relax carry on wrote: » Is this a sign that Trump might be in some sort of trouble finally? Paul Ryan: 'Russia is not our ally' House speaker Paul Ryan, a Republican, said in a statement that the US must be “focused on holding Russia accountable". Ryan said: There is no question that Russia interfered in our election and continues attempts to undermine democracy here and around the world. That is not just the finding of the American intelligence community but also the House Committee on Intelligence. The president must appreciate that Russia is not our ally. There is no moral equivalence between the United States and Russia, which remains hostile to our most basic values and ideals. The United States must be focused on holding Russia accountable and putting an end to its vile attacks on democracy.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/jul/16/trump-putin-summit-helsinki-russia-live
RIGOLO wrote: » Im off to read some books, one is about the Russian-American Trading Company , formed in 1799 , near 220 years , it discusses the impact of this on the US.. imagine Russian involvement in US affairs ... 220 years ago.. whod have thunk it.. I thought the Russia-US meddling in each others affairs only started in 2015, and it never happened before. :angel:
Leroy42 wrote: » Not even close. That is a statement to try to paint the GOP as worried about Russia, and follows the exact same path as every other statement from the GOP and the likes of Ryan since Trump became POTUS. A version of "we love America, American values, American workers etc. But what does it actually say about what Trump did today? Trump today said, in front of the whole world, that he believed Putin over his own intelligence agencies. And that is what he said in public. We have no idea what he actually said in private but you can bet it was far worse than that. He also did nothing about Crimea, Syria, the recent murders in the UK, which May said he agreed to discuss. If that is the best that Ryan can muster after that then you might as well forget about the GOP having any involvement in protecting the US
RIGOLO wrote: » Neither did the Democrat party in 2015-2016, or at least they didnt know how to use it to win an election. Couple of good docs from AlJazeera on how the Trump Campaign squeezed every vote and every dollar out of their digital campaign and their social media manipulation. Facebook admit they offered both campaigns the same level of support. The Trump Campaign are quite open about taking up this offer and asking FACEBOOK for every tweak, knob, button, hidden option they could use to target voters. By all accounts the HRC campaign did not take FB up on the offer to the same degree. And with a spend of close on 90million you can assume the Trump Campaign had a whole lot of help from FB, dedicated FB employees to assist them. One can safely assume twitter and google and the other platforms were equally involved. Although the TRump administration spent the bulk of thier money on FB This is two part, scroll down on the link for part 1.A two-part investigation into the threats to democracy posed by fake news and propaganda on social media One aspect which shows how clever the Trump campaign was is how even thought both campaigns spent similar amounts of money , the Trump campaign spent their dollars wiser, they targeted the swing states (Michigan,Pen, Wisconsin) whist hilary targetted the more expensive East coast and west coast media markets . Consequently for every dollar spent Trump campaign could target more voters than Hilary as FB had different rates for different states. Aljazeera .. good news stations , has its bias as all do but not to the same extent os the MSM, it reminds me of news reporting before it became a toxic cesspool... They have another good doc too on Russian Trolls etc.. worth a watch ...Facebook, Russian trolls and the new era of information warfareI think people are asking the wrong question.. they should be asking Why/when did we hand over the democratic process (as well as many other aspects of society) to social media internet giants in Silicon valley ? Id recommend watching both videos in full, apologies if they have been posted before and discussed. Im off to read some books, one is about the Russian-American Trading Company , formed in 1799 , near 220 years , it discusses the impact of this on the US.. imagine Russian involvement in US affairs ... 220 years ago.. whod have thunk it.. I thought the Russia-US meddling in each others affairs only started in 2015, and it never happened before. :angel:
Matt Barrett wrote: » Sad day for the United States. To see capitalism blatantly supersede democracy like that. Trump turning against the U.S. security services, allies and siding with a dictator for personal gain. Disgraceful. I can't imagine what the military might be thinking right now, never mind the public.
U.S. Person 1 is a United States citizen and an American political operative. BUTINA established contact with U.S. Person 1 in Moscow in or around 2013. U.S. Person 1 worked with BUTINA to jointly arrange introductions to U.S. persons having influence in American politics, including an organization promoting gun rights (hereinafter "GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION"), for the purpose of advancing the agenda of the Russian Federation.
On October 4, 2016, U.S. Person 1 sent an email to an acquaintance. The email covered a number of topics. Within the email, U.S. Person 1 stated, "Unrelated to specific presidential campaigns, I've been involved in secruing a VERY private line of communication between the Kremlin and key POLITICAL PARTY 1 leaders through, of all conduits, the [GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION]."
BUTINA: By your recommendation, I am setting up the groundwork here but I am really in need of mentoring. Or the energy might to towards the wrong direction. Yesterday's dinner showed that American society is broken in relation to Russia. This is now the dividing line of opinions, the crucial one in the election race. [POLITICAL PARTY 1] are for us, [another major U.S. political party] - against - 50/50. Our move here is very important.
BabyCheeses wrote: » It is very telling when even you aren't trying to tell us about the great meeting going on today.
PropJoe10 wrote: » Its a very dangerous situation. What Trump did today should be seen as treasonous, but watch the Repugnants once again turn a blind eye to it. The USA is heading down a very dangerous path at the moment.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » The way it is going, don the con might have a unforeseen heart attack in the middle of the night if he’s not careful.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » I presume the trump translator will be debriefed by national security to find out exactly what was said between him and putin. Indeed, Possibly the conversation was recorded surreptitiously without don the con’s knowledge.
Thargor wrote: » Wow he's openly being accused of treason across the US media now, this is blowing up... That press conference went beyond the "Oh he's an alpha male, he likes other strong leaders" rhetoric, that was a bizarre display of boot-licking, Putin has to have something on him, I wonder if we'll ever get the full story...
Beechwoodspark wrote: » Did anyone notice when Trump was praising Russia for the World Cup, really ott stuff trying to ingratiate himself, Putin barely even acknowledged it. He definitely has Trump where he wants him. I’m convinced Trump is compromised.
mcmoustache wrote: » Ask yourself, how would a compromised President behave in regards to Russia's geopolitical interests and it's leader?
Captain Obvious wrote: » I'm not entirely convinced he is compromised. i think it's very possible he simply thinks he is smarter than everyone.
