Nox wrote: » Unlike some of your previous posts, I have given this one considerable thought. Your point about religion is one I totally agree with. I had planned on mentioning something similar to that when the whole moslem escapade came up a few pages ago and it was crystal clear that any and all references I made about/to religion were taboo.One thing that you suggested is that I give opinions and support them. I need to point out, I already tried that is a couple cases only to have the "talking points" retort. I laugh at that because those retorts are nothing more than talking points themselves. A recent example is some discussion about unemployment numbers. A poster said something about American commentators. Of course, I asked which specific network/s were involved and I got a generalized answer. I know that the previous administration pumped out bogus numbers constantly and then later (usually on a late Friday afternoon issue 'revised' numbers. So I am totally numb when it comes to the numbers. But, the 'fact checkers' have only disputed rally attendance numbers. Interestingly there is a post saying that attendance numbers don't matter.You made the statement that none of the POTUS actions make sense. Wow. Not very long ago the anti crowd was screaming (literally) about world-wide nuclear war and that the POTUS would provoke it. Hmmm … how did that one work out. Yes, it ain't over, but I can count the number of missiles Rocket Man has fired since then on one hand and have five fingers left over.In conclusion … while I disagree with some of what you said, it is the most cogent post I have read here recently, and no, I have not thanked it.
Leroy42 wrote: » Nobody dislike your support for Trump, people are merely questioning the logic and consistency of the positions you take. As in religion, once the debate starts to move against them, the cry of "stop attacking me, just accept my belief" is trotted out. If you come onto a public forum to express you opinion, then it is only right and to be expected that others will look to understand that position and that involves questioning it. You say that its an impossible task to defend Trumps actions/statements/decisions? Why? There are many decision that people make that I don't agree with but I can defend the actions being taken. Of course it is possible to change beliefs, not consciously I would argue, but opening yourself up to questions, critically examining your position and looking at the consistency of the approach. People move all the time believing in religion to not, so your point to flawed. People don't hate everything he does for some irrational reason, they hate nearly everything he does because none of it makes sense, is usually badly thought out, seemingly based on nothing more than wanting to destroy anything Obama was involved in. In many cases it is based on nothing more than wanted to create trouble and he appears to be very easily manipulated. Opposition parties are not there to offer solutions, they are there to point out the issues. Trump, as POTUS, he needs to come up with solutions. He asked them to come up with a solution, they did and he threw it back at them.
Manic Moran wrote: » FWIW, the “real unemployment rate”is an actual thing, and has been falling pretty much continuously since 2010. 17% to 7.5%. It is currently at a 17-year low.https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-real-us-unemployment-rate-reached-a-17-year-low-2018-06-01
Nox wrote: » Yes, I do say what I want to say … but disregarding the truth? Hardly.
Nox wrote: » Hmmm … none of the 'basic qualities … Isn't being elected to govern a nation a basic quality required of a world leader? And as far as "never be considered …" never is a long time, and yes you and the anti crowd never will. You brought up Richard M Nixon … he did end the war, he did go to China among other things. Watergate has been the opposition feeding frenzy for decades … we'll see how this current Russia schtuff last after it is debunked.
looksee wrote: » Just as an aside, the quote Is referring to attendance records (obvious when you think about it, what else would he be concerned about). He is saying (kinda) that even without music or sport he is breaking records for attendance. This is of course not true, his attendances compared with EJ's crowd sizes does not even begin to compare, but who needs facts when you are on a roll, rambling.
Nox wrote: » Nice comment. Now would some of those commentators happen to work for CNN, NBC, ABC, or CBS?
I have broken more Elton John records, he seems to have a lot of records. And I, by the way, I don’t have a musical instrument. I don’t have a guitar or an organ. No organ. Elton has an organ. And lots of other people helping. No we’ve broken a lot of records. We’ve broken virtually every record. Because you know, look I only need this space. They need much more room. For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don’t need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.
Nox wrote: » Point 1 … correct about font size … happens when you c/p from a post on this board … incorrect about my c/p concerning what I have to say … all my words are my own. Point 2 … you said it yourself with these words " I honestly, genuinely cannot think of one single thing that he has done that I would give him credit for." (since I cannot yet see what comes out on the board, I think you should notice a font size change) Any response will be labeled as 'talking points' … which by the way is exactly how I feel about many of the anti posts here.
Wanderer78 wrote: » Igotadose wrote: Job growth down in June: Some American commentators are saying the real unemployment figures are as much as 20%, which I find hard to believe, but who knows
Igotadose wrote: Job growth down in June:
Nox wrote: » Does the word 'incite' mean anything?
