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Donegal GAA Discussion Thread

harpsman

Thought I d throw this up see if theres any interest.
Opinions on new backroom team,reasons for departure of old one, McGuinness claim that his players had 9 games in 11 weeks during championship season, possible new players or anything else!!

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Minister Boyce

Redsoxfan wrote: »

We did well without him....

Therein lies an important fact.

In 2012, with the exception of M Murphy missing the Prelim Round Game v Cavan after a knee operation (he missed the final Leage Relegation match v Armagh in Ballybofey also), we had a full, fit and healthy squad for the rest of that year. This is where McBrearty's injury is such a hugh blow.

Redsoxfan

Nidgeweasel wrote:

Itâ€™d be on a par with losing Karl in 2012 I think.

We did well without him....

North of 32

I would have said that Donegal are nailed on for 2nd place, but there's 2 questions which concern me:

How will the team play without McBrearty?
How motivated will they be after winning Ulster?

If your aspiration is to make an all Ireland final then you need to believe that you're capable of getting there. Without motivation there is no belief which is what concerns me.

raiders11

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Roscommon in the Hyde will be very tough as will that shower in Ballybofey.

I’ve written off the Dublin game already. I’d have been fairly confient or a semi final and even a final appearance but without McBrearty I just think we are too short up front - even with the spread of scorers we now have he is so important to the whole thing. It’d be on a par with losing Karl in 2012 I think.

Hoping its Armagh and not the Rossies.

Would fancy beating Armagh away and beating Tyrone well at home..

I would be thinking Tyrone should be a tired team by the time they play us, so many weeks on the road and hopefully 2 bruising encounters v Armagh(seem hate each other) and the Dubs in Omagh.

Bonniedog

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

The thing is Nidge, this was voted on last year - that was the time to object. This is very different to the Kildare situation as there the rules clearly stated home advantage was due to Kildare. Here the rules clearly state that the first round is Croke Park and then each team has one home and one away in the further rounds.
Any delegate voting on this who did not see that this meant Dublin would have 2 home games would need to really be asked what they thought they were voting on!

As Dub, I am fully aware that we have advantage having two games in CP. That does need to be changed, but as you say, that is for Congress to decide.

Have been at games all over the country and Clones in the sun against yourselves would be great day. Unlikely to happen this year.

Apart from that, the new structure is working out well. Getting very interesting now, but still fancy ourselves, yourselves, Kerry and Galway to reach the semis, as they would if it had been straight knock out. Tyrone and maybe Monaghan only likely ones to upset that.

Dublin/Donegal final!

Nidgeweasel

Roscommon in the Hyde will be very tough as will that shower in Ballybofey.

I’ve written off the Dublin game already. I’d have been fairly confient or a semi final and even a final appearance but without McBrearty I just think we are too short up front - even with the spread of scorers we now have he is so important to the whole thing. It’d be on a par with losing Karl in 2012 I think.

squareball1988

A reasonable Super 8s draw. A litmus test of our credentials; a chance to prove ourselves to be the best in Ulster again (put to bed the "easy side of the draw" argument); and all with a realistic chance of making it to a Semi Final.

However, without Paddy, while possible, won't be as straightforward.

Ceist_Beag

The thing is Nidge, this was voted on last year - that was the time to object. This is very different to the Kildare situation as there the rules clearly stated home advantage was due to Kildare. Here the rules clearly state that the first round is Croke Park and then each team has one home and one away in the further rounds.
Any delegate voting on this who did not see that this meant Dublin would have 2 home games would need to really be asked what they thought they were voting on!

Nidgeweasel

harpsman wrote: »

Was saying the same myself about Cavan. Couldn’t think of any reason they would choose Croke Park over Brewster.

You’re right. It is a bit late to be whinging about the Croke Park thing now when it was agreed on a year ago

That’s the sort of attitude that leads to these things becoming the norm.

Dublin playing 2 games at home is unfair. We should be pressing very hard to have that rectified. It’d be no harm for the championship either having a big game like that down the country.

harpsman

Bonniedog wrote: »

I doubt there is conspiracy, but I do recognise the disparity between Dublin and others in regard to Croke Park. It is of course an advantage to Dublin. anyone denies that is talking through their behind.

