to feel stupid or below par intelligence and that is damn right unfair.

I'm not sure if this post is supposed to be satire or genuine

Outlaw Pete

seamus wrote: »

... it wasn't a "misspeak", it was intentional.

Whether it was, or wasn't, is irrelevant as he said twice at the conference that he had confidence in his intel, and we know from his comments over the last year that he fully accepts that the Russians meddled, hence him having a go at the Obama administration for letting it happen on their watch.

I wonder has one of his legal team spotted a solid avenue for treason on the basis of the statement and advised Don that he needs to fix it ASAP.

"Solid avenue for treason"? You can't be serious.

Chips Lovell

Despite multiple mod warnings at regular intervals, this thread has (once again) taken a turn for the worse, with a lot of people more interested in taking potshots at the other side than engaging in serious debate.

So, let's all take a deep breath and carefully read the charter.

Also, if you want to post memes, call people "snowflakes", or engage in any other kind of eejitry, this isn't the place. Consider Twitter or Reddit instead.

molloyjh

ELM327 wrote: »

Boards is very left wing.
The posters here voted by 85% approximately (from memory) in favour of abortion. There's very much a socialist undertone to most economic threads.

Boards is an Irish internet discussion forum. You are bound to have a pretty obvious bias on a website like that. In the same way that you're bound to have an automatic bias on a forum about guns or a particular sports teams fan forum.

However, generally speaking Irish people tend to be fairly liberal in terms of social issues and fairly centrist on economic issues. The problem is that centrist is "left" of where most Americans are. And it seems when discussing these things a lot of Americans see it in a sense, either you agree with me 100% or you're a leftie. As someone else mentioned earlier, things are almost never that binary.

Wanderer78

ELM327 wrote:

Boards is very left wing. The posters here voted by 85% approximately (from memory) in favour of abortion. There's very much a socialist undertone to most economic threads.

Be ta Jaysis, boards left wing, abortion, socialist, where does one begin!

pixelburp

ELM327 wrote: »

This post is a perfect example of faux debate, which is condescension in actuality.

You dogpile on the contributors here using flippant epithets, what exactly do you want in terms of 'debate'? It's ok for you to affect defensiveness and condescend towards posters here, but not OK for a response, or for users to defend in kind?

You try to tar everyone with the big brush of socialism, yet I'm guessing you either don't read, or else have missed, the threads and contributions from regular posters on this thread that run counter to your claim. A dislike of Trump is not a prerequisite to Left Wing politics, no matter how hard you want it to be true.

Especially as Trump himself was a Democrat for the longest time.

RIGOLO

Wompa1 wrote: »

I live in Arizona at the moment. Have been here for 7 years. Pre-Obamacare, during Obamacare and the way things are going post-Obamacare. Lived here during the Benghazi hearings. Romney. The 2016 election. etc. It's all been so exhausting and these days it's pretty much unbearable. There's something awful every single day now.

Unfortunately, American people are conditioned. Marketing is very effective on people here. When I moved over here I cringed at some of the advertising and how over the top it was. Also, it frustrated me how much advertising there is just throughout every day life here. Trump is a moron, that's clear to see but he's obviously got one talent and that's marketing to Americans. He can market to other morons. He has been doing that so effectively that morons will now believe anything he says and take his side no matter what. Even when there's irrefutable evidence which shows he's lying, they'll just ignore that and say it doesn't matter because this, this and that.

It's a pretty dangerous time over here. The economy has been pretty good right from when I moved here. From about 2015 the place was close to full employment (by American standards) and in this state the price of living is low. Since Trump got elected, the racists have become emboldened. The morons have become emboldened. Some of the sh1t you see on bumper stickers and T-shirts is disgusting. The attitude of those who have become very vocal about their support for him and his policies are also baffling. You'd think if he's making sh1t great again, they'd be happy. Instead they still act like they are the victims.

I hope Ireland doesn't get infected by this sickness.

You do realise you live in a red state.
You do realise your enjoying all the fruits of living in a Red state..talk about being ungrateful.

Arizona voted 54% for John McCain GOP in 2008
Arizona voted 54% for Mitt Romney GOP in 2012
Arizona voted 49% for Donald Trump GOP in 2016

You do realise that Arizona State legislature has a large Republican majority and has been for quite a while
You do realise Arizona is one of the top choices for millenials to move too who wish to escape the Democrat controlled states they currently live in.

