dr.fuzzenstein wrote: » ancapailldorcha wrote: » Simple. Trump is a populist whose electoral strategy works as follows: Bemoan as much as possible about modern America.Find a specific demographic to blame for this, ideally a minority so they can't hurt you at the ballot box.Promise to fix everything with a return to the good old, whiter days. Khan just happens to be part of this demographic and isn't a far right populist. Hopefully he doesn't swing by Sheffield which has a socialist Muslim mayor. RIGOLO wrote: » Still having issues responding to ancapailldorchas post... Working fine. I suspect subconcious self-sabotage.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Simple. Trump is a populist whose electoral strategy works as follows: Bemoan as much as possible about modern America.Find a specific demographic to blame for this, ideally a minority so they can't hurt you at the ballot box.Promise to fix everything with a return to the good old, whiter days. Khan just happens to be part of this demographic and isn't a far right populist. Hopefully he doesn't swing by Sheffield which has a socialist Muslim mayor.
RIGOLO wrote: » Still having issues responding to ancapailldorchas post...
StringerBell wrote: » As expected poor Trump has not taken the giant baby well, says he feels unwelcome and doesn't blame the people of the UK cause they love him. It's the government obvious and that terrible London mayor who made him feel unwelcome so why would he want to go there.
RIGOLO wrote: » Yep theres some glitch you cant quote this mods post and respond to it ... The economic data would contradict you African American unemployment is at its lowest African American wage earnings is at its highest and the same for hispanics.
everlast75 wrote: » Time for the hypocrisy horn folks!http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/06/trumps-mar-lago-seeks-to-hire-61-foreign-workers.html
Danzy wrote: » Trump has a problem with illegal migration and believes in managed legal migration. That is a view that a majority in America and in nearly all countries of the world hold. The whack jobs at the fringes, the Koch brothers in the Libertarian Party, the Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, all have extreme views that only a tiny minority believe in, views more common at the very top of society. Positions so extreme to the free market side that they are even rejected in ultra capitalist America. His position on migration while hamfisted, remains correct and an admirable one.
RIGOLO wrote: » Cool.. so as I was saying . The economic data contradicts the assertion. African American employment is at its highest. African American earnings at their highest Hispanic earnings and employment also at its highest. Its in the US Dept Of Labour statistics. https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000006 That sort of divisive rhetoric , which ignores US Dept Of Labour statistics is not really conducive to debate. It just sucks all the oxygen out of any reasoned discussion. I think the left think that debate style will win the mid-terms and win 2020 by continuing that sort of viewpoint. They are playing into the GOP hands. It didnt work pre 2016 in stopping Trump and it wont work for the mid-terms or for 2020.
Danzy wrote: » Some of your posts often are Tractor production up 800% this month but this is spot on. Many of the people most opposed to Trump are ideologues and largely from well heeled white neighbourhoods, especially the ones further to the left. They don't want to know or seem to care about things like this. The narrative is all they know about others lives, or all they often want to know. The doom mongering and hysteria will play in to his hands, anything bar economic collapse and the SS on the streets shooting people will be seen as the Donald not doing too bad a job. If it continues that people are even a little better off, with the bar set so low by his opponents, it will make him seem like a genius. He is cunning enough to know that and to let them carry on, provoke as needed, and they will deliver, same as they did in the Presidential election. He has a good chance of winning because of who his opponents are, same as last time. His own side cannot match the effort.
everlast75 wrote: » "In June 2015, while Trump was a presidential candidate, he said, "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best." He added: "They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." He did not specify that these people were illegal. He was talking about immigrants. Stop being selective to mount a defence. He is racist, pure and simple. He has voiced a preference for immigration from nordic countries. He doesn't like African places as they are sh1tholes. He doesn't like mexicans either. But he will sure as sh1t hire immigrants in his hotels, or ship in steel from outside the US for his construction, or have his Trump ties made in China. But, you know, MAGA!!!!
Danzy wrote: » Legal migration from Mexico is quite small, in comparison to the illegal one over the last few years. The turning of the blind eye to illegal migration really took off in Reagan's America, as you would expect, the free market fanatic Gipper want cheap Labour, non-unionized Labour, non regulated Labour. He is blunt and uncouth but the gist of his arguments are correct. There is a very serious problem in having a community operate outside of the law. Pity his opponents never wanted to do anything about these problems, it was easier to be an activist on Saturday, shop that afternoon and do Lunch on Sunday.
Danzy wrote: » Legal migration from Mexico is quite small, in comparison to the illegal one over the last few years.
Danzy wrote: » The turning of the blind eye to illegal migration really took off in Reagan's America, as you would expect, the free market fanatic Gipper want cheap Labour, non-unionized Labour, non regulated Labour.
Danzy wrote: » He is blunt and uncouth but the gist of his arguments are correct.
Danzy wrote: » There is a very serious problem in having a community operate outside of the law.
