Hurrache wrote: » pixelburp wrote: » Again I ask: why do you focus on 'the Left', when Republicans and even Fox News have condemned Trumps behaviour? Is that not a clear indicator that all is not right - not this time. Do you accept that Trumps assessment of the US's intelligence agency is superior? Others have asked this RIGOLO, I think people would appreciate if you engaged in discussion rather than cherry-pick tacit putdowns towards others trying to make sense of this political contradiction. Just in case RIGOLO missed your post, as he/she often does when it comes to questions they've no answer for, I'll quote your question as I believe they've no reason not to see any of my posts.
pixelburp wrote: » Again I ask: why do you focus on 'the Left', when Republicans and even Fox News have condemned Trumps behaviour? Is that not a clear indicator that all is not right - not this time. Do you accept that Trumps assessment of the US's intelligence agency is superior? Others have asked this RIGOLO, I think people would appreciate if you engaged in discussion rather than cherry-pick tacit putdowns towards others trying to make sense of this political contradiction.
RIGOLO wrote: » look at the actions and those speak to being tough on Russia.
RIGOLO wrote: » And here is where the left gets all tangled up in its own web of inept analysis. So last week the left are moaning Trump is pushing the pace of NATO expansion and now this week the left are moaning Putin has no deterrent. Talk about going round in circles, no wonder a first time political novice came from left field and swept the WH from under their self-annointed queen. Trump has pushed NATO to increase defense spending as a whole , with over 40billion extra already spent in NATO European operations this year alone since Trump started his drive to get NATO to expand. All of which goes against Putins public statements looking for a decrease in NATO eastern european expansion. Trump wont criticise , wont take action .phooey ... $40 billion EXTRA and a US Armoured division, is plenty action . This will blow over by the time most US voters come back from vacation, a vacation Im sure they are enjoying what with the extra dollas in their 401Ks and their booming economy. Putin has put a spotlight back on Mueller to 'piss or get off the pot' , with his invite of the Mueller team to Russia to interview the indicted 12 . I expect before we see the final Mueller report their will be at least 5 more occassion for the left to call for impeachment, high treason and to bring out the stripper and her lawyer again. None of which are going to deliver them the WH in 2020 or even the mid-terms in Nov. Meanwhile the American voters continue to enjoy their booming economy.
pixelburp wrote: » In all seriousness though - what HAS happened with ISIS and Trumps' boasting that he'd sort them out? So much water has passed under the bridge, and they've only come up during the aftermaths of that spate of terrorist attacks in the EU. Has the back of their attempted caliphate been broken? Has Trump actually signed off on any executive action or policy?
RIGOLO wrote: » Russia did what Russia has been doing for 200 years, interefering in US issues. Ive a wall full of books that discuss this. Equally theres another set that discusses US interference in Russian affairs. Russia just did what it always did, started in 2015 kicking the tyres on the election see what they could come up with, had a look at the new social media platforms and found it could step it up a notch.
Christy42 wrote: » I would say chucking little kids into cages also counts as worse than that conference. Given the sheer amount of dumb **** Trump has done I feel like it is worth a little anger that he has been called on precisely none of it by his supporters and very little by congress. And yeah the conference was pretty bad. It was a message saying the US president will not do anything if Russia keeps messing with US elections (and they will). All Putin will have to do is simply assure his friend he didn't do it. Not like Trump will believe anyone else.
everlast75 wrote: » https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/us/politics/trump-russia-meeting-american-reporters-blocked.html#click=https://t.co/XCu2vN9Pbj Pics provided by the Russians btw. American press not allowed.. Recognise the lady on the far right?https://twitter.com/off_public/status/1019197600686362630?s=19
mcmoustache wrote: » It looks similar but I'll wait for confirmation first.