It is GAA pushing this, not Dublin. We'd far prefer if it came down to it to play all home games in Donnycarney. Glad to see that Gilroy has established that point with the hurlers.

If this new structure is maintained - and I think it is a good one - then issues like venues should be sorted out, But that's down to other counties' delegates to Congress. All of whom were happy to go along with the format for the 8s until it might mean their own county might be playing Dublin in Croke Park.

Just look at the idiocy of the Cavan County Board. Preferred to play Tyrone in CP where they would have arse handed to them on a plate than Enniskillen, where they were in with a shout to the end.

These are the people who make the decisions.

Was saying the same myself about Cavan. Couldn’t think of any reason they would choose Croke Park over Brewster.

You’re right. It is a bit late to be whinging about the Croke Park thing now when it was agreed on a year ago

Nidgeweasel

Can’t be losing to that shower at home.

henke

Very good draw. I can't see anything but 3 from 3 for the Dubs. They tanked Tyrone last year and even it might be a closer in a group match I don't see Tyrone beating them. Roscommon/Armagh away game essential to win and we will be hard beat in Ballybofey.

doc_17

So, away to Dublin, away to Roscommon and then home to Tyrone. Could be a rumble on the final day. Say we lose awaybto Dubs amd Rossies, (negative I know) and Tyron beat Rossies on Day 1.m then we could be looking at Dubs on 4 against Rossies, Rossies on 2, Tyrone on 2 against Donegal on 0!!

In that event the provicincial winners should go through ðŸ˜œ

Ceist_Beag

And Throne v Dublin in Omagh in round 2. While it would be lovely if we were hosting Throne knowing we were virtually through already, I'd gladly settle for a winner take all match at home!

Also, there is a chance it could be Tyrone on two wins, ourselves and Dublin on 1 win each come the last round, meaning all 3 teams could finish level - not that I'm looking for such a dramatic final day of course!

downthemiddle

harpsman wrote: »

I hope Armagh draw Roscommon

Any lotto numbers??

Redsoxfan

Great draw

We will play Roscommon or Armagh away

And then Throne in Ballybofey on the August Bank Holiday weekend.

Bring it on.

Bonniedog

Don't mean to be all anti Cavan, but you are correct.

Firstly, what possessed them to renovate their home ground in the middle of the championship!

When I asked some of them said it was because of novelty of playing in Croke Park!

Probably shows the low expectations they have.

Fairest system for 8s would be one home, one away and a neutral venue, If counties agree that should be Croke Park then fair enough, but it ought not be mandatory. Most games other than the big beasts be easily accommodated in5/6 other grounds.

I can certainly see where Donegal are coming from with regard to our first game. Should be interesting as always, no matter where it is.

Oiche, nó Maidin mhaith!

charlie14

Bonniedog wrote: »

Just look at the idiocy of the Cavan County Board. Preferred to play Tyrone in CP where they would have arse handed to them on a plate than Enniskillen, where they were in with a shout to the end.

These are the people who make the decisions.

The only reason Cavan were listed to play in Croke Park was, because unlike Kildare, they hadn`t the guts to stand up to the big boys in Croke Park.
When the draw was made, because Breffini was unavailable, they nominated Enniskillen.
That was then changed to Croke Park as part of a double header with Kildare/Mayo

charlie14

Stoner wrote: »

I read that Cavan nominated CP as the alternative ground.
I read it more than once but I'm not going to try to dig it up.
Maybe Cavan nominated Brewster as their home and CP as the ALT

Cavan couldn`t use their home pitch because of the work going on there and informed Croke Park last Monday when the draw was made that they would play it in Enniskillen.
It was change after some "persuasion" from Croke Park to play it in Croke Park in a double header with Kildare/Mayo.

Bonniedog

harpsman wrote: »

Still unfair, not just because one team gets 2 home games and one 2 away games, but that the Ulster champions have to play have to play their 2 away games,including one against Dublin first.

Whereas Roscommon/qualifier play Cork/qualifier 1st game at Croke Park followed by Donegal at home, before playing Dublin at Croke Park.

If one were paranoid one might think that they wanted the Ulster champions out.

The provincial champions should either get a home game 1st or play a qualifier in Croke Park first.