Perhaps you should move to another state , with less Republican and Trump supporters , less morons to use your phrase.
Its your choice, have a great life and be grateful to the republicans who make up the bulk of those around you and have to put up with bumper stickers of them expressing their opinion (opinions you dont like) or move to a state where you have more people who agree with you and perhaps have a crappeir life and cost of living.. gotta love that union of states you can easily move between them, if you dont like the one your in.
Alternatively just express your right by voting in the 'blue wave' in November.. just keep in mind Arizon has not elected a Democratic Senator in 30 years. Or else vote for McSally and hope the GOP stay in power there and you can continue the good life. If the Dems do win Arizona in Nov, in 20 years if your still there with family you will be looking to move out of the mess they created out of your wonderful State.
Judging by all the benefits you have of living in Arizona if I were you Id be praying the Dems never take over and run it into the ground.

ELM327

spacecoyote wrote: »

Didn't realise that boards was a left wing media organisation. I thought it was a public forum where people are free to express their opinions within a defined charter? And I don't remember that charter being a left-wing agenda either?

Boards is very left wing.
The posters here voted by 85% approximately (from memory) in favour of abortion. There's very much a socialist undertone to most economic threads.

pixelburp wrote: »

If there's one thing I've learned from reading folks' opinions on other subjects on this forum - is that tarring everyone with the same brush as 'left wing brigade' is so far off the mark it's ludicrous & naive. Frankly it smacks of a blinkered approach, reaching for offence.

People are complex and not just one thing, and the last thing I'd call half the folks here is "left wing" - if you actually bothered to read other threads, you'll soon find plenty of opinions from Trump detractors that'd be very much on the right-wing scale of flippancy.

On subjects such as abortion, migration, Brexit and other topics, I've read plenty of opinions that run contrary to this pigeonholing of "left wing" - yet, shock, these same folks don't like Donald Trump.

And how do you square this sports-team mentality with the fact even Republican congressional members and senators have expressed discomfort and (partisan filtered) rebukes towards their own President? Are they part of the left-wing brigade? Are Fox News, given even they found Trumps recent actions a step foo far?

As to the photo, Donald Trump adores Strongmen leaders: he has fawned over Putin, Duterte, Erodgen, and Kim-Jon Un when visiting / meeting them. It's not in keeping with the debating standards of this forum, but it's funny and on point. It's called satire.

This post is a perfect example of faux debate, which is condescension in actuality.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I was (rightly) called out by a mod for referring to Trump by a nickname yesterday, so your point is completely invalid, it's not just on one side. You're trying to push a victim narrative here, and it's extremely transparent.

I thought one of the things people liked so much about Trump was the fact he's not afraid to be offensive, that he says what he wants without worrying about being PC, yet as soon as sonething remotely offensive is posted about him, suddenly offensive is bad again.

There may be some actions taken against the left but - similarly to your post - all I can go on is my own impression based on the anecdotal evidence presented to me.

I'm not trying to "push" anything, merely commenting on how I feel. It's some of these feelings of resentment and being spoken down to, that Trump capitalised on in the election. They don't seem to be subsiding in the US so I am still optimistic of a second term for Trump.

See - that is something good about Trump IMO - "Politically uncorrect".
However the left criticises that part of Trump. So... if you criticise Trump for his un-PC nature, why are demeaning insults of him allowed.

seamus

ELM327 wrote: »

Consistency is missing.

I'm going to guess this poster chooses to complain on-thread about inconsistency rather than report the posts and let the mods deal with it.

On-topic, yesterday's farce is interesting, because it seems like the first time Don is actually a bit rattled. His pig-headed ignorance and self-superiority usually knows no bounds, he never really admits error.
So I wonder what was said to him and by whom. He's lying of course; he repeated the same belief in non-collusion twice more after the press conference, so it wasn't a "misspeak", it was intentional.

I wonder has one of his legal team spotted a solid avenue for treason on the basis of the statement and advised Don that he needs to fix it ASAP.

Every time he kowtows to Putin, the Republican support crumbles that little bit more. There will always be a hard core of zealots who will put party over country, but eventually they too will be outnumbered.

pixelburp

ELM327 wrote: »

You're wasting your time mate, they will claim the moral high ground with every post, don't waste your time arguing with them.
It's ok for left to make fun of right but not the other way round. I've learned that on boards and other left wing media.

If there's one thing I've learned from reading folks' opinions on other subjects on this forum - is that tarring everyone with the same brush as 'left wing brigade' is so far off the mark it's ludicrous & naive. Frankly it smacks of a blinkered approach, reaching for offence.

People are complex and not just one thing, and the last thing I'd call half the folks here is "left wing" - if you actually bothered to read other threads, you'll soon find plenty of opinions from Trump detractors that'd be very much on the right-wing scale of flippancy.

On subjects such as abortion, migration, Brexit and other topics, I've read plenty of opinions that run contrary to this pigeonholing of "left wing" - yet, shock, these same folks don't like Donald Trump.

And how do you square this sports-team mentality with the fact even Republican congressional members and senators have expressed discomfort and (partisan filtered) rebukes towards their own President? Are they part of the left-wing brigade? Are Fox News, given even they found Trumps recent actions a step foo far?