Rjd2 wrote: » There is many things to criticise Trump for indeed. However Yesterday the hysteria was utterly over the top, America have been meeting with less than perfect nations for a long time. A Politico article said it was the worst thing since Pearl Harbour. Its the absolute melodrama of the reaction to Yesterdays meeting which is galling. It doesn't absolve Trump of his previous sins whatsoever and never did I suggest that.
everlast75 wrote: » I've taken down the post. There appears to be uncertainty. See Trumpists? Its okay to correct a stance if there is a question over it. You should try it
molloyjh wrote: » It was massive in terms of just how stupid and badly judged it was, especially in the context of recent events at home. From that perspective it was pretty huge. I wouldn't be calling him a traitor over it if I were American. I'd just be calling him an idiot who can't be trusted to do his job even close to competently. But then, this is just the latest in a string of incidents that would have me saying that...
But Trump didn’t recognize the Russian annexation of Crimea, announce a troop pullout from Syria, promise to disband NATO, withdraw U.S. troops from Germany or stop the deployment of U.S. anti-missile defenses in Eastern Europe. He didn’t give up his opposition to Russia’s Nord Stream 2 pipeline into Germany or express regret about his decision to supply lethal weapons to Ukraine. In fact, he did nothing that could be construed as undermining U.S. interests as traditionally understood. His comments revealed no freebies to Putin or even any sign that the two leaders had attempted to negotiate compromises on the many substantive issues that divide their two countries.
Rjd2 wrote: » He's politically naive to say the least, but its the takes and mother of God they have been bad, people saying its the worst day in American political history and a war monger like John Mc Cain getting lionised who probably dreams of going back to the cold war days. I thought with all the hysteria below article was balanced and less hysteria orientatedhttps://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-07-16/helsinki-summit-putin-and-trump-couldn-t-make-relationship-work
Matt Barrett wrote: » The President of the United States said he was told there was Russian interference in the election. Putin said there wasn't and Trump sided with Putin over his own intelligence agencies based on one conversation held in private, with no notes taken. That's enormous. An American President taking the word of the Russian President over the U.S. intelligence services, despite election tampering been proven. It cannot be downplayed. It was broadcast for all to see and hear. A sitting American President taking the word of a Russian President over the U.S. intelligence agencies. Trump looked like an apologetic schoolboy embarrassed and sorry for his own agencies inferring, (it's proven) such a thing.
molloyjh wrote: » Trump said he believed Putin. That doesn't mean he did. He'll happily flip flop on this stuff all day long. He says what is convenient at that particular moment in time for him. That could change at any time. This isn't a policy position that we're talking about here. It isn't a decision on a course of action. It's a few words uttered by a man who doesn't understand the importance of those words. And doesn't care. It might reflect what he decides to do, it might not. Trump is that guy who walks into an interview for a technical job having not prepared in any way and attempts to bluff his way through it despite not having any real knowledge of the subject. Words fall from his mouth, but there's no real thought behind them. He probably barely remembers what he said minutes after he says it.
everlast75 wrote: » Sounds like an ideal President then so
Quin_Dub wrote: » All the back and forth about Trumps performance yesterday has been kinda wild.. Some of the reactions have been OOT and some pretty accurate. Trump screwed up Royally . Yesterday will be seen as a watershed moment of his tenure regardless of what happens. Fundamentally for me though his whole performance with Putin and indeed the wider Mueller investigation has less to do with his possible guilt in terms of collusion/corruption and more to do with his rampant Narcissism. He simply cannot accept in any way shape or form that his Victory in the election was due to anything other than him and only him. Any acceptance on his part that the Russians (or any body else) influenced the result is simply mentally impossible for him to process. It is for this reason that he rails against any suggestion of Russian interference. In his mind , if he was to publicly accept that the Russians tried to influence the result (regardless of whether they actually achieved anything) it would require him to accept that maybe he isn't the perfect titan that he believes he is in his head. It's not because he's beholden to Putin it's because he's beholden to his ego.
amandstu wrote: » I wonder if Putin might have said something to Trump in private that reinforced Trump's scepticism regarding his intelligence forces (and the FBI) I can imagine him doing this in a very subtle way.
everlast75 wrote: » Check out the initial post and the replies below. Our lady spy seems well in indeed with the reps and NRA....https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1018989033534382086?s=19
