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Henry Cavill forced to apologize for #metoo comments

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I don’t know if this has been talked about already here but I’ve only just. come across it and am interested in my fellow boardsies think.

Actor Henry Cavill has been forced to apologize for comments related to the MeToo movement. I’m writing this on my phone so can’t link anything just now bit basically he said he’s afraid to approach women for fear of being accused of something he didn’t do which didn’t go down well with feminazi brigade and metooers.

Personally I think he’s got a point and I don’t like the way the metoo movement is determined to deny men their voices and twist everything they say.

I think he has perfectly legitimate concerns and he’s likely not the only one. Metoo was a good thing in the beginning but now it’s a witch hunt and I can understand completely the fears men have as a result.

Afterhours thoughts?

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Calhoun

LLMMLL wrote: »

Actually it was martingriff who brought it up.

Again I have to point out that the vast majority of metoo posts do not name anyone and hence do not ruin any reputations. It’s telling that you keep ignoring this.

Yes HC has to be careful not to harass women. How awful.

Its telling that you keep ignoring that for all the good it supposedly does it can and has been used for abuse.

Also to be fair to HC the way the likes of rape and stuff is being defined i would also be careful.

LLMMLL

Calhoun wrote: »

Its telling that you keep ignoring that for all the good it supposedly does it can and has been used for abuse.

Also to be fair to HC the way the likes of rape and stuff is being defined i would also be careful.

The good far outweighs any abuses I’ve seen.

You would also be careful? Your behaviour towards women has the potential to be classified as rape? I’m a little worried about you now.

Calhoun

LLMMLL wrote: »

The good far outweighs any abuses I’ve seen.

You would also be careful? Your behaviour towards women has the potential to be classified as rape? I’m a little worried about you now.

Of course you wouldn't doesn't fit with your hierarchy of victimhood mentality.

Sorry re-read what you said on the rape thing, what i meant was that there are certain folks online trying to reclassify what rape is, was a big thread on board a couple of months back about it. Essentially not really feeling like sex but going along with it anyway without saying no can also possibly be defined as rape.

I would be fairly careful about who i engage with, as a one night stand as a celebrity could turn into a nightmare as with the current metoo movement there is allot of leverage to blackmail.

LLMMLL

Calhoun wrote: »

Of course you wouldn't doesn't fit with your hierarchy of victimhood mentality.

Sorry re-read what you said on the rape thing, what i meant was that there are certain folks online trying to reclassify what rape is, was a big thread on board a couple of months back about it. Essentially not really feeling like sex but going along with it anyway without saying no can also possibly be defined as rape.

I would be fairly careful about who i engage with, as a one night stand as a celebrity could turn into a nightmare as with the current metoo movement there is allot of leverage to blackmail.

So because certain people online supposedly are trying to redefine rape in the way you suggest they are HC should be careful?

Firstly, have they been successful at redefining rape? Is there any jurisdiction in the world that defines it in the way you’ve suggested certain People online are attempting to redefine it?

If not then what does he have to be careful of?

And HC talked about flirting and pursuing. Not actual sex. Are these online people trying to redefine rape as something that can happen through flirting?

Again if not what does he have to be careful of?

Calhoun

LLMMLL wrote: »

So because certain people online supposedly are trying to redefine rape in the way you suggest they are HC should be careful?

Firstly, have they been successful at redefining rape? Is there any jurisdiction in the world that defines it in the way you’ve suggested certain People online are attempting to redefine it?

If not then what does he have to be careful of?

And HC talked about flirting and pursuing. Not actual sex. Are these online people trying to redefine rape as something that can happen through flirting?

Again if not what does he have to be careful of?

Well its generally feminists and left leaning folk who are trying to refine the whole interaction between male and female. I would be very careful if i was in a public position in the current environment when one persons word against another can destroy career.

Look at the UK system which in recent times has come under some very serious problems because of how we are changing the approach to how rape is defined. In the case of the UK the crown prosecution has just had allot of cases thrown out because it had hid evidence exonerating the accused. I suppose in this case they didnt change the law but you don't have to change the law as seen in the UK to still go after innocent people.

I never said people were trying to redefine flirting as anything more but if he is in public image then he has to be careful as one accusation could sink his career no matter how true or not. He unfortunately is straight and can't hide behind victimization.

LLMMLL

Calhoun wrote: »

Well its generally feminists and left leaning folk who are trying to refine the whole interaction between male and female. I would be very careful if i was in a public position in the current environment when one persons word against another can destroy career.

Look at the UK system which in recent times has come under some very serious problems because of how we are changing the approach to how rape is defined. In the case of the UK the crown prosecution has just had allot of cases thrown out because it had hid evidence exonerating the accused. I suppose in this case they didnt change the law but you don't have to change the law as seen in the UK to still go after innocent people.

I never said people were trying to redefine flirting as anything more but if he is in public image then he has to be careful as one accusation could sink his career no matter how true or not. He unfortunately is straight and can't hide behind victimization.

As long as he behaves appropriately he’ll be fine.

