Water John wrote: » Trump back pedalling as fast as he can. Brutal stuff. Live on Sky
Cheerful Spring wrote: » Calling for a coup here by Philip Mudd. Whos this shadow government his referring to oppose trump?
MadYaker wrote: » Is anyone else surprised by Obama's silence on this one? I know he's in Africa at the moment but when Trump sank the Iran deal he took to social media to speak out against it and this is a way, waaaaay bigger incident than that imo.
MadYaker wrote: » Do you nonestly think that those 2 examples are similar?
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Haha, the irony.
molloyjh wrote: » Politician in politicking shocker. :eek:
MadYaker wrote: » My bad, thanks for that. Is anyone else surprised by Obama's silence on this one? I know he's in Africa at the moment but when Trump sank the Iran deal he took to social media to speak out against it and this is a way, waaaaay bigger incident than that imo.
MadYaker wrote: » There's going to be an opening ceremony in may? Of next year? How many more deaths will that cause
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Don't recall that, sure you're not thinking of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPMDGLbmdgo
The nation's top voting machine maker has admitted in a letter to a federal lawmaker that the company installed remote-access software on election-management systems it sold over a period of six years, raising questions about the security of those systems and the integrity of elections that were conducted with them.
The Trump administration will end a longstanding requirement that certain nonprofit organizations disclose the names of their large donors to the Internal Revenue Service, a move that will allow some political groups to shield their sources of funding from government scrutiny
It has now emerged that the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem will cost almost 100 times more than the president said in March. Trump told reporters at the time, “They put an order in front of my desk last week for $1 billion.... We’re actually doing it for about $250,000, so check that out.” Maryland construction firm Desbuild Limak D&K has now been awarded a $21.2 million contract to design and build “compound security upgrades” at the facility, Al-Monitor has reported. The U.S. government already spent $335,402 upgrading the property—formerly a consulate building—ahead of the embassy's opening ceremony in May.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » listermint wrote: » I do recall Obama standing in Brussels with the Head of Isis, Mr Isis and saying to the worlds waiting television that he believed Mr Isis was the best Isis he had met. And that american intelligence was only out to get Mr Isis. And it was all the republicans fault and George Bush Jr who was just keeping Anti Isis propaganda going. He Believed Mr Isis because they had a private meeting and hes a good guy Great TV a the time i recall. Don't recall that, sure you're not thinking of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPMDGLbmdgo
listermint wrote: » I do recall Obama standing in Brussels with the Head of Isis, Mr Isis and saying to the worlds waiting television that he believed Mr Isis was the best Isis he had met. And that american intelligence was only out to get Mr Isis. And it was all the republicans fault and George Bush Jr who was just keeping Anti Isis propaganda going. He Believed Mr Isis because they had a private meeting and hes a good guy Great TV a the time i recall.
Matt Barrett wrote: » Whether he believed it or not his comments were the damage. It doesn't matter what is intentions where. The point that he said those things is the event. That's the damage. The fact he may be merely going with the flow at the time or it isn't policy matters not. It's not like negotiating a deal and changing your mind. The deal is done. It was done at the press conference. He sided with Putin. The fact that Trump is no diplomat and changes his mind from one minute to the next is a problem, but this event happened. Caused damage and has passed.
molloyjh wrote: » Trump said he believed Putin. That doesn't mean he did. He'll happily flip flop on this stuff all day long. He says what is convenient at that particular moment in time for him. That could change at any time. This isn't a policy position that we're talking about here. It isn't a decision on a course of action. It's a few words uttered by a man who doesn't understand the importance of those words. And doesn't care. It might reflect what he decides to do, it might not. Trump is that guy who walks into an interview for a technical job having not prepared in any way and attempts to bluff his way through it despite not having any real knowledge of the subject. Words fall from his mouth, but there's no real thought behind them. He probably barely remembers what he said minutes after he says it.
Gbear wrote: » To fully realise the analogy Obama's administration would've also had to have been under investigation for its ties to ISIS at the time and their role in undermining the US government at the highest levels, but given the tendency for Trump's base to believe that Obama was some kind of Muslamic Commie Nazi, perhaps RIGOLO had already made that assumption when they were making the point. In short, no RIGOLO, that is not even remotely similar.
Quin_Dub wrote: » That doesn't answer the question you are responding to at all though.. Your Obama example is an example of a political and foreign policy mistake - A pretty big one to be fair. But countless governments over the years have miscalculated or downplayed a particular political risk and later been shown up for it.. What you were asked about is an example where a US President PUBLICLY sided with a foreign hostile power over their own staff. For your example to be equivalent , Obama would have had to be sharing a stage somewhere with the leader of ISIS and announced "I don't think ISIS are a threat , they've told me all they want is a quiet life and I believe them".
RIGOLO wrote: » Thats easy, the Obama adminstration ignored its own intellegience reports warning of the rise of ISIS and establishment of a salafist taking advantage of the conflict in Syria. If anything the intelligence agencies got it wrong in 2012 as they identified ISIS as an aid for regime change in Syria. So yeah Obama bent over for ISIS and everyone paid the price, remember the convoys of fighters streaming across the deserts and Obama would not let his military take them out.. http://www.globalresearch.ca/defense-intelligence-agency-create-a-salafist-principality-in-syria-facilitate-rise-of-islamic-state-in-order-to-isolate-the-syrian-regime/5451216
Professor Moriarty wrote: » amandstu wrote: » I wonder if Putin might have said something to Trump in private that reinforced Trump's scepticism regarding his intelligence forces (and the FBI) I can imagine him doing this in a very subtle way. Yes. For instance, he might have said that The Donald shouldn't piss him off in anyway.
amandstu wrote: » I wonder if Putin might have said something to Trump in private that reinforced Trump's scepticism regarding his intelligence forces (and the FBI) I can imagine him doing this in a very subtle way.
Gbear wrote: » Can you name another example of anything like this in US Presidential history - that they would not just kowtow to a hostile power, but do it explicitly at the expense of their own intelligence services?
RIGOLO wrote: » Thats easy, the Obama adminstration ignored its own intellegience reports warning of the rise of ISIS and establishment of a salafist taking advantage of the conflict in Syria. If anything the intelligence agencies got it wrong in 2012 as they identified ISIS as an aid for regime change in Syria. So yeah Obama bent over for ISIS and everyone paid the price, remember the convoys of fighters streaming across the deserts and Obama would not let his military take them out.. http://www.globalresearch.ca/defense-intelligence-agency-create-a-salafist-principality-in-syria-facilitate-rise-of-islamic-state-in-order-to-isolate-the-syrian-regime/5451216 So yeah its easy to find examples of everything and anything. Just cos the left are suddenly woke to geo-politics and dirty tricks , theres actually nothing new to see here, the US intelligence has as long a history of cockups as it has of successes, and similarily the WH adminsitration are free to tow its own line even if its contrary to the Intelligence reports. no need for the anti-trumpers to roll out the 'whatboutery comments and use of Obama ' ... someone asked for an example of a prior administration, hence the Obama response. As a student of history these same events have played out dozens of times before, even the level of mass hysteria and tin hat theories on the left is probably not a first. The fact the left is still behaving like that , I dont see it as a sign of progress. Its a regressive response, thankfully the hysteria is only manifesting and infecting the left and the right will move on with the momentum already in flow.