Danzy wrote: » Pity his opponents never wanted to do anything about these problems, it was easier to be an activist on Saturday, shop that afternoon and do Lunch on Sunday.
listermint wrote: » Most of people , yada yada yada, More deployment of manipulative social posting to put people in a favourable bracket to vilify them with zero evidence. Why are these people. Where is your evidence of well heeled people suffering some form of episode or idealogue? You have none its waffle, you pulled it off reddit or twitter.
Deleted User wrote: » In fairness, for two years I've been reading here and elsewhere that Trump's voters were the uneducated poor white people of America. If those aren't the white people who are massively anti-Trump, it leaves the non-poor educated as he described. Broad strokes obviously but it fits with my own anecdotal experiences in terms of the people who are always complaining about Trump.
listermint wrote: » The free market !? Trump his ilk republicans and Tories are all for the Free Market, How is you can be against the free market here and then for it with your support for all of the above. Hilarious. Polar opposite opinions.
RIGOLO wrote: » Cool.. so as I was saying . The economic data contradicts the assertion.African American employment is at its highest. African American earnings at their highest Hispanic earnings and employment also at its highest. Its in the US Dept Of Labour statistics. https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000006 That sort of divisive rhetoric , which ignores US Dept Of Labour statistics is not really conducive to debate. It just sucks all the oxygen out of any reasoned discussion. I think the left think that debate style will win the mid-terms and win 2020 by continuing that sort of viewpoint. They are playing into the GOP hands. It didnt work pre 2016 in stopping Trump and it wont work for the mid-terms or for 2020.
listermint wrote: » You have been reading hear for 2 years ? From who ? Anecdotal evidence? what is that you conversations with folks you just made up ? This is usual format for people who like to propagate lies, they read it in Reddit they see a meme on twiiter or wherever it looks like it fits nicely in a box that they already imagined therefore it becomes fact and they continue the lie in other forums hoping not to get called on it. Stop spreading lies lads it should be beneath you if you value being respected for your opinions. The latest fad lie is Trump demented syndrome or some other crappy meme, no doubt this crap about Idealogues feeds into this drivel.
Danzy wrote: » ? Can you rewrite that, so someone can maybe reply to it. Or make it shorter but understandable.
Danzy wrote: » They are but his approach to migration is not free market and that alone is a shift in outlook that is as big a challenge to Neoliberlism as it has had in decades. It is the only challenge to it. Look at Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Keith Ellison, numerous others in the Democrats, very large numners in the modern Left. They have a position that is ultra free market on migration yet will happily talk about worker's rights, the State having an obligation to the people, public services. It is laughable and increasinly across the West people are no longer buying it, this is seeing the Left die out in many areas, especially working class areas. The only reason the West saw the large scale migration of the last 25 years, was the ascendancy of Neoliberal economics. It is the only reason it happened, the only way it can be sustained. It provided cheap labour, demand and it finishes the idea of the Welfare State, makes it unworkable. The Left, having become a largely well to do movement was less affected so it didn't mind. An English commentator had a good line about the Tories sneering at their opponents while Labour sneers at its base.
relax carry on wrote: » Any chance RIGOLO or Danzy or any other Trump supporter answering the question why he feels the need to keep telling people he's a "stable genius"? Any thoughts?
listermint wrote: » ah now its 'Ultra Free Market' and normal free market. Its rare to see as much moving of the goalposts as youve managed this morning. Scratch that, its not. Its a common theme in the defence of trump and usually stems from 'my guy' mentality. Simple as that. Who is this 'left' and why are they well to do or well healed ? do you have any evidence or examples of this at all. I mean i personally know electricians and plumbers who are pulling in 70K plus per year. Are these people the left ? Id like a bit more evidence from your posts rather than musings and blanket statements about some bogey man people that you have come up with yourself who are self obsessed with 'your guy' and suffer some from of demon episode when is name is brought up. Because its a funny picture you are attempting to paint and not at all believable.
Danzy wrote: » He is a narcissist. I wouldn't call myself a Trump supporter but I agree with several of his things and see him as a disruptor to the Status quo and neoliberal order. He is the result of 40 years of madness that was not sustainable. Any port in a storm and no one else is bothering to change things.
First they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemöller
Quin_Dub wrote: » RIGOLO wrote: » Cool.. so as I was saying . The economic data contradicts the assertion.African American employment is at its highest. African American earnings at their highest Hispanic earnings and employment also at its highest. Its in the US Dept Of Labour statistics. https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000006 That sort of divisive rhetoric , which ignores US Dept Of Labour statistics is not really conducive to debate. It just sucks all the oxygen out of any reasoned discussion. I think the left think that debate style will win the mid-terms and win 2020 by continuing that sort of viewpoint. They are playing into the GOP hands. It didnt work pre 2016 in stopping Trump and it wont work for the mid-terms or for 2020. Largely this is correct ,however the key question in regards to Trump is "what specifically has he done to impact these figures?" If you look at the data you posted and look at the trend it shows a steady and continuous improvement since some time in 2011. There are no inflection points in the data since Trump took over , there's no change in the trend from a statistical perspective. So all he has done is continue the downward trend that's been occurring for the last 7 years. No question , Credit is due for not breaking that trend , but claims of him or his policies being responsible for it are simply not true.
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