Calhoun

LLMMLL wrote: »

As long as he behaves appropriately he’ll be fine.

Maybe maybe not but as has already been said the current culture is open to abuse. So i can see exactly what he is saying, as for as many victims are out there you can come across people who would profit from the situation.

Anyway its late, before i go i will say i do see your point on the benefits of the metoo movement. I always have, i just feel that it can be open to abuse. I have a feeling folks in Hollywood and around the world for the next while will have to be allot more Christian/Puritan lest they find themselves in a spot of bother.

[Deleted User]

LLMMLL wrote: »

As long as he behaves appropriately he’ll be fine.

Who determines what is appropriate? The woman he is flirting/dating with. Her own perception of the events will decide that. And you have already suggested that we should believe the woman in her claims.

So behaving appropriately isn't really much of a defense if a woman becomes offended <for whatever reason>, or decides she would like the publicity of taking down someone popular.

Calhoun wrote:

How do you genuinely do it?

LLMMLL wrote:

Maybe don’t do it in a thread about women’s experiences as a means to criticise women? That’s be a good start.

Could you actually answer this one, rather than deflecting it? I was genuinely interested in what your answer would have been.... because I have no idea how a metoo campaign for men would actually be approved/accepted.

The Bishop Basher

LLMMLL wrote: »

As long as he behaves appropriately he’ll be fine.

I see 2 problems with that statement..

1) It's not true
2) What constitutes behaving appropriately ?

There are crazies out there who think looking at a woman for more then 5 seconds is a form of assault.

We also need to bear in mind that all it takes to ruin a mans career is an accusation. Whether something happened or not is irrelevant.

George Hook is a great example of how these self righteous head cases are ruining careers here..

They're relentless in not only taking down men replacing them with women for the sake of it which seems counter intuitive to equality..

http://time.com/5053867/sexual-misconduct-men-women-replacements/

Aziz Ansari was another great example of how some attention seeking headcase with an axe to grind can destroy a career with one post..

https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355

[Deleted User]

LLMMLL wrote: »

You would also be careful? Your behaviour towards women has the potential to be classified as rape? I’m a little worried about you now.

A part from that being a bit of a scummy comment from you (the last bit) the poster has a point. It seems some sections almost want a written consent form. The amount of times I've gone home with a girl or vice versa and we've done the no pants dance without either of us explicitly verbalising consent outweighs times when it has been said aloud. This, in some warped minds, equates to no consent and therefore rape.

seamus

Omackeral wrote: »

A part from that being a bit of a scummy comment from you (the last bit) the poster has a point. It seems some sections almost want a written consent form. The amount of times I've gone home with a girl or vice versa and we've done the no pants dance without either of us explicitly verbalising consent outweighs times when it has been said aloud. This, in some warped minds, equates to no consent and therefore rape.

The implication from some quarters, and from Henry Cavill's statement is that there are loads of women out there for whom a good night out consists of a bit of a drinking, a bit of dancing, a bit of flirting, and who knows, if you get to throw in some sexual assault allegations against someone, that's the icing on the cake.

It's basically the whole "women are evil temptresses trying to distract men from the path of light" nonsense dressed up in modern clothes.

The easy answer is that if you're unsure of how to interact with the opposite sex without finding yourself being accused of assault, then maybe you...shouldn't?

The Bishop Basher

seamus wrote: »

The easy answer is that if you're unsure of how to interact with the opposite sex without finding yourself being accused of assault, then maybe you...shouldn't?

That used to be true..

The rules of engagement have changed..

For your own sake, i'd suggest you catch up..

They eat the likes of you for breakfast..

[Deleted User]

seamus wrote: »

The easy answer is that if you're unsure of how to interact with the opposite sex without finding yourself being accused of assault, then maybe you...shouldn't?

Listen, the vast vast majority of people are decent. 98% of men and 98% of women are probably good folks. The fact that stuff like blows up is because a minute amount of headtheballs have access to such public forums and have imbeciles (not necessarily bad people) following them on the likes of Twitter and FB in their droves. Things are automatically believed and exaggerated and it spirals out of control in a trial by social media.

To me and you, that's probably not much of an issue as nobody probably really cares about what we get up to but for a celebrity, you're open to it. That's what I took from it anyway.

On the other hand maybe you're right. Maybe just steer absolutely clear and then you can't get accused. Well, it'd be tougher anyway.

professore

seamus wrote: »

The implication from some quarters, and from Henry Cavill's statement is that there are loads of women out there for whom a good night out consists of a bit of a drinking, a bit of dancing, a bit of flirting, and who knows, if you get to throw in some sexual assault allegations against someone, that's the icing on the cake.

Definitely true for celebrities. And you forgot selling your story to the Huffington Post for $100k.

seamus

Omackeral wrote: »

To me and you, that's probably not much of an issue as nobody probably really cares about what we get up to but for a celebrity, you're open to it. That's what I took from it anyway.

I agree entirely on certain corners of the web getting all hot and bothered about these things, and the tiny proportion of people who will do or say anything for a bit of attention.