I doubt there is conspiracy, but I do recognise the disparity between Dublin and others in regard to Croke Park. It is of course an advantage to Dublin. anyone denies that is talking through their behind.

It is GAA pushing this, not Dublin. We'd far prefer if it came down to it to play all home games in Donnycarney. Glad to see that Gilroy has established that point with the hurlers.

If this new structure is maintained - and I think it is a good one - then issues like venues should be sorted out, But that's down to other counties' delegates to Congress. All of whom were happy to go along with the format for the 8s until it might mean their own county might be playing Dublin in Croke Park.

Just look at the idiocy of the Cavan County Board. Preferred to play Tyrone in CP where they would have arse handed to them on a plate than Enniskillen, where they were in with a shout to the end.

These are the people who make the decisions.

harpsman

I hope Armagh draw Roscommon

harpsman

Bonniedog wrote: »

It is not a neutral venue. First four games were to be played in Croke park. Just as quarter finals have been since God was a boy.

If you want to whinge about it, perhaps contact your delegate. They voted for it

Still unfair, not just because one team gets 2 home games and one 2 away games, but that the Ulster champions have to play have to play their 2 away games,including one against Dublin first.

Whereas Roscommon/qualifier play Cork/qualifier 1st game at Croke Park followed by Donegal at home, before playing Dublin at Croke Park.

If one were paranoid one might think that they wanted the Ulster champions out.

The provincial champions should either get a home game 1st or play a qualifier in Croke Park first.

Stoner

charlie14 wrote:

Cavan nominated Brewster Park because Breffni wasn`t available because of work being carried out there. No such problem with Parnell Park faik.

I read that Cavan nominated CP as the alternative ground.
I read it more than once but I'm not going to try to dig it up.
Maybe Cavan nominated Brewster as their home and CP as the ALT

Bonniedog

charlie14 wrote: »

Delegates voted on a round robin series of three games.
One as you say, in Croke Park, one at home and one away.
I don`t recall them voting to hand over the GAA national stadium to Dublin as their home ground though.

Not of Dublin's making. I be proposing that from now on we play all our home games in Parnell. As we are entitled to. Parnell Pass and Dublin season tickets more than cover that, and rarely if ever beaten there

Rest of country and Summer Dubs can watch on TV.

Minister Boyce

Slightly off topic, but the Mayo obituary on the The Sunday Game is a little bit cheesy; even threw in a musical montage of all their defeats over the years. Christ almighty.

charlie14

Stoner wrote: »

True, but I assume Dublin name Parnell Park as the home ground and CP as the alternative. As Cavan did recently, and Kildare refused to

Cavan nominated Brewster Park because Breffni wasn`t available because of work being carried out there.
No such problem with Parnell Park faik.

Stoner

charlie14 wrote:

Delegates voted on a round robin series of three games. One as you say, in Croke Park, one at home and one away. I don`t recall them voting to hand over the GAA national stadium to Dublin as their home ground though.

True, but I assume Dublin name Parnell Park as the home ground and CP as the alternative. As Cavan did recently, and Kildare refused to

charlie14

Bonniedog wrote: »

It is not a neutral venue. First four games were to be played in Croke park. Just as quarter finals have been since God was a boy.

If you want to whinge about it, perhaps contact your delegate. They voted for it

Delegates voted on a round robin series of three games.
One as you say, in Croke Park, one at home and one away.
I don`t recall them voting to hand over the GAA national stadium to Dublin as their home ground though.

Redsoxfan

threeball wrote:

Whatever about Monaghan I don't think ye have anything to fear in Tyrone. Another team living on borrowed time going by performances so far.

Throne in Omagh would take on a life of its own. Winning there without Paddy McBrearty would be a fine achievement for this team. They might be rabble, but they have our number lately. Important to start reversing that trend.

Would take Kildare or Roscommon away and Throne/Monaghan in Ballybofey the weekend of the August Bank Holiday please.

threeball

henke wrote: »

Even if thing's don't go all that well against Dublin if we could avoid Monaghan in Clones or Tyrone in Omagh you would have to give us a decent chance of a semi final. Although I'd say one of those scenarios could be likely enough.

Whatever about Monaghan I don't think ye have anything to fear in Tyrone. Another team living on borrowed time going by performances so far.