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cms88

More of the same questions to be asked once more.

Since lasts years semi final how many games have the likes of Young, Maher and Walsh played? Be it with club or county?

Subs that made no scene and took too long to bring on.

Some very below par displays from the likes of Sean O Shea, Jack Barry amoung others.

Another thing once again no sign of Ronan Shanahan yesterday. EF seems to have a thing against him when it comes to the championship. Something that's also worrying is the amount of players, more so in the last two years, who seem to have gone backwards. The likes of Crowley etc just don't seem to have kicked on from 2014 at all

Also once again no plan when it comes to kick outs. Not sure how many were just kicked 10 yards to a fellas feet.

All and all once of if not the worst display in 20 years.

dobman88

Speakerboxx wrote: »

You certainly do know your stuff in fairness, fair play to you.

Ah he's trolling, take no notice, I'd say he's a Clare man. I called him out on it at the time. I believe the term I used was "blow holing". Don't feed it etc etc.

windy shepard henderson

Speakerboxx wrote: »

You certainly do know your stuff in fairness, fair play to you.

Am ......that was about 4 weeks ago why wait until now to point out my lack of foresight?

Speakerboxx

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

Fantastic stuff again tonight , the defensive structure is probably the best in the country at the moment , whether its cork Clare or whomever this Kerry team is miles ahead of most of the country , I highly doubt galway would give ye a game the way ye are shaping up at the moment ,

You certainly do know your stuff in fairness, fair play to you.

MfMan

wonga77 wrote: »

Huge ask to get a result in Clones next weekend. Too many passengers on this team, JOD living off the hype of a few years ago, offers nothing. Same ole subs as usual far too predictable.
Fair play to Clifford, the only plus from a horrendous display.
I have zero sympathy for Fitzmaurice, he has alienated the players from the club scene and has made this bed for himself. He doesn't seem to have learnt a single thing from the last few years

Fitzmaurice will get it right yet. Leave him for another few years.

dd972

Well, that was good today...

windy shepard henderson

Watched a lot of what kerry have been doing under age in the last 4 years or so . But between yesterday and today it must act as a watershed for a number of players for the future , blame fitzmorris all you like but players attitude needs to be considered

Two years ago if that kildare u20 yesterday team met that kerry minor team of 2016 they would have been hammered , as for today ....bad and all Clare and cork are that was a huge drop off in work rate

ciarriaithuaidh

FourFourFM wrote: »

Very harsh.

It’s a tad harsh but not unwarranted either. Not once today when he got the ball in 1 v 1 situations, did JOD even look to take on his man. This happened on 3/4 occasions at least. 2014 JOD would have immediately looked to get outside the shoulder and head for goal. Look at his goal v Galway in 2014 if example needed. He just doesn’t look anywhere near that level sadly. I’d love to be proved wrong but I wonder has he fully gotten over the shoulder issues?

In general today was brutal. Tactics, positioning, changes all rubbish by management.
Poor work-rate, movement and decision-making from players on the field then, which management can’t totally be blamed for. Paul Geaney, who I rate very highly and who is usually a very smart player, did 2 things which summed the performance up: 1.Tried to flick the ball up on a couple of occasions and lost it. 2.Incredibly failed to see or ignored a 4 v 1 overlap which surely would have produced a goal and worse still, kicked the ball way up in the air and wide.

Hugely deflating and disappointing day and a big challenge to pick things up for next week.

One last thing, no effect on result really but the ref today was absolutely horrendous and looked like he had no idea what he was doing. He wasted 5 mins himself wandering aimlessly around during stoppages I reckon. Looked completely clueless. Also stopped the game needlessly on a lot of occasions when Galway were clearly looking to just run down clock (we’d all try the same let’s be honest!) which you don’t do unless there’s a suspected head or serious injury.
Unfortunately there was 1 serious injury to Paul Conroy today and looks like his season is over. Terrible luck as he was going well but Young Cooke gave a good display when he came in. Huge credit to Walsh and his management. Galway will be hard for anyone to beat.

FourFourRED

wonga77 wrote: »

JOD living off the hype of a few years ago, offers nothing.

