Danzy wrote: » I know of a couple where the kids were taken off them, as they were both going to jail for being involved in a drug ring. I think they went to stay with her sister. Breaking the law is a risky business.
everlast75 wrote: » The idea that Trump calls members of NATO delinquents for not paying their bill is utter hypocrisy on a number of fronts; 1) It is not a Bill, it is a contribution 2) The only time NATO sprang to help another nation was after 9/11, i.e. US was the only country to benefit in that way 3) The US has failed to live up to its commitments in terms of the Paris Accord and the Iran Treaty 4) Trump doesn't even pay HIS own Bills.. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-09/trump-s-personal-driver-for-25-years-sues-for-unpaid-overtime 5) Germany are in Afghanistan, assisting and second only in commitment to the US, in a war the US started 6) The US spends more on defence as they are at war on a number of fronts Others have asked on here why Trump would want increased spending in NATO as it was formed primarily to help defend against the USSR. In my view, he is causing ructions so he will have a pretence to then leave, which would be to Putin's pleasure. He would be free to annex the next Country on his list.
RIGOLO wrote: » Thats a common mis-conception, its only partially true, there were a number of reasons. With one of the main ones stemming from lessons learned after WWI and The Treaty of Versailles, where many felt German reparations had been too harsh and excluded Germany too much which directly led to events in the 30s. It was only post Korean war , Russia nuclear advancments and Warsaw Pact that the military mission came to be the primary raison d'etre. Up to then it was also seen as an alliance to promote political integration. https://www.nato.int/cps/ie/natohq/declassified_139339.htmIt is often said that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization was founded in response to the threat posed by the Soviet Union. This is only partially true. In fact, the Alliance’s creation was part of a broader effort to serve three purposes: deterring Soviet expansionism, forbidding the revival of nationalist militarism in Europe through a strong North American presence on the continent, and encouraging European political integration. NATO summit continues and this mornings press release is specifically directed to the UKRAINE and Georgoia. No doubt left as to the NATO condemnation of Russian intervention and also actions being taken to secure Ukraine. Obviously the press release would have gotten US Trump Administration sign off. It would be hard to spin how its a Putin friendly communique. And factor in the 40% increase in US European military investment in Europe since Trump took office, again hard to spin how thats a Putin friendly act. The Trump Administration has given NATO a badly needed kick in the arse.Chairman’s statement on NATO-Ukraine following the meeting of the North Atlantic Council with Georgia and Ukraine at the Brussels Summit
RIGOLO wrote: » forbidding the revival of nationalist militarism in Europe through a strong North American presence on the continent, and encouraging European political integration.
RIGOLO wrote: » Obviously the press release would have gotten US Trump Administration sign off. It would be hard to spin how its a Putin friendly communique.
RIGOLO wrote: » It is often said that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization was founded in response to the threat posed by the Soviet Union. This is only partially true. In fact, the Alliance’s creation was part of a broader effort to serve three purposes: deterring Soviet expansionism, forbidding the revival of nationalist militarism in Europe through a strong North American presence on the continent, and encouraging European political integration.
The president has come to rely heavily on his personal brand of one-on-one diplomacy, a technique he employed when he met with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un earlier this month in Singapore. While the White House applauded the meeting as a historic achievement, foreign-policy veterans noted that outside of bolstering Trump's own self-image, the US gained little from the summit and made significant concessions to North Korea. Experts say they expect the same outcome, with potentially massive consequences, when Trump meets with Putin in July.
President Donald Trump told leaders at the G7 summit that Crimea is part of Russia because everyone there speaks Russian, according to diplomatic sources
robinph wrote: » RIGOLO wrote: » It is often said that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization was founded in response to the threat posed by the Soviet Union. This is only partially true. In fact, the Alliance’s creation was part of a broader effort to serve three purposes: deterring Soviet expansionism, forbidding the revival of nationalist militarism in Europe through a strong North American presence on the continent, and encouraging European political integration. Did Trump write that? "Nato wasn't setup due to the threat from the Soviet Union, it was setup to deter Soviet expansion". Riiiiight They manage to split their contradictions into two sentences, which is better than Trump often manages, but surprised that got through the proof reading before being put up on their website.
RIGOLO wrote: » No Trump didnt write it . NATO WROTE it, perhaps they dont know why they were formed and you know better You can read it for yourself .. on the NATO website, its quite educational. A SHORT HISTORY OF NATOIn fact, the Alliance’s creation was part of a broader effort to serve three purposes: deterring Soviet expansionism
It is often said that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization was founded in response to the threat posed by the Soviet Union.
This is only partially true. In fact, the Alliance’s creation was part of a broader effort to serve three purposes: deterring Soviet expansionism
everlast75 wrote: » Don't even try to defend what's going on at the border. If you aren't disgusted, you aren't researching it enough.
Trump threatens to pull out of NATO President says US can go it alone if allies don’t meet spending target. By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN AND LILI BAYER 7/12/18, 11:43 AM CET Updated 7/12/18, 12:41 PM CET U.S. President Donald Trump threatened to break with NATO and conduct American security unilaterally — if allies do not immediately meet higher military spending targets, NATO officials and diplomats said. Trump warned of “grave consequences” if allies do not immediately meet higher spending targets, derailing a morning meeting of NATO leaders with the leaders of Georgia and Ukraine on the second day of a NATO leaders’ summit on Thursday. One NATO official said Trump wants a plan from alliance members by January on how to reach the spending target.
trellheim wrote: » did he just threaten to pull USA from NATO ? oh fkhttps://www.politico.eu/article/trump-threatens-to-pull-out-of-nato/
Danzy wrote: » As I said, he is no Corbyn but he marks the move away from Reaganism.
Leroy42 wrote: » " So Trump pulls out of NATO, then what. They lose access to all the European basis straight away. They lose access to European waters for their naval fleet. They lose access to Europe military assets. .
Danzy wrote: » 2008 marked the failing of Neoliberalism, the status quo of the Reagan/Thatcher era up to then, was over. His scrapping of TPP was straight from the Bernie Sanders playbook, his clamping down on illegal migration is economically more on the Left, than any Free market Republican. He is no Jeremy Corbyn but he is tearing up Status quo and given the changes of the last 40 years, someone was going to come along and do that.Trump doesn't believe in Pax Americana, the States as global policeman, this is just another sign of that. As I said, he is no Corbyn but he marks the move away from Reaganism.
Leroy42 wrote: » Except of course for his belief in trickle down economics!
Leroy42 wrote: » "Do there own thing". What like invade Iraq without any international backing? So Trump pulls out of NATO, then what. They lose access to all the European basis straight away. They lose access to European waters for their naval fleet. They lose access to Europe military assets. What exactly is Trump trying to achieve with this? He hasn't given any details of what he thinks are the benefits currently, or the benefits from getting increases from the rest. Just, spend more money. That is the policy it would seem.
Danzy wrote: » Doubt if he has a problem with that, it is the whole point. The European Deterrence Initiative is funded by the Americans to 3.4bn this year, never mind all the spending on bases etc which is to a much larger scale.
weisses wrote: » The 94 billion extra budget for defense disagrees with you.https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0053_defense-comparison Maybe its to defend against a Canadian invasion