Captain Obvious wrote: » Well the good news for all the unemployed pure bred Americans is that Trump is throwing foreigners out of the armed services so they'll be able to join up instead.
Itssoeasy wrote: » Nox wrote: » Plenty of disputed claims of President Donald J Trump rally attendance. I found it quite amusing that one of the listed 'sources' was from January 2017. And there have been multiple examples of the crowd being scanned. Something tells me that the sheer absence of 'fact check' articles about the crowds outside the speech venues speaks volumes. And as far as the 'hate speech' …. stirring up a crowd with venom to incite actions hardly qualifies for title of 'free speech'. And for the third time I must repeat myself in response to many of the previous comments … "still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest …" Crowd size means nothing to how good a leader he is Nox and well you know it. How you seemingly willingly support this guy when it has been proven he has none of even the basic qualities to be even a basic world leader. Donald Trump will never be considered a good US President as even Nixon had some cop on about him.
Nox wrote: » Plenty of disputed claims of President Donald J Trump rally attendance. I found it quite amusing that one of the listed 'sources' was from January 2017. And there have been multiple examples of the crowd being scanned. Something tells me that the sheer absence of 'fact check' articles about the crowds outside the speech venues speaks volumes. And as far as the 'hate speech' …. stirring up a crowd with venom to incite actions hardly qualifies for title of 'free speech'. And for the third time I must repeat myself in response to many of the previous comments … "still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest …"
StringerBell wrote: » And that is what some politicians on the Dem side should blast with a megaphone, it doesn't matter if it's a true as the 40% figure Trump used in the election. Fight fire with fire, it isn't ideal, but for my money there is a time to be idealistic and there is a time to be realistic. There needs to be checks put on this presidency. There has to be checks on every presidency and his own party which controls everything has shown zero appetite to do its job.
Captain Obvious wrote: » Nox wrote: » All of this blather about President Donald J Trump and yet not one poster has mentioned the size of the crowds he draws. Packed auditoriums with thousands waiting outside … everywhere he gives a speech. The hate speech given by the congressperson encouraging harassment had at most a couple dozen folks … all of whom were in the picture. If this is such a 'blue wave' …. where are the droplets (aka democrats/socialists). By hate speech are you referring to her telling people to stand up to corrupt liars in government?
Nox wrote: » All of this blather about President Donald J Trump and yet not one poster has mentioned the size of the crowds he draws. Packed auditoriums with thousands waiting outside … everywhere he gives a speech. The hate speech given by the congressperson encouraging harassment had at most a couple dozen folks … all of whom were in the picture. If this is such a 'blue wave' …. where are the droplets (aka democrats/socialists).
looksee wrote: » Nox wrote: » Maybe someone could point out a post here where the President Donald J Trump haters gave him credit. [/size][/color] Two points - 1. why do you keep changing font and font size randomly if it is not c/p? 2. ref the above quote, why should there be posts giving him credit? I honestly, genuinely cannot think of one single thing that he has done that I would give him credit for. Any 'successes' are either spins based on his own lies, or possibly total coincidence, though to be honest I can't actually think of any fortuitous coincidences, only lies and spin. You can't even claim that he is, even by his own standards, really trying to make a success of being a president - he would need to act like a reasonably responsible adult to do that - you know, the ordinary things, do a day's work, not play golf at times when he should be working, construct coherent sentences, give a small bit of thought to what he is saying, even tell the truth about little things, so we might be persuaded to believe the bigger lies. He is not even a competent fool.
Nox wrote: » Maybe someone could point out a post here where the President Donald J Trump haters gave him credit. [/size][/color]
Wanderer78 wrote: » Some American commentators are saying the real unemployment figures are as much as 20%, which I find hard to believe, but who knows
Nox wrote: » Just for the record … all of my answers and/or statements are my own words. It is insulting to ask "Where did you copy and paste that from ?" I know that my support for President Donald J Trump is something several posters here dislike, but … that's the way it is. I have been asked to defend actions/statements/decisions of the POTUS … an impossible task … just as it is impossible to change individual beliefs. Now, do I condone each and everything the POTUS does? No. But then reading the postings here … several posters hate everything he does. I don't seem to recall too many folks giving credit where credit is due … example … the opposition party screamed about DACA. The POTUS did something. The opposition screamed about that … and offered no solution. The purpose was to only scream. Maybe someone could point out a post here where the President Donald J Trump haters gave him credit. Yes, I do say what I want to say … but disregarding the truth? Hardly.