Very harsh.

mystic86

Special mention for Clifford, 1-5 today, 1-4 from play - at the end of last year the talk was will Clifford be brought up to Senior for 2018, and if so will he be able to make the step up successfully... we now find ourselves in the position where Clifford is our main man. Startling to think about, serious praise must go his way.

wonga77

Huge ask to get a result in Clones next weekend. Too many passengers on this team, JOD living off the hype of a few years ago, offers nothing. Same ole subs as usual far too predictable.
Fair play to Clifford, the only plus from a horrendous display.
I have zero sympathy for Fitzmaurice, he has alienated the players from the club scene and has made this bed for himself. He doesn't seem to have learnt a single thing from the last few years

mystic86

One step forward, 5 steps back.

With all the excitement and anticipation this year with the talk of the youth, the pace, the directness, the desire etc. what we saw today was a kick in the gut.

Eamonn Fitzmaurice should be utterly ashamed of himself for sending his team out to play like that!!

With one game our whole season has changed. Now, if we do manage to beat Monaghan next weekend, it is most likely we finish 2nd in the group, and face Dublin in a semi final and that most definitely will be the end of us this year (if not before that).

How EF could send them out to play like that is utterly incomprehensible and hugely depressing. I am sick to death of EF.

mystic86

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

5. That injury was 15 minutes. 8 minutes added on. The game needs a stop clock for injuries like rugby. Lots of lads killing the clock towards the end.

It was 6 minutes, I just checked the recording.

dobman88

We look more likely to finish bottom of the group than go through based on today's games. Going to Clones next week needing to win isn't ideal. Monaghan will know they qualify with a win and be all out to do it. Have to think Galway beat Kildare so they'll also qualify. Kildare on the back of two losses come to Killarney with all guns blazing and CoN wanting to beat Eamonn, turn Kerry over and we finish bottom with 3 losses....

Today was absolutely dreadful. Serious work needed on kick outs and shooting.

FourFourRED

Fitzmaurice very slow to react from the first kick of a ball today. Some of the decisions when he did make them were poor. He will surely take the blame for today.

Massive test ahead of us next Sunday. Can see Monaghan licking their lips at the prospect of frustrating the life out of us for 70+ minutes. Not one bit confident.

Forge83

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

6. Nothing learned. Poor game. It was crying out for Donahy and high ball in. Running and sick passing was no good in those conditions. Route one havoc was required .

I was thinking the same at 20mins gone. Even in the last ten mins I found it strange no Donaghy on.

Mr. Incognito

Well that was depressing. Its one thing to play well and be beaten but that was direct.

1. Both teams set up defensively. Lots of tepid handpasses over and back and isolated runners.

2. Conditions were awful. Balls were skidding around. Players couldnt get footing. It was genuinely dangerous out there.

3. Both teams were terrible. Nervous. Flat. Lots of bad wides. Neither team could get going.

4. Derry ref. Totally inconsistent. Galway got a lot of soft frees around kick outs and Kerry couldnt buy a free for the first 50 minutes.

5. That injury was 15 minutes. 8 minutes added on. The game needs a stop clock for injuries like rugby. Lots of lads killing the clock towards the end.

6. Nothing learned. Poor game. It was crying out for Donahy and high ball in. Running and sick passing was no good in those conditions. Route one havoc was required

7. Galway were there for the beating. Psycholigically they beaten. If they could have kicked half their points we should have been beaten out the gate.

Bass Reeves

Right brain fart. Killian was not a centre back in his hey day not to mind at 31. When you do a double substitution you have a problem a triple means you are brain dead. Nothing on the bench to change tbe game plan. Maher when he came on nearly gave away a goal with a backpass, proceeded then to give away the ball twice with a bad handpass and kickpass. Fitz always reverts to older players whoes day are gone

Forge83

conor05 wrote: »

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Fitzmaurice is not the man to bring this squad of players forward.

He reverts back to type everytime he steps into Croke Park.

Grand hammering Clare and Cork but Galway were our first test and we failed miserably.

