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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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whisky_galore

zetalambda wrote: »

Exactly. Once planning is granted for this proposal and the Ford site next to PUC, it pretty much guarantees the viability of an east-west transport corridor using the old railway line.

Not without a fight and objections from walkers and cyclists.

TheChizler

whisky_galore wrote: »

Not without a fight and objections from walkers and cyclists.

Or at least a genuine look to see does an alternative route exist.

mire

zetalambda wrote: »

Exactly. Once planning is granted for this proposal and the Ford site next to PUC, it pretty much guarantees the viability of an east-west transport corridor using the old railway line.

No it does not. Cork will need a lot more densification than two projects to make a fixed public transport corridor viable

whisky_galore

mire wrote: »

No it does not. Cork will need a lot more densification than two projects to make a fixed public transport corridor viable

Chicken and egg.

zetalambda

mire wrote: »

No it does not. Cork will need a lot more densification than two projects to make a fixed public transport corridor viable

You're right. It doesn't guarantee it's viability but a couple of large-scale developments adjacent to the planned east-wast transport corridor will create a tipping point at which time, actual plans for either a tram or rapid bus service can be set in motion. And these aren't the only projects currently planned along that corridor, just the largest ones.

marno21

mire wrote: »

No it does not. Cork will need a lot more densification than two projects to make a fixed public transport corridor viable

You've got to start somewhere, and if the above go ahead and more development follows, it'll strengthen the case for LRT. I much prefer these developments to more semi Ds in Glanmire or Carrigaline with "proximity to M8/M28" in big writing on billboards.

Roger Hassenforder

marno21 wrote: »

You've got to start somewhere, and if the above go ahead and more development follows, it'll strengthen the case for LRT. I much prefer these developments to more semi Ds in Glanmire or Carrigaline with "proximity to M8/M28" in big writing on billboards.

Yup that's what we need. More fcuking cars!

Never thought I'd agree with Mire...

marno21

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Yup that's what we need. More fcuking cars!

Never thought I'd agree with Mire...

You must have misread my post! I said that dense developments along rapid transit corridor(s) are much more preferable to large scale housing developments in satellite towns with motorway commuting encouraged!

Roger Hassenforder

marno21 wrote: »

You must have misread my post! I said that dense developments along rapid transit corridor(s) are much more preferable to large scale housing developments in satellite towns with motorway commuting encouraged!

My bad

My fear is "dense" development in mahon will just stretch the available density along the corridor from point A to B, resulting in unsustainable density on both.
With both being without services.

Shedite27

Is there any update on what's planned for Tivoli docks? I see pre-planning consultation closed a year ago

snotboogie

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/25-storey-apartment-block-planned-for-Mahon-52cd8c00-5253-482b-bc33-ae4c072f7f47-ds

Media finally picked up on the Mahon project, using probably the worst two images I've seen of it as well

questionmark?

Some amusing comments on the Echo facebook page. I hope it has a fire escape and it will ruin the estuary are two of the stand out comments. They should get a job with An Taisce!

marno21

snotboogie wrote: »

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/25-storey-apartment-block-planned-for-Mahon-52cd8c00-5253-482b-bc33-ae4c072f7f47-ds

Media finally picked up on the Mahon project, using probably the worst two images I've seen of it as well

Given the one sided wankfest the Examiner & Echo had about the M28 and how the sky was going to fall in Rochestown and Douglas after it was built, this isn't surprising.

Extremely disappointing carry on from them. If they were this bad when independently owned god help us when they come under the control of the anti-development wing of the Irish Times.

marno21

A nice change of viewpoint by the Echo in their latest article, which I must commend. Fair play

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/High-rise-apartment-plan-welcomed-b91a7f65-c2d6-43d4-b87e-b35833c74e48-ds

Btw, has anyone called it "Mahon-hattan" yet?

D'Agger

I'm all for development of Jacobs Island, would help service the businesses out there with people (who can afford it) able to rent close to work. Already has the no.8 servicing it, with the Skehard Rd works hopefully going to improve the traffic flow for public transport there.

That said - wasn't a development shot down recently in that area by local councillors stating that it would create a bubble with people charging extortionate rents. That's a fairly vague recollection of it but I remember there being a fairly dumb reason for it at the time.

GavRedKing

Rents in Jacobs Island arent all that cheap at the moment.

I'd imagine the rent for those new apartments would be more expensive than whats being charged at the moment.

2 bed apartments in Jacobs Island are about €1,400 a month, going by Daft.

Similar apartments are up for sale for €235k to 245k.

The Haven, the complex closer to Mahon Point, a 3 bed duplex is going for €235k and a 2 bed is going €180k.

AugustusMinimus

Something will need to be done with traffic in the area.

