whisky_galore wrote: » Not without a fight and objections from walkers and cyclists.
zetalambda wrote: » Exactly. Once planning is granted for this proposal and the Ford site next to PUC, it pretty much guarantees the viability of an east-west transport corridor using the old railway line.
SleetAndSnow wrote: » It’s a start though, Jacobs Island is zoned for high rise buildings so even building one there may start development of others.
marno21 wrote: » Dense development at Jacobs Island along with employment and retail in Mahon will heavily strengthen the case for a light rail or at worse bus rapid transit from Jacobs Island-Mahon-Docklands-City Centre
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » I'm all for high rise, but that looks a bit bland. + I think they should be clustered in the city centre Looks a bit wrong there.
marno21 wrote: » 82 metres. I have no issue with a landmark building at the tunnel mouth/Jacobs Island if done right. You already have the now disused RTE 729 AM transmission tower there. View of development from M40 westbound Stunning development imo
marno21 wrote: » How we all missed this, including the media.. Plans for 25 storey apartment block at Jacob's Island, as discussed on SSC here (great thread: https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=305784&page=45)http://montip-horizon.ie/ Hopefully the anti-development brigade keep away
questionmark? wrote: » That's a great proposal! Hope it gets built. Although i'm just waiting for An Taisce to object to it ruining the views of something!
mire wrote: » Two large housing applications have been submitted directly to the board one is for approximately 350 units in Cobh and one for an even larger residential development in Mahon. The project in Mahon involves mainly apartments as far as I am aware and a 25 Storey Tower
mire wrote: » The project in Mahon involves mainly apartments as far as I am aware and a 25 Storey Tower
jamesbere wrote: » What's been done on Oliver pl St next to the old oak, is see all the scaffolding there
who_me wrote: » If you want people to change, give them better alternatives.
who_me wrote: » thomil wrote: » What is it with this almost pathological aversion to apartments in this country, anyway? It seems that people just WANT a house with a garden, regardless of the fact that the „gardens“ in most of those estates are the size of a beach towel, and the only vegetation appears to consist of a few anaemic blades of grass quietly begging you to kill them. What is so appealing about that? I can't speak for everyone, but as someone who's lived in apartments for ~20 years now; there are some massive compromises in apartment living: Size: apartments are - almost invariably - smaller, so less living space. Storage: From what I saw when I was viewing/buying, most apartments lack adequate in-apartment storage, and it's extremely rare to have any out-of-apartment storage for outsized items (furniture etc.) Want to live the modern lifestyle and cycle everywhere? Where do you safely store your bike? Like sports like surfing? Keep the board in the fridge? Prams/buggies? Noise: Particularly a problem with wooden floors being more popular. I can hear everyone walking/running up and down the building stairs, and every step my upstairs neighbours take. Plus, on quiet days, I can listen to their conversations. Don't even talk about TV/music/parties! Privacy: see above. Security: With a shared entrance to the building, there's always the risk of non-residents getting in (or even residents gaining access to things they shouldn't). I had someone pick up a utility bill of mine and use it to fraudulently buy from the ESB store in 'my' name. Also had issues where someone lost their front-door key; and when the management agency changed the lock I was locked out of my own home. And worse, in my current building people would get buzzed in if they tried enough doorbells, then kick in the door of an unused apartment to sleep the night. Later, someone (same people?) glued over the lock so the front door would be always left open. Water ingress: a surprisingly important one. If When water leaks, it keeps on going, floor after floor. Over the years I've had two leaks from my apartment, one serious, and 4 leaks into it. One of which cost me ~2,000 euros to re-tile my bathroom after the damage (management company didn't want another insurance claim), and a LOT of stress dealing with the repercussions/costs with my upstairs and downstairs neighbours. Management fees: Can be thousands of euros per year, dependent on the building. Outdoor areas: a massive one for me, and the single biggest thing I miss about a house. Not having even a balcony - especially in this kind of weather - isn't nice. Not having larger outdoor areas probably means apartments are instantly rejected by small families. "Go outside and play with the traffic?" Access: Many apartment buildings still lack elevators, and few if any have anything approaching a service elevator for brining in any out-sized items. Hell, I've even seen one proposal that didn't have any stairs, and relied on external fire-escapes for all access. Many of these things COULD be addressed in modern developments; but unless/until they actually ARE addressed I'd be very opposed to any pressure being put on anyone to move to apartment living. And all I see are moves by developers here to reduce the minimum size of apartments yet further. In many nations where apartment living is more the norm, the facilities they enjoy are far better. I've seen many urbanisations in Spain, which had shared storage, laundry, pool, sports (tennis/basketball) facilities on premises etc. If these facilities were offered, peoples' opinions would change. People are attracted to house living (and car owning) because they offer large benefits in utility, convenience, privacy, security etc. If you want people to change, give them better alternatives. Or, you know, we could just have lots of petty whinging about them on internet forums. Has never worked yet, but maybe Einstein was wrong...
thomil wrote: » What is it with this almost pathological aversion to apartments in this country, anyway? It seems that people just WANT a house with a garden, regardless of the fact that the „gardens“ in most of those estates are the size of a beach towel, and the only vegetation appears to consist of a few anaemic blades of grass quietly begging you to kill them. What is so appealing about that?
fash wrote: » As does most of Europe - standard street has 5-7 storeys blocks on each side. It means you keep cafes and shops alive from passing trade alone and can have great services.
CHealy wrote: » thomil wrote: » Hear hear, although I can vividly imagine the uproar this would cause amongst the general population. The usual shower are already whining about these „tower blocks“ being plonked down in Blackpool, comparing it to Ballymun, and questioning the need when there‘s empty houses in Blackpool, etc. What is it with this almost pathological aversion to apartments in this country, anyway? It seems that people just WANT a house with a garden, regardless of the fact that the „gardens“ in most of those estates are the size of a beach towel, and the only vegetation appears to consist of a few anaemic blades of grass quietly begging you to kill them. What is so appealing about that? The same people giving out about these "blocks" are the same ones who'll be on Neil next week saying their darling daughter cant get a house and has been on the list for 10 years. Its NIMBY-ism 101. If I had my way we'd be going down the line of specific areas to be developed with tower blocks. They get a bad rep but if its done correctly they can be a great community, the UK does these well for the most part.
thomil wrote: » Hear hear, although I can vividly imagine the uproar this would cause amongst the general population. The usual shower are already whining about these „tower blocks“ being plonked down in Blackpool, comparing it to Ballymun, and questioning the need when there‘s empty houses in Blackpool, etc. What is it with this almost pathological aversion to apartments in this country, anyway? It seems that people just WANT a house with a garden, regardless of the fact that the „gardens“ in most of those estates are the size of a beach towel, and the only vegetation appears to consist of a few anaemic blades of grass quietly begging you to kill them. What is so appealing about that?