Completely agree. It’s like Groundhog Day when his original game plan doesn’t work out. No ability to think outside the box.
It was quite obvious within 20mins that runners like O Brien and McCarthy were ineffective with how Galway were set up.
No plan b for kickouts when they weren’t going to plan.
Look at Dublin deploying Howard at wing back also acting as a fielding midfielder. That’s thinking outside the box.

Any idea what happened Morley?

conor05

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Fitzmaurice is not the man to bring this squad of players forward.

He reverts back to type everytime he steps into Croke Park.

Grand hammering Clare and Cork but Galway were our first test and we failed miserably.

SecretsOfEarth

Insipid thus far, everyone seems to be extremely off the boil and, dare I say it, disinterested. Major increase in tempo needed!

dobman88

DDC1990 wrote: »

Really wet day in Dublin and looks like it's down for the day.

Won't suit either side, who would prefer to have a dry ball to attack with.

It will certainly make the likes of Gavin White, Stephen O'Brien, Sean Kelly and Eamonn Brannigan less effective on the counter attack.

Ran into penneys for a jacket of some kind. Qs of fans all buying them. Yer man said they've restocked twice already today :pac:

DDC1990

Really wet day in Dublin and looks like it's down for the day.

Won't suit either side, who would prefer to have a dry ball to attack with.

It will certainly make the likes of Gavin White, Stephen O'Brien, Sean Kelly and Eamonn Brannigan less effective on the counter attack.

Bass Reeves

mickeyk wrote: »

Does Shanahan qualify as a young player? He is roughly the same age as Mark Griffen and a few others, I know he is relatively new on the scene but he is 26-27 iirc.

While I do agree we lack game changers on the bench I can’t think of too many youngsters around the county that are hard done by to be left out. I also think that Darren, Killian and Maher have plenty to offer if they can stay healthy. They are all coming back from various injuries and will get sharper as they go.

Did not realize that Shanahan was that old. However Darren was very poor when he came on in the Cork game cannot see him making that vast improvement. Maher was little better and Killian much the same. The real issue is that young players will no longer hang around for ever. They will head off on J1's or travel after college. If it becomes the accepted wisdom amoung young players that they are going nowhere they will exit the setup. It amazing how much some of them improve if they get a smell of it. But if they see younger players passing them by and older lads bench warming and that is what those lads are doing then they will lose interest

crusier

Fr Tod Umptious wrote:

The worm turned in spring 2017 when the u21s under Jack lost to Galway in a SF and the seniors won the league v Dublin.

With respect TOD you are a Mayo man and don't have Kerry's best interests at heart. Jack O Connor would probably be able to win Mayo an all ireland not alone Kerry. I think you want him out of the way with all the talent he's bringing through the minor ranks over the last 4 years!

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keane2097 wrote: »

Ugh the ****ing thoughts of it

The worm turned in spring 2017 when the u21s under Jack lost to Galway in a SF and the seniors won the league v Dublin.

keane2097

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The accepted narrative of a few years ago that Jack O'Connor would return as senior manager must be shot now.

Ugh the ****ing thoughts of it

keane2097

DDC1990 wrote: »

Some of the panic play from Kerry is so poor. Individual errors have really cost us.

I've never seen a Kerry player miss a 13m free before.

Kildare deserve their win.

Calmer, better prepared team win.

Mikey Sheehy missed one in the final in '82. Missed a penalty as well although penalties were tough that time.

DDC1990

In the end I think the lads probably deserved a draw.

But the game is all about the result and not what you deserve. We had chances.

Gutted for the lads. Phenomenal effort without Clifford and O'Shea.

This is a fine Kildare team who dominated Dublin. They dominated us for large periods as well. Hyland is a class footballer but no way should we have left him so open to get 1-8.

Frustrated with some calls that went against us when we had all the momentum which allowed Kildare to run down the clock but thats football.

[Deleted User]

The accepted narrative of a few years ago that Jack O'Connor would return as senior manager must be shot now.

He has failed to progress the u21 and u20 teams for the last three (I think) years now.

Time to let PK have a crack at the u20s.