archer22 wrote: » There are always going to be some that get through the net...but trying to put the blame for that atrocity on the security forces is a bit much. I don't think if those terrorists defence in court was "its not our fault they should have stopped us"that that defence would have stood up!!. The blame belongs solely where it lies
DONTMATTER wrote: » I told you the reason that the scumbags who carried it out had for doing it. Where did I put the blame on the security forces? I'm just wondering why they didn't stop it and what was their reason for not stopping it? They knew about it, they could have stopped it but didn't.
archer22 wrote: » At the end of the day the security forces are the real unsung heroes...by the latter stages of the conflict they had both the republicans and loyalists so infiltrated that either side could rarely carry out a successful attack and even if they did they were quickly arrested. The amount of lives and property those brave men and women saved is incalculable ...and it is work they quietly continue doing to this day. Total anarchy and chaos would have been the order of the day without them...its thanks to them that civilisation now prevails.
robindch wrote: » The IRA and their fellow terrorists took everybody's inbuilt pride in their country and perverted it into a chauvanistic nationalism which hated everybody else to the extent that they felt justified in murdering anybody they wanted to, including people who happened to be unlucky enough to get in the way:
robindch wrote: » Because they lacked the public support and the private bravery to stand up and fight as men, they instead fought as the cowards they were.
maccored wrote: » at the time, the RUC were complaining that peace would take away their extra 'danger money' pay and the proposed reduction in staff numbers. They also herded everyone to an area of Market street that has large buildings on each side - and not the bus depot where they used to ALWAYS send people during bomb scares. I think some people in the RUC knew more than they were/are willing to admit
archer22 wrote: » You seem to suggesting that they wanted it to happen I don't know the full details of this case and seemingly neither do you. But wasn't there something about the warning the terrorist phoned in being for the wrong street?
umop episdn wrote: » For someone who said they didn't want to debate it....
“On 4 August 1998, eleven days before the bombing, the RUC received an anonymous telephone call warning that there would be an ‘unspecified’ terrorist attack on police in Omagh on 15 August 1998.” However “Special Branch took only limited action on the information received…and a threat warning was not sent to the Sub-Divisional Commander Omagh, as required by a Force Order.”
maccored wrote: » im not debating - just stating fact from the Ombudsman report in 2001:
umop episdn wrote: » Had nothing to do with your previous post.
maccored wrote: » which means I wasn't debating anything, since the two posts arent related. whats your point here? theres lots of info on this - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7606834.stm ... monitoring phone calls for example. nevermind the informants who passed on information that was ignored and in some cases, deleted
umop episdn wrote: » And still nothing to do with your original post....scattergun approach eh?
maccored wrote: » eh? my first post was about supporting the IRA. this is about how dodgy the RUC are. whats this - scatterbrain approach, eh?
umop episdn wrote: » Scattergun.... but...yeah your posts do seem a bit scatterbrained alright, I'll grant you that
archer22 wrote: » Except that(...........) for half savages.
maccored wrote: » right, i get you. You haven't any point to make. well done.
umop episdn wrote: » Normal paramilitary practice...murder the innocents...and look to blame the police force for the death toll...
DONTMATTER wrote: » I want to know the reason, you said that the security forces had infiltrated loyalists and republicans. They also knew about this bomb and were tracking it. Surely these heroes should have put a stop to it? The families of the victims are asking questions on this also. They're not getting much of a response. The heroes you paint them to be is a false image.
DONTMATTER wrote: » Apart from the other murders committed by the security forces, they have blood on their hands in this case also.
umop episdn wrote: » Whataboutery eh? Paramilitarys blaming everyone else for their murderous ways
bobbysands81 wrote: » The atrocity wasn’t their fault, it was solely the fault of the people who planted the bomb. However, there is plenty of evidence out there that suggests that the Brits knew about the bomb, knew where it was and herded British security forces away from where the bomb was planted when it went off. Surely these are all legitimate questions? Or to put it another way... who benefitted and who lost from this bomb going off and so many innocent people dying. Republicans were never into mass innocent lives being lost as they needed the support of their community. The most logical conclusion is that some British security personnel absolutely knew about this bomb and exactly where it was planted and when it would go off... If they had stopped it innocent lives would have been saved.
maccored wrote: » yeah, they were lovely people the RUC. Really classy. I used to love how they used to search me in the middle of the street, taking out my personal belongings, throwing them on the ground, having a laugh at anything they found - like personal letters or notes etc. yeah, they were great. especially in the orange bloackades when they used to watch the loyalists throwing stones at cars etc and do nothing. Or how about the time they watched a fella getting beaten to death - lovely lads altogether. People flocked to the IRA just to get a crack at them. I suppose you cant differentiate between the realIRA and the PIRA (which is what most people refer to when they say the 'IRA') either.
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » It was a war?? There was collusion, the British government used whatever means it thought to protect itself. Which is utterly disgraceful but the other side were at it too. It’s not that hard to understand, I don’t get why people think it’s a shock.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I think it is safe to say that posters who have openly advocated for random slaughter and executions of nationalists would have no problem with the British colluding in deaths.
