RIGOLO wrote: » As a student of history these same events have played out dozens of times before,
pixelburp wrote: » That's a fair assessment actually, although it could be both cases; one shouldn't discount the pure insecurity of Trumps ego, incapable of contemplating the notion that maybe his victory wasn't purely because of his rampant, sexually charged self. Just the fact he still brings up the electoral results at the drop of a hat means he's obsessed with the election, even to this day.That said, I do think his bullish narcissism likely led him towards decisions and down paths other, cooler heads would have demurred. A history of snap, overconfident decisions that run roughshod over others shows he knows his own mind, regardless of sense or business logic.
RIGOLO wrote: » Thats easy, the Obama adminstration ignored its own intellegience reports warning of the rise of ISIS and establishment of a salafist taking advantage of the conflict in Syria. If anything the intelligence agencies got it wrong in 2012 as they identified ISIS as an aid for regime change in Syria. So yeah Obama bent over for ISIS and everyone paid the price, remember the convoys of fighters streaming across the deserts and Obama would not let his military take them out..http://www.globalresearch.ca/defense-intelligence-agency-create-a-salafist-principality-in-syria-facilitate-rise-of-islamic-state-in-order-to-isolate-the-syrian-regime/5451216 So yeah its easy to find examples of everything and anything. Just cos the left are suddenly woke to geo-politics and dirty tricks , theres actually nothing new to see here, the US intelligence has as long a history of cockups as it has of successes, and similarily the WH adminsitration are free to tow its own line even if its contrary to the Intelligence reports. no need for the anti-trumpers to roll out the 'whatboutery comments and use of Obama ' ... someone asked for an example of a prior administration, hence the Obama response. As a student of history these same events have played out dozens of times before, even the level of mass hysteria and tin hat theories on the left is probably not a first. The fact the left is still behaving like that , I dont see it as a sign of progress. Its a regressive response, thankfully the hysteria is only manifesting and infecting the left and the right will move on with the momentum already in flow.
Quin_Dub wrote: » All the back and forth about Trumps performance yesterday has been kinda wild.. Some of the reactions have been OOT and some pretty accurate. Trump screwed up Royally . Yesterday will be seen as a watershed moment of his tenure regardless of what happens. Fundamentally for me though his whole performance with Putin and indeed the wider Mueller investigation has less to do with his possible guilt in terms of collusion/corruption and more to do with his rampant Narcissism. He simply cannot accept in any way shape or form that his Victory in the election was due to anything other than him and only him. Any acceptance on his part that the Russians (or any body else) influenced the result is simply mentally impossible for him to process. It is for this reason that he rails against any suggestion of Russian interference. In his mind , if he was to publicly accept that the Russians tried to influence the result (regardless of whether they actually achieved anything) it would require him to accept that maybe he isn't the perfect titan that he believes he is in his head. It's not because he's beholden to Putin it's because he's beholden to his ego.
Gbear wrote: » Can you name another example of anything like this in US Presidential history - that they would not just kowtow to a hostile power, but do it explicitly at the expense of their own intelligence services?
Captain Obvious wrote: » It's hard to put much weight in photos like that. You can pretty much get a picture with anyone if you attend an event with them.
everlast75 wrote: » Check out the initial post and the replies below. Our lady spy seems well in indeed with the reps and NRA....https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1018989033534382086?s=19
amandstu wrote: » I wonder if Putin might have said something to Trump in private that reinforced Trump's scepticism regarding his intelligence forces (and the FBI) I can imagine him doing this in a very subtle way.
everlast75 wrote: » Sounds like an ideal President then so
molloyjh wrote: » Trump said he believed Putin. That doesn't mean he did. He'll happily flip flop on this stuff all day long. He says what is convenient at that particular moment in time for him. That could change at any time. This isn't a policy position that we're talking about here. It isn't a decision on a course of action. It's a few words uttered by a man who doesn't understand the importance of those words. And doesn't care. It might reflect what he decides to do, it might not. Trump is that guy who walks into an interview for a technical job having not prepared in any way and attempts to bluff his way through it despite not having any real knowledge of the subject. Words fall from his mouth, but there's no real thought behind them. He probably barely remembers what he said minutes after he says it.