But that's of no real consequence. Have we seen any celebrities find themselves in any real trouble; legally, personally or professionally; after a trial by social media? I don't think so.

All of the people exposed and destroyed by the #metoo movement have been actual dirtbags. They've done actual scummy things. I've yet to see any evidence of even this 2% causing any real ructions. Versus the incredible spotlight it has shone on the reality of unacceptable behaviours in multiple spheres, it's a worthwhile thing.

If Cavill and other people feel like they need to double-check their behaviour, or have a think about whether they're about to do something appropriate, is that actually a bad thing? Shouldn't we conduct all interactions with other people, cognisant of the context of that interaction and the appropriateness of what is said?

DONTMATTER

It's amazing how people here can paint themselves as decent people fighting against some crazy nutjobs. Let's look at the facts. The metoo campaign has been a campaign against rapists and sleazebags, people here are against the metoo campaign. The metoo campaign was one where women got a chance to tell their stories, people here tell these women that they doubt their stories.
You may not realise it or fooled yourself into thinking different but you're on the same side as the rapists and scumbags. Instead of supporting women and trying to change things for the better, you have attacked them, questioned their stories and supported those who've being involved in questionable behaviour.

Lux23

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

Nope there's absolutely no bollocks involved.fannys only.

Terry Crews has plenty of bollocks.

py2006

We...are....on....the....same....side....as.....rapists.....and....scumbags!

She found us out guys!

No need for further discussion

givyjoe

DONTMATTER wrote: »

It's amazing how people here can paint themselves as decent people fighting against some crazy nutjobs. Let's look at the facts. The metoo campaign has been a campaign against rapists and sleazebags, people here are against the metoo campaign. The metoo campaign was one where women got a chance to tell their stories, people here tell these women that they doubt their stories.
You may not realise it or fooled yourself into thinking different but you're on the same side as the rapists and scumbags. Instead of supporting women and trying to change things for the better, you have attacked them, questioned their stories and supported those who've being involved in questionable behaviour.

Yes, that's EXACTLY what's happened here. You definitely haven't made that part up/completed distorted what was being said. :rolleyes:

I thought you'd legged it from here anyway?

professore

DONTMATTER wrote: »

It's amazing how people here can paint themselves as decent people fighting against some crazy nutjobs. Let's look at the facts. The metoo campaign has been a campaign against rapists and sleazebags, people here are against the metoo campaign. The metoo campaign was one where women got a chance to tell their stories, people here tell these women that they doubt their stories.
You may not realise it or fooled yourself into thinking different but you're on the same side as the rapists and scumbags. Instead of supporting women and trying to change things for the better, you have attacked them, questioned their stories and supported those who've being involved in questionable behaviour.

I don't see this at all. I see people against MeToo being used as yet another tool to bash all men and as a means of control and power by feminists.

Mokuba

Think it's the 4th time now DontMatter has left only to come back in a blaze of trolling glory.

py2006

Mokuba wrote: »

Think it's the 4th time now DontMatter has left only to come back in a blaze of trolling glory.

That should be a song title or a movie title

...or a name change for certain posters

The Bishop Basher

DONTMATTER wrote: »

You may not realise it or fooled yourself into thinking different but you're on the same side as the rapists and scumbags.

Comments like that turn people away from your cause in their droves..

DONTMATTER

py2006 wrote: »

We...are....on....the....same....side....as.....rapists.....and....scumbags!

She found us out guys!

No need for further discussion

Yes and you don't realise it!

DONTMATTER

givyjoe wrote: »

Yes, that's EXACTLY what's happened here. You definitely haven't made that part up/completed distorted what was being said. :rolleyes:

I thought you'd legged it from here anyway?

People here have questioned women's stories, they're believing some random scumbags instead.

You wish I legged it!

DONTMATTER

professore wrote: »

I don't see this at all. I see people against MeToo being used as yet another tool to bash all men and as a means of control and power by feminists.

It's bashing rapists and other scumbags. How can you associate that with bashing men? Unless you think all men are rapists and scumbags?

DONTMATTER

Mokuba wrote: »

Think it's the 4th time now DontMatter has left only to come back in a blaze of trolling glory.

I think this is the problem right here! The men here want to control everything, women standing up for themselves doesn't sit well with them.

DONTMATTER

Rennaws wrote: »

Comments like that turn people away from your cause in their droves..

Actually, men questioning women who have been raped and assaulted and calling them liars turns everyone off the men's rights cause, as that is basically their only cause!

py2006

DONTMATTER wrote: »

I think this is the problem right here! The men here want to control everything, women standing up for themselves doesn't sit well with them.

That's EXACTLY right! You are amazing!

seamus

Rennaws wrote: »

Comments like that turn people away from your cause in their droves..

That's interesting though, how much you see this as someone else's cause - as a cause which is adversarial to you. Which in part actually validates DONTMATTER's post.

That is, it shouldn't be "your cause". It should be everyone's cause. To say that it's someone else's cause/problem/crusade, is to suggest that you don't believe that it has any validity.

Either that, or you're indifferent about it altogether, but the number of posts you have on the topic says that's not the case.