pixelburp wrote: » well if you have to separate children, keeping records might be a start: but given it was revealed that much of the documentation linking the children with their accompanying adults was either lost or destroyed, it doesn't speak to a policy that even cares about notions towards compassion. It's all well and good standing on a soapbox about illegality and the horrors of migration, but the reality is to talk about upwards of 3000 children with little to no paperwork, and 100 under 5s. You can waffle all you want about terrorists, or welfare sponges or whatever it is you think is so awful, but discarding children in cages, with no paperwork,... well I'm not sure I'd call it evil - but it is lazily callous. Incompetence that has been a hallmark of this administration - and demonstrable in its inability to organise a p*ssup ina brewery
everlast75 wrote: » Millennial tears? Lol. Aren't you the hard man? I'd bet your the same as Trump. All mouth and no trousers.
everlast75 wrote: » You seem to confuse compassion for weakness. I'd bet I'm older (and apparently a lot wiser) than you too. That said, i sincerely hope for your sake, that the fate of your family is never placed in the hands of someone who has the same ethical disfunction that you seem to have.
Leroy42 wrote: » Sorry, how did we end up talking about immigration policy when Trump has already admitted that he was wrong and completely caved in on his 'policy'. Trump admits that what he tried to do was wrong and he has tried, lazily and without much effort, to right the wrong. Back to yesterday. Has anybody got an answer as to which of the options we should pick for what Trump said yesterday about Dan Coats? Was he lying, misstated his position of he actually gives the same level of credence to Putin as to his own security services>
pixelburp wrote: » We're all in agreement about one thing though, right: that Putin absolutely recorded the private meeting between himself and Trump? Maybe it was just Trump getting tips on how to man-up and own his little autocracy in progress; maybe it was just a chat about golf courses, but the whole debacle is as usual, exhausting And it's not even the first time Trump allowed himself to have unsupervised, unrecorded meetings with Russians. Correct me on the details, but didn't the Russian ambassador + camera crew get access to the Oval Office without clearance early on in the Presidency?
prawnsambo wrote: » So many factual errors here, it's hard to know where to start. It is entirely legal to enter another country, ANYwhere. It is NOT a crime. You may not be permitted to stay, but there's a procedure to work that out. And finally, where are all the court hearings for all these family fakers? I presume you're a legislator based on all these laws that you just made up. :rolleyes: Open borders is not the actual other choice here. Does that actually mean something? Am I supposed to suspend my critical faculties on the basis of someone else's lack of them?
ELM327 wrote: » I did not suggest that putting children in cages was correct. This isn't a willy waving "I'm harder than you" competition, I don't see the reason for this comment. Like all pig headed stubborn men, Trump listens to no one but himself, and the only one to over rule him is his wife. Apparently a lot wiser by your judgment, which of course is not worth the cost of the Liberal Daily News or whatever paper you read, to me. The attempts by the left to "take the high moral ground" is hilarious if only for its repetition.
ELM327 wrote: » Like all pig headed stubborn men, Trump listens to no one but himself, and the only one to over rule him is his wife.
ELM327 wrote: » He never admitted he was wrong, only that the caging was wrong and a result of the laws implemented and maintained by the previous administration.
ELM327 wrote: » I'm sure that Trump either a) genuinely believes Putin, or b) Putin has something on Trump and forced Trump to publicly support him
7. U.S. Person 1 is a United States citizen and an American political operative. BUTINA established contact with U.S. Person 1 in Moscow in or around 2013. U.S. Person 1 worked with BUTINA to jointly arrange introductions to U.S. persons having influence in American politics, including an organization promoting gun rights (hereinafter "GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION"), for the purpose of advancing the agenda of the Russian Federation.
In November 2013, the president of the National Rifle Association, David Keene, was introduced as an honored guest at the conference of the Right to Bear Arms, a gun lobby in Moscow.
BUTINA suggested a phone call to discuss, and the RUSSIAN OFFICIAL noted that he liked the idea, but was worried that "all our phones are being listened to!" BUTINA suggested they talk via WhatsApp. On November 11, 2016, BUTINA sent the RUSSIAN OFFICIAL a direct message via Twitter, in which she predicted who might be named Secretary of State and asked the RUSSIAN OFFICIAL to find out how "our people" felt about that potential nomination.
Former British spy Christopher Steele, the author of the influential dossier detailing President Donald Trump's connections to Russia, reportedly wrote a memo in 2016 that contained a bombshell claim that wasn't included in his original dossier — that Russia had told Trump not to nominate former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney for secretary of state because of his perceived hawkishness toward Russia. The New Yorker detailed how Steele reportedly claimed that Moscow had contacted Trump and instructed him to drop Romney and instead nominate someone who would be willing to lift sanctions placed on Russia due to its incursions into Ukraine in 2014, and would be open to working with Russia on its own geopolitical goals in places like Syria.
ELM327 wrote: » Factually they cannot, this is not After Hours, and this is not Soccer, so please stick to the issues at hand thanks. Now, after all your warbling, have you a point?