Matt Barrett wrote: » The President of the United States said he was told there was Russian interference in the election. Putin said there wasn't and Trump sided with Putin over his own intelligence agencies based on one conversation held in private, with no notes taken. That's enormous. An American President taking the word of the Russian President over the U.S. intelligence services, despite election tampering been proven. It cannot be downplayed. It was broadcast for all to see and hear. A sitting American President taking the word of a Russian President over the U.S. intelligence agencies. Trump looked like an apologetic schoolboy embarrassed and sorry for his own agencies inferring, (it's proven) such a thing.
Rjd2 wrote: » There is many things to criticise Trump for indeed. However Yesterday the hysteria was utterly over the top, America have been meeting with less than perfect nations for a long time. A Politico article said it was the worst thing since Pearl Harbour. Its the absolute melodrama of the reaction to Yesterdays meeting which is galling. It doesn't absolve Trump of his previous sins whatsoever and never did I suggest that.
Rjd2 wrote: » He's politically naive to say the least, but its the takes and mother of God they have been bad, people saying its the worst day in American political history and a war monger like John Mc Cain getting lionised who probably dreams of going back to the cold war days. I thought with all the hysteria below article was balanced and less hysteria orientatedhttps://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-07-16/helsinki-summit-putin-and-trump-couldn-t-make-relationship-work
molloyjh wrote: » It was massive in terms of just how stupid and badly judged it was, especially in the context of recent events at home. From that perspective it was pretty huge. I wouldn't be calling him a traitor over it if I were American. I'd just be calling him an idiot who can't be trusted to do his job even close to competently. But then, this is just the latest in a string of incidents that would have me saying that...
But Trump didn’t recognize the Russian annexation of Crimea, announce a troop pullout from Syria, promise to disband NATO, withdraw U.S. troops from Germany or stop the deployment of U.S. anti-missile defenses in Eastern Europe. He didn’t give up his opposition to Russia’s Nord Stream 2 pipeline into Germany or express regret about his decision to supply lethal weapons to Ukraine. In fact, he did nothing that could be construed as undermining U.S. interests as traditionally understood. His comments revealed no freebies to Putin or even any sign that the two leaders had attempted to negotiate compromises on the many substantive issues that divide their two countries.
everlast75 wrote: » I've taken down the post. There appears to be uncertainty. See Trumpists? Its okay to correct a stance if there is a question over it. You should try it
mcmoustache wrote: » It looks similar but I'll wait for confirmation first.
everlast75 wrote: » https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/us/politics/trump-russia-meeting-american-reporters-blocked.html#click=https://t.co/XCu2vN9Pbj Pics provided by the Russians btw. American press not allowed.. Recognise the lady on the far right?https://twitter.com/off_public/status/1019197600686362630?s=19
Christy42 wrote: » I would say chucking little kids into cages also counts as worse than that conference. Given the sheer amount of dumb **** Trump has done I feel like it is worth a little anger that he has been called on precisely none of it by his supporters and very little by congress. And yeah the conference was pretty bad. It was a message saying the US president will not do anything if Russia keeps messing with US elections (and they will). All Putin will have to do is simply assure his friend he didn't do it. Not like Trump will believe anyone else.
RIGOLO wrote: » And here is where the left gets all tangled up in its own web of inept analysis. So last week the left are moaning Trump is pushing the pace of NATO expansion and now this week the left are moaning Putin has no deterrent. Talk about going round in circles, no wonder a first time political novice came from left field and swept the WH from under their self-annointed queen. Trump has pushed NATO to increase defense spending as a whole , with over 40billion extra already spent in NATO European operations this year alone since Trump started his drive to get NATO to expand. All of which goes against Putins public statements looking for a decrease in NATO eastern european expansion. Trump wont criticise , wont take action .phooey ... $40 billion EXTRA and a US Armoured division, is plenty action . This will blow over by the time most US voters come back from vacation, a vacation Im sure they are enjoying what with the extra dollas in their 401Ks and their booming economy. Putin has put a spotlight back on Mueller to 'piss or get off the pot' , with his invite of the Mueller team to Russia to interview the indicted 12 . I expect before we see the final Mueller report their will be at least 5 more occassion for the left to call for impeachment, high treason and to bring out the stripper and her lawyer again. None of which are going to deliver them the WH in 2020 or even the mid-terms in Nov. Meanwhile the American voters continue to enjoy their booming economy.
RIGOLO wrote: » Russia did what Russia has been doing for 200 years, interefering in US issues. Ive a wall full of books that discuss this. Equally theres another set that discusses US interference in Russian affairs. Russia just did what it always did, started in 2015 kicking the tyres on the election see what they could come up with, had a look at the new social media platforms and found it could step it up a notch.