As to the photo, Donald Trump adores Strongmen leaders: he has fawned over Putin, Duterte, Erodgen, and Kim-Jon Un when visiting / meeting them. It's not in keeping with the debating standards of this forum, but it's funny and on point. It's called satire.

spacecoyote

12gauge dave wrote: »

This thread is unreal the poster above has called trump supporters morons.

Did you read his full post. He's immersed in it at the moment. It's an informed opinion, based on personal experience. He's entitled to that opinion, in the exact same way that you use the term "liberal" as a derogatory label.

ELM327 wrote: »

You're wasting your time mate, they will claim the moral high ground with every post, don't waste your time arguing with them.
It's ok for left to make fun of right but not the other way round. I've learned that on boards and other left wing media.

Didn't realise that boards was a left wing media organisation. I thought it was a public forum where people are free to express their opinions within a defined charter? And I don't remember that charter being a left-wing agenda either?

ELM327

circadian wrote: »

Trump mocks a disabled reporter.
It's offensive.
I guess I'm a snowflake.

I'm a Trump supporter since before he ran.
I owned 2 pickup trucks with Trump stickers on the bumper.
I wasn't ok with the mocking of a disabled person, that's Not Cool as the kids would say.

circadian wrote: »

Trump suggests that there are "bad people on both sides" in Charlottesville.
I'm dismayed at such a misguided statement.
I guess I'm a snowflake.

There were bad people on both sides.
Obviously the car into crowd guy was worse, but that doesnt excuse what went on before.
Have you watched "White Right - Meeting the Enemy" on Netflix? It's written by a muslim woman who documented the alt right groups that were marching that day. A great documentary (and I'm more identified with the alt right than with her), but it shows how she got maced by the liberals as she was marching alongside the right wingers. Not cool. And definitely "bad guys on both sides"

circadian wrote: »

Trump implements his Muslim ban.
I'm appalled at the xenophobia/secterianism on display.
I guess I'm a snowflake.

.

Muslim ban is needed, because that's where the trouble is coming from. Important to note that it is not a "muslim ban" per se, as muslims from the west (EG Ireland for instance) are not subjected to it, merely those from problematic countries.

If it was classed not as a "Muslim Ban" but a "ban on immigration from 8 countries with proven links to terrorism or terrorist regimes" it would have been less problematic. Nomenclature is the problem, and if you're getting triggered by nomenclature then that poses more questions about you imo.

[Deleted User]

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes but (and correct me if I'm wrong 12gagedave) I'd say his point is that he gets moderated for saying it, but it's perfectly acceptable in the common vernacular for people to deride Trump supporters using terms like "moron" and the ridiculously offensive photo above. If that was of Barack Hussein Obama it would have been deleted by now, and the poster banned.

Consistency is missing.

Calling Trump supporters morons, a fair point.

The photo is not offensive, it's relevant and it's satire.

I doubt if someone posted an image of Obama like this it they would be banned, it would be fine provided it was on point and not some birther conspiracy theory.

jjpep

How is that picture offensive?

ELM327

Deleted User wrote: »

You were the one calling people snowflakes earlier if I recall.

Yes but (and correct me if I'm wrong 12gagedave) I'd say his point is that he gets moderated for saying it, but it's perfectly acceptable in the common vernacular for people to deride Trump supporters using terms like "moron" and the ridiculously offensive photo above. If that was of Barack Hussein Obama it would have been deleted by now, and the poster banned.

Consistency is missing.

[Deleted User]

Double post!

Hurrache

We've really stepped through the looking glass this morning.

[Deleted User]

12gauge dave wrote: »

This thread is unreal the poster above has called trump supporters morons.

What was it you were saying about snowflakes?

It appears to me that when someone detracts about Trump or his base, who haven't exactly covered themselves in glory by pushing conspiracy theories and outright lies, that very base reacts like the "snowflakes" they accuse others of.

Trump mocks a disabled reporter.
It's offensive.
I guess I'm a snowflake.

Trump suggests that there are "bad people on both sides" in Charlottesville.
I'm dismayed at such a misguided statement.
I guess I'm a snowflake.

Trump implements his Muslim ban.
I'm appalled at the xenophobia/secterianism on display.
I guess I'm a snowflake.

Maybe people should be asking why is there so much outrage at most of the things he does instead of branding them snowflakes. Look at this presidency objectively. With facts not feelings or bias.

Calling people snowflakes, the outraged liberals, SJWs or whatever else just shows an unwillingness to engage while accusing them of the same. I've seen numerous occasions on this thread where facts were presented only to be rebuked with claims that they're anti Trump. That's not a debate and is either willful ignorance or a siege mentality.