ELM327 wrote: » As for what it's done wrong in Europe:https://www.dw.com/en/german-study-links-increased-crime-rate-to-migrant-arrivals/a-42006484
ELM327 wrote: » Disregarding the last insulting line of your post. (Moral superiority claimed by the left again.)
ELM327 wrote: » It is not legal to enter another country without appropriate clearance. Either you have a travel entitlement, naturalised or citizenship granted residency, or you claim (and are entitled to claim) asylum.
ELM327 wrote: » If none of those criteria are met you have not entered the country legally and can and should be deported.
ELM327 wrote: » Open borders, as I alluded to earlier when you asked what was wrong with the merkel open borders policy in Europe ( reminder: https://www.dw.com/en/german-study-links-increased-crime-rate-to-migrant-arrivals/a-42006484), is the other end of the spectrum of options.
ELM327 wrote: » What we need is a closed border. Where no one passes but those who meet and are approved for one of the criteria above.
Leroy42 wrote: » First off, on what basis could he genuinely believe Putin? Simply because Putin said it? So we have a POTUS that makes decision based on no facts or evidence but simply on who he believes? And you think we should be ok with that. or, that POTUS is compromised by the Russian President and is willing to lie in public im order not to annoy him. Imagine what he is handing over in private? Trump is a national security threat under your own position.
Water John wrote: » With Butina we can now also begin to see in public view the links between the NRA, GOP and Russia.
dr.fuzzenstein wrote: » The VERY fact that some Trump suporters will defend to the absolute hilt that Trump seems to put more trust in Putin than his OWN bloody advisors tells you all you need to know about them. I find it fascinating how one can blindly defend such obvious borderline treasonous behavior in the face of blinding evidence. Why are some Trump supporters so blind that they are willing to simply ignore this masive issue? One could understand such towering ignorance and stupidity in the 1930's or North Korea, when the only source of information is the official state propaganda, but in today's world where all the info is but a mouseklick away, it is unforgivable. And also it points toward a fanatical that has an agenda. And of course Trump rowing back on separating children from their families. His presidency has been an orgy of ignorance and xenophobia. Of course that is precisely why some people voted for him.
relax carry on wrote: » Read some of the Twitter responses from yesterday from his supporters. It's all a deep state conspiracy I tells ya! USA, USA USA! It's enough to make me believe there is something to certain conspiracy theories about chemicals in the water. How else can you explain the reaction/responses from some of those people. Something has got to be interfering with their cognitive abilities.
weisses wrote: » But Hillary .......... servers......... witch hunt ....... No collusion .... Vlad denying it.... Deep state ....
RIGOLO wrote: » The hysteria is epic on the left. I sense desperation.
RIGOLO wrote: » The hysteria is epic on the left. I sense desperation. Treason, impeachment, not to mention strippers and their lawyers, and more gates than a Dairygold co-op. Most yanks are in vacation mode, this news will blow over. Russian spys, do a russian spy thing , that American intellegience warned in 2015 Russia spys would do, and all with 12 people and 200K in FB ads and it defeated the might of Langley, Pentagon and the NSA. Most of the issues with the intelligence agency has been self imposed, Brennan, Clapper, Comey all inflicted more damage than a few Trump comments. It was a summit folks, no need for Trump to come out all guns blazing on Putin considering he had made the trip to Finland. Russia is in flux, it has plenty domestic issues, and if Trump were to undermine Putin publicly it would do no end to add to the instability in Russia. It may work it may not work, but the hysteria on the left is just embarassing the left. No one should be hoping for added instability in Russia. Heck Kennedy had a direct phone line to the Kremlin in his office, does that mean he was compromised or a traitor. 8 years of deteriorating Russia-US relations under Obama and HRC Secretary of State, the Russian state welcomed a change of regime. Besides Putin didnt get any of the things he wanted from the summit, recognition for Crimea annexation, relaxing sanctions, reduced NATO expansion, none of these were given to Putin. Theres no evidence to indicate Trump administration is acting under 'Kompromat' The ridiculous hysteria and OTT headlines around treason are just feeding the GOP machine for November, the more the left vocalises its contempt , its flying baby blimps, and its sensationalism, the more it will encourage the right and moderates to come out in Nov for the GOP.
Christy42 wrote: » Do you have evidence Kennedy believed the Kremlin over his own intelligence services? On nothing more than the word of the Russians?
RIGOLO wrote: » Kennedy hadnt been under investigation by his own intellegince agencys. Actually historians of that period do confer that the US intellegience agency overplayed, and overstated Russian capabilities, most of this was driven by a US mititary establishment who wanted Russian capabilities over-egged so they could increase spending. Effectively each level of reporting would add 10% to the report they recieved before passing on to their superior, so by the time it reached POTUS you had a completely over-stated represenation (WMDs remember them) So yeah US Intelleigeince agency have a pretty consistent record of getting it wrong, many times over many decades. So in this instance they are right about Russian invovlment, but dont take it all de-facto and verbatim. The only ones doing that are hysterical left anti-Trumpers, and anyone who understands the long running long view history behind this stuff knows its far more nuanced.
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