The current setup should not have been allowed. Jacobs Island should be served by a different bridge which should have no access to the SRR. This would give residents a safe and lowly trafficked way out of Jacobs Island and into Mahon.

At the same time, this would have allowed the current junction to have been built as a free flow trumpet like Bloomfield. The way it is now is a mess.

Apogee

Article on derelict sites register.
https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/City-Halls-dereliction-clampdown-75-sites-now-registered-e0b6a097-43c6-4302-b33a-ad6935a39810-ds

Among the more substantial sites are those on Kyrl's Quay and North Main St.

http://www.corkcity.ie/services/strategicplanningeconomicdevelopment/derelictsites/
http://corkcity.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=470fc563b7344acf9aa14038090ebf3d

Collio729

Just saw a sign telling people to object to the 25 story tower

marno21

Collio729 wrote: »

Just saw a sign telling people to object to the 25 story tower

Where ?

questionmark?

Collio729 wrote: »

Just saw a sign telling people to object to the 25 story tower

Why?

Shedite27

questionmark? wrote: »

Why?

You're not doing it right unless someone objects.

SleetAndSnow

It’s most likely somebody from like Bishopstown or The Lough or something objecting to it even though they aren’t from the area. Like there really isn’t any developments around there to object.

Captainsatnav

It was me

MrDerp

D'Agger wrote: »

I'm all for development of Jacobs Island, would help service the businesses out there with people (who can afford it) able to rent close to work. Already has the no.8 servicing it, with the Skehard Rd works hopefully going to improve the traffic flow for public transport there.

That said - wasn't a development shot down recently in that area by local councillors stating that it would create a bubble with people charging extortionate rents. That's a fairly vague recollection of it but I remember there being a fairly dumb reason for it at the time.

Good job it’s gone straight to ABP under the new scheme

Rhys Essien

marno21 wrote: »

A nice change of viewpoint by the Echo in their latest article, which I must commend. Fair play

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/High-rise-apartment-plan-welcomed-b91a7f65-c2d6-43d4-b87e-b35833c74e48-ds

Btw, has anyone called it "Mahon-hattan" yet?

Estuary Tower
Mahonhattan
New Cork City.:pac:

Collio729

The sign was put up on the walking cycling track next to jacobs island. I have a picture of it but dont know how to attach it if anyone would like to show me how lol (im new). It stated that it would result in a huge increase in traffic, and privacy concerns over people overlooking into their homes from the tower

BionicRasher

snotboogie wrote: »

Lot's of housing getting announced now; Mahon, Cobh and Blackpool all in the last week? I just hope that these don't go the same way as the student apartments: Only 34 new student bed spaces delivered since 2016 I know we will have the BAM and UCC apartments coming around next year but given the huge volume of announcements to much fanfare in the last two or three years it's still shocking. I'd say less than 20% of student apartments that got planning in this time have actually started construction. Hopefully the Crows Nest and the Square deal start soon....

Any information on the Cobh plan? 350 more cars on the small roads around the town will be a pain

Missyelliot2

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Something will need to be done with traffic in the area.

The current setup should not have been allowed. Jacobs Island should be served by a different bridge which should have no access to the SRR. This would give residents a safe and lowly trafficked way out of Jacobs Island and into Mahon.

At the same time, this would have allowed the current junction to have been built as a free flow trumpet like Bloomfield. The way it is now is a mess.

Completely agree. Our friends have moved from Jacobs Island for that exact reason - they felt completely 'trapped' during the busy shopping season, Christmas, Cork on Ice and rainy Sundays.

D'Agger

GavRedKing wrote: »

Rents in Jacobs Island arent all that cheap at the moment.

I'd imagine the rent for those new apartments would be more expensive than whats being charged at the moment.

2 bed apartments in Jacobs Island are about €1,400 a month, going by Daft.

Similar apartments are up for sale for €235k to 245k.

The Haven, the complex closer to Mahon Point, a 3 bed duplex is going for €235k and a 2 bed is going €180k.

The supply will have to increase for the older apartments prices to go down both from a sale and rental perspective I'd imagine/hope. The lack of supply to the rental market is allowing people to charge 1400 for 2 beds and the bubble currently being experienced for 2nd hand housing is only going to be abated by affordable housing being created.

Went to a viewing in Jacobs Island a year ago, apartment put up for 180k by DNG Creedon, it was a frenzy, people giving verbal agreements to 220k as I was leaving and it was at that point I decided that I wouldn't be able to buy for a minimum of two years.

I'm one of those people who could probably just about afford something now, but would be getting bent over on a 2nd hand housing market that's inflated dramatically in the past 24months. Not worth it IMO so going to wait